Copper Creek Cabins and Villas question

[anna08]

I might have just missed it, but the Poly thread made me think of this question - as the converted Wilderness Lodge rooms become villas under the new entity of Copper Creek - will there be 1 and 2 BR villas? Poly is fun but would never buy points there because of no 1 BR villas and normal 2 BR villas (not a gazillion points.)

Has there been any rumor of a finish date for the construction? Beginning sales or model showing date?

What section of the Lodge is being converted and how many villas will there be?

Sorry if this is all been discussed before, it's been a long winter.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

as the converted Wilderness Lodge rooms become villas under the new entity of Copper Creek - will there be 1 and 2 BR villas

It is a mystery. Very little about the project has been revealed, likely due to timeshare disclosure rules. They haven't met the threshold to talk about such things. That said, I think everyone believes there will be, because Poly's been awkward.

Has there been any rumor of a finish date for the construction?

Permits go through 2018.

Beginning sales or model showing date?

Nope.

What section of the Lodge is being converted and how many villas will there be?

The South Wing of the Lodge. How many villas will be there is a mystery. Site plans have 25 waterfront cabins, so that number is known.

 

[anna08]

Thanks! The studio/bungalow only option I guess is less of a "problem" as one can always stay at the old Wilderness Lodge villas. We just really really missed the kitchen and in-villa laundry when we stayed at Poly - enough that it thoroughly convinced us not to add on points there. I find it interesting how DVC marketing thinks and plans so I guess I'll have to be patient to hear the details.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Thanks! The studio/bungalow only option I guess is less of a "problem" as one can always stay at the old Wilderness Lodge villas.

Not necessarily. C3V is going to be a new property, with a RTU in the 2060s sometime. VWL is a fully-sold property with a 2042 RTU. Those who buy at C3V will have 7-month priority at VWL, so there's no "can always stay," just as there's not with any 7-month option. New owners at C3V will not have 11-month booking at VWL. They are entirely separate properties under condo rules/timeshare law.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I might have just missed it, but the Poly thread made me think of this question - as the converted Wilderness Lodge rooms become villas under the new entity of Copper Creek - will there be 1 and 2 BR villas? Poly is fun but would never buy points there because of no 1 BR villas and normal 2 BR villas (not a gazillion points.)

Has there been any rumor of a finish date for the construction? Beginning sales or model showing date?

What section of the Lodge is being converted and how many villas will there be?

Sorry if this is all been discussed before, it's been a long winter.

There's been one or two reports of talking to WL CM's and workers from the model rooms that indicate there will be larger villas as well as 1 or 2 investigative guests who felt they saw changes that indicated larger villas. And other reports that DVC learned their lesson with PVB. But, we won't know for certain until someone gets in and sees them or DVC makes the announcement. It'll be another big disappointment IMO if they only have studios again. The cabins are likely to be pricey and aren't the option to provide larger accommodations.

 

[sleepydog25]

I'm one of those "1 or 2 investigative guests," I suspect. We were there in late February, and we were promised (and given) three FPs each simply for taking a tour of the PVB bungalow and studio models. While we were speaking with our guide, the conversation drifted to the new build at VWL, so I specifically asked him whether the new suites going into the south wing of the WL would include 1 and 2 BR villas. His response: "DVC learned their lesson with only building studios here at PVB," and smiled. That is far from a confirmation, obviously, but certainly it supports the prevailing theory that there will be more than just studios when VWL 2 opens. As others have mentioned, the south wing is entirely down right now, and that's where the new suites will be located. . .though again it can't be confirmed at this time. Construction end date? Based on PVB, I'd guess late 2017 at the earliest if not well into 2018. Again, it's all just speculation.

 

[DebbieB]

I had lunch today at Whispering Canyon. While walking from the boat dock, I noticed that the rooms on the south side appear to be completely gutted, you can see through to the other side. Plus the walkways above the lobby on that side are all boarded up. So it appears to be approximately half of the WL rooms (728 original rooms per all ears net). I can't imagine they would all be studios. Our table was along the lobby rail, there was a lot of construction noise. A lot depends on how fast they want to move. With Poly still for sale, I imagine they will take their time, a year would be reasonable.

 

[Dean Marino]

There's been one or two reports of talking to WL CM's and workers from the model rooms that indicate there will be larger villas as well as 1 or 2 investigative guests who felt they saw changes that indicated larger villas. And other reports that DVC learned their lesson with PVB. But, we won't know for certain until someone gets in and sees them or DVC makes the announcement. It'll be another big disappointment IMO if they only have studios again. The cabins are likely to be pricey and aren't the option to provide larger accommodations.

I can comment on this from observation - time frame April 25, staying at the VWL....
What we observed from our second floor balcony - clear view of South Wing demo....
EVERYTHING, including metal wall studs, duct work, bathtubs was being dumpstered into elevated buckets. Workers were clearly able to stroll "across" a floor with no barrier.
Personal conclusion - South wing totally GUTTED for reconfiguration. Just our opinion - but it appears that the south wing could become any combination of room layouts befitting a DVC property.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I'm one of those "1 or 2 investigative guests," I suspect. .

 

[tjkraz]

Personal conclusion - South wing totally GUTTED for reconfiguration. Just our opinion - but it appears that the south wing could become any combination of room layouts befitting a DVC property.

The Polynesian longhouses were gutted too, only to re-emerge as exclusively studios. Still, it seems foolish to repeat the same mistake again.

 

[Paula Sedley-Burke]

I can't wait for the new offerings at this resort. We stayed there at Christmas. Fell in love with the place. I hope they do build a variety of rooms. I wonder if they will do a current member add on price?

Have they run out of space to build more at the Poly I wonder? Add some 1 and 2 beds.

 

[sleepydog25]

 

[_auroraborealis_]

I can't wait for the new offerings at this resort. We stayed there at Christmas. Fell in love with the place. I hope they do build a variety of rooms. I wonder if they will do a current member add on price?

Have they run out of space to build more at the Poly I wonder? Add some 1 and 2 beds.

They really don't have more build space at Poly, and they took over the most logical longhouses already. I think the other longhouses might be harder to gut. No mistake that they took the three newest, which were built slightly differently than the originals.

 

[CMNJ]

They really don't have more build space at Poly, and they took over the most logical longhouses already. I think the other longhouses might be harder to gut. No mistake that they took the three newest, which were built slightly differently than the originals.

I have no direct knowledge but Tikiman had made some posts last year that there may be large units coming to PVB in the future (as in a phase 2 of the resort)-obviously this could totally have changed but I guess there were rumours floating around about that previously.

 

[tjkraz]

Have they run out of space to build more at the Poly I wonder? Add some 1 and 2 beds.

Before the Poly plans were finalized, Disney did consider an option that would have included one or two new buildings. One of them would have been further down the shore near luau cove. May have even necessitated moving the luau. I think bungalows ended up occupying some of the space that was considered for the other building.

No idea if Disney would ever re-consider. I'm sure they have lost sales due to the studio-only configuration. But any change of heart wouldn't impact what they are selling today. Poly may be selling slower due to lack of 1 and 2 bedroom villas, but it will still be sold out before DVC could build and open a new facility at the Poly with larger rooms.

WDW is still drawing significant crowds but hotel guests are gravitating toward the cheaper rooms--particularly thing like the Art of Animation suites. Escalating prices have driven-down demand for Deluxe hotel rooms. Disney appears content to address the lower demand by converting hotel rooms to DVC. It's certainly cheaper than building new.

 

[Savagekids]

I'm excited to see what's coming next. If I can talk husband into it, I'm tempted to add a few points at C3V, maybe even buy direct - something I've never done.

 

[CMNJ]

Before the Poly plans were finalized, Disney did consider an option that would have included one or two new buildings. One of them would have been further down the shore near luau cove. May have even necessitated moving the luau. I think bungalows ended up occupying some of the space that was considered for the other building.

No idea if Disney would ever re-consider. I'm sure they have lost sales due to the studio-only configuration. But any change of heart wouldn't impact what they are selling today. Poly may be selling slower due to lack of 1 and 2 bedroom villas, but it will still be sold out before DVC could build and open a new facility at the Poly with larger rooms.

WDW is still drawing significant crowds but hotel guests are gravitating toward the cheaper rooms--particularly thing like the Art of Animation suites. Escalating prices have driven-down demand for Deluxe hotel rooms. Disney appears content to address the lower demand by converting hotel rooms to DVC. It's certainly cheaper than building new.

I remembered seeing a quote from Tikiman from a few months ago-I copied and pasted it here rather than linking to it because I beleive the website it is on is blocked (but I assume this is ok because there is no reference in the quote to the blocked site)-
Tikiman said "So originally the plan for phase one was to build a new building over where Luau cove is now along with the bungalow construction. They were going to move the Spirit of Aloha show inside somewhere new. The next phase would have been working on Moorea and replacing Pago Pago with a T shaped longhouse. They were never going to convert Tokelau (that was a total last minute decision after they already started working on Moorea and Pago Pago. They were going to add an additional pool but cuts came to the idea and we have what we see now.

I have seen official evidence to support an expansion and every rumor I have read is nowhere near what I saw as a concept for the next phase but unfortunately I can’t share what I saw at this point. It was being considered to start in a few years but as with all things Disney we won’t know if they are still going to do that until we see them break ground. I will say that what I saw still fits inside the original footprint of the resort and was not moving outside that area but not in any of the ways I have seen others talk about."
This was a post from the end of Feb 2016 so who knows..maybe they will build more at the Poly after Wilderness Lodge? Or maybe they will move onto a new project?

 

[_auroraborealis_]

I would suspect that IF they build any more at Poly, like C3V, it's a separate condo association from Poly Classic. It's fairly complex just to slap a few new buildings into an existing timeshare association.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I would suspect that IF they build any more at Poly, like C3V, it's a separate condo association from Poly Classic. It's fairly complex just to slap a few new buildings into an existing timeshare association.

If they were to build and be within 5 years, maybe even 10, I believe it would just be an addition on to the resort and not separate. OKW started with 50 years but everything after that up until SSR was less and although that was likely because they were thinking it would all end in 2042 it's still a precedent they can fall back on.

 

[CMNJ]

I would suspect that IF they build any more at Poly, like C3V, it's a separate condo association from Poly Classic. It's fairly complex just to slap a few new buildings into an existing timeshare association.

Definitely possible but I would think they (and their army of lawyers) could figure out a way they wanted to make it part of the original association if they so desire. I could be mistaken but weren't the Tree House villas an addition to SSR (or were they always in the original association documents)? C3V really had to be its own association because of the dramatic difference in expiration dates. It would rather hard for DVD to sell units that expire in 2042 and the obviously want to inflate the points as they have done for years.