Copper Creek Availability - Buying to and Excited/Nervous!

Superman1011

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Hi all...getting started in this DVC adventure. Long time beneficiary of my parents Beach Club purchase and I've recently agreed to buy-in at CC. I was wondering if the horror stories of booking studios is true or does it simply take a bit of perseverance and 8:00 am savvy to get a room. Typical stay would be 4-5 nights, but would like the opportunity to go during all seasons, low or high (October, Thanksgiving, early December, Spring, etc). Any advice is appreciated. Currently buying only 75 points but have the opportunity for another 75.
 
Well, somone has to get the rooms...... ;)

It seems to be uniquely tight in availability compared to other locations. It's also new and difficul to say if it will settle in a bit or possibly become even more difficult if that's possible. Since it sounds like you have lots of flexibility that makes for the best type of owner to by trying to get difficult to book rooms. If I absolutely loved it there and had a ton of flexibility I'd probably give it a try knowing that it might require a bit of time at the computer. If I was absolutely fixed on the times I could go then I would not. If you had a stay that was 6-7 nights in length I'd probably recommend a fixed week for a time that you really liked to visit and then in years you wanted to try a different time you could cancel it and book a different time.

edit - guess I should have said if you were buying direct to look at a fixed week but I see in another thread that you are buying resale!
 
Thank you for the insight! I’m overall very flexible. Just want to have regular additional trips booked. Hoping it settles a bit when it’s no longer new and original contract buyers want to try other resorts. Who knows maybe even Riviera will alleviate availability?
 
Who knows maybe even Riviera will alleviate availability?
Generally this wouldn't happen on a blanket case because more points means more owners equal to the points. Though there are some things that can help such as lockoff premium (when a 2 bedroom LO is split to a studio and 1 bedroom it costs more points than the 2 bedroom but the total points are sold on booking as a 2 bed) and the final thing is that points are sold for booking a resort 51/52 weeks of the year so there is some excess being pushed into the system, but some of that excess capacity goes towards maintenance downtime. So it will help increase capacity at the 7 month window to a degree.

Though if flexible on times and willing to go to a different resort if you can't get CCV during summer to mid September and late Spring you generally will have a lot of choices at the other properties (though remember resale points can't book DRR or forward). Generally PVB is very open, I got VGF for 4th July this year for 5 nights. Your hardest locations at 7 month is BCV, CCV and VGF on an entire year basis.
 

Thanks for the note. I guess what makes it most difficult for me is the “if I can’t get my home resort then why bother paying the CC points premium in the 140 range, vs buying a SSR resale and then using those points anywhere available at 7 months”. I’m really not picky and love PVB, VGF, SSR, OKW, BW. The availability info really helps!

Ultimately I need to make peace with what I want and decide if the CC resale premium (obviously I’m getting a longer contract but I’ll be 86 when it expires!!) is worth the chance to stay there when available. In reality, the 75 points is such a tiny contract that the premium in absolute dollars really is small ($2500).

Well, I think I just made up my mind. Starting to love this community!!!
 
Hoping it settles a bit when it’s no longer new and original contract buyers want to try other resorts.

I will say I would not expect pressure to alleviate in fall for a long time, if ever, unless Disney rebalance the seasons somehow. The challenge with fall in "trying somewhere else" is there has to be somewhere else to switch to, and that's often not the case.
 
You can get studios but you need to be online and ready to go at 8 am at 11 months.

I’ve been able to get studios for all the dates I’ve wanted. It is a major challenge compared to the other resorts though.

I purchased mainly for 2 bedrooms and the occasional studio. If I was only looking for studios, I’d buy elsewhere.
 
Sounds as if you've made up your mind, and best wishes going forward. I will add that I don't believe it will ever get easier to book a studio at CC during peak times, mostly because you're up against a huge pool of buyers who were swayed by the vision of being able to stay at the CC cabins only to realize that few can afford the cabin rates unless they bought a bazillion points or they banked/borrowed and only went every three years. Those same buyers, who flooded the CC buy-in with visions of cabins dancing in their heads, instead use their points to compete with all the other CC buyers who only bought 75-150-200 points figuring they could get a studio easily at 11 months. As crvetter mentions, Riviera likely will not affect CC availability in the slightest--new rooms, new points, new owners. Disney might try rebalancing the points in the future, but they ran into a chainsaw of angry owners when they attempted to do that this year for 2020. Their rebalance slammed owners who wanted to book studios and 1BRs during the lower point seasons, and that didn't go over well at all. Whether an honest mistake or an attempt to recreate the point charts to benefit DVC, Disney soon changed the charts back to the 2019 levels. They might retry in the future to make much smaller adjustments, but I don't believe this change--if it happens--would do much to alleviate the issue CC owners face now in booking their home.
 
Be aware CCV is not sold out yet. Problems that might exist at 11 months out usually do not reach full force until at least a year to two after sell-out. Before sell-out, you can start to see the problem and see it continuously increase, but if there is a problem you should assume it will only get worse after sell-out.

Based on what I have been seeing in reservation patterns for CCV beginning last year and into this year, it appears that CCV studios will likely end up with at least the same 11-month reservation problems as BWV standard view studios, which disappear fast right at 8 a.m. at 11-months out most times for reservations between late Sep and marathon weekend in Jan, and the same about 35% of the time during the rest of the year, and might even eventually approach the reservation problem level for AKV value studios, which also usually disappear right at 8 a.m. during most of that late Sep to marathon weekend in Jan period, and then do the same about 65% of the time the rest of the year. If that occurs, there will be no "good" tricks to get a reservation.

Getting a reservation at exactly 11 months out will often simply depend on whether your computer communicates with Disney's faster than the computers of others at exactly 8 a.m. Many attempt "walking" their reservations, but the problem there is finding a date to begin a walk, and some are starting walks months before an intended date, and, of course, they have to keep continuously changing their reservation until they get the dates they want, meaning you have a lot of work to do over a long period to get the reservation you want. Sometimes if you stalk the website, you can pick up dates you want shortly after 11 months out because they become open again due to walkers passing by -- that has already actually occurred with CCV studios at 11 months out for a number of dates, but that can always fail.

Currently, I would advise any potential purchaser to avoid CCV if intent is to usually get studios.
 
Thanks all for the help. I keep waffling a bit but tentatively here is my gameplan. Sounds like it’s All about expectations and what I’m ok with.

1) Go through with the Loaded contract for CC at $145/pp.
2) Rent the 75 banked points to subsidize my purchase (I say that but I know I’ll end up using them!). Going to start a new thread to ask for feedback on the rent process and how worthwhile/easy it is.
3) Plan on 3-4 nights every other year in a 1BR for peak Thanksgiving season with banking and borrowing. My turn to give back to my parents and this will be my wife’s and my version of hosting Thanksgiving. Not maximizing my points at all but I’ll let my future contracts do that!
4) Be on the lookout for more opportunities at another home resort that meets our needs for studios and the non fall season trips. I’ll admit the PVB values are tempting! Especially in the 130 range
 
Thanks all for the help. I keep waffling a bit but tentatively here is my gameplan. Sounds like it’s All about expectations and what I’m ok with.

1) Go through with the Loaded contract for CC at $145/pp.
2) Rent the 75 banked points to subsidize my purchase (I say that but I know I’ll end up using them!). Going to start a new thread to ask for feedback on the rent process and how worthwhile/easy it is.
3) Plan on 3-4 nights every other year in a 1BR for peak Thanksgiving season with banking and borrowing. My turn to give back to my parents and this will be my wife’s and my version of hosting Thanksgiving. Not maximizing my points at all but I’ll let my future contracts do that!
4) Be on the lookout for more opportunities at another home resort that meets our needs for studios and the non fall season trips. I’ll admit the PVB values are tempting! Especially in the 130 range
Do you need to get the money from renting to put towards the purchase or else don't have a trip planned to use the points? If so then renting isn't too difficult. If not then I'd recommend using what you are buying! 😊
 
Buy your resale points at BRV instead of CCV. You still get the WL, but you have a better chance to get a studio if that is what you need. And the rooms are bigger.
 
This isn't scientific but I believe some unusual things are going on with CCV points that may work out over the next 2 years. My wife and I just bought points at CCV and we were given the points for this UY (which is almost over) without having to pay MF and some extra points got thrown in for use this year. As CCV sells out this may be going on with many others and this may mean that there are a lot of extra points in the system that have to work themselves out over time. Again, not scientific and maybe studios are always hard to get.
 
This isn't scientific but I believe some unusual things are going on with CCV points that may work out over the next 2 years. My wife and I just bought points at CCV and we were given the points for this UY (which is almost over) without having to pay MF and some extra points got thrown in for use this year. As CCV sells out this may be going on with many others and this may mean that there are a lot of extra points in the system that have to work themselves out over time. Again, not scientific and maybe studios are always hard to get.
DVC doesn't just give away points for free. You got the points for the 2018 UY that you were entitled to. You also got the 2019 UY points you are entitled to. You should check your paperwork because you probably did pay dues for the 2019 calendar year. Dues are paid on an annual basis. So next January you'll pay dues again regardless of when your UY starts. Studios at CCR will always be hard to get, especially at busy times because there are so many points sold to cover the cabins and larger villas that require a lot of points. DVC allows new members to buy smaller and smaller number of points to get into the system instead of requiring 225 or 160 like they did in the beginning. Mostly because new buyers can't afford to purchase 160 or 225 points at the price of points now. Once the price of a point exceeded $100 a point I'm sure they realized that new buyers couldn't afford as many as the older buyers could in the beginning.

I can get a studio at OKW for 10 points per night in early Dec or 21 for a one bedroom. The same time requires 15 points at CCV for a studio and 28 points for a one bedroom. So points cost more and require more per night as they add resorts. So new owners at CCV will always be trying to get studios there before they have to book a larger villa.
 
This isn't scientific but I believe some unusual things are going on with CCV points that may work out over the next 2 years. My wife and I just bought points at CCV and we were given the points for this UY (which is almost over) without having to pay MF and some extra points got thrown in for use this year. As CCV sells out this may be going on with many others and this may mean that there are a lot of extra points in the system that have to work themselves out over time. Again, not scientific and maybe studios are always hard to get.

You will get a bill for 2019 dues (prorated from your purchase date) around a month or so after you get your executed contract, keep checking the member site under "Dues". You will then get another bill for 2020 dues I believe sometime in Dec. and that payment, or at least the first installment will be due by January 15th. Don't confuse UY with calendar year, dues are charged by calendar year.

https://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/faq/annual-dues/statement-schedule/
 
Do you need to get the money from renting to put towards the purchase or else don't have a trip planned to use the points? If so then renting isn't too difficult. If not then I'd recommend using what you are buying! 😊

Don’t need the money....and yes I agree. We will end up going somewhere with them next year before they expire :)
 
Just from my own experience, we bought CCV in November of last year. I started planning an October 2019 trip about 10 months out so when I started there were no studios available. But within a couple of weeks of stalking I was able to piece together 8 nights in a studio (same kind). I guess I would say it is doable (at least it was for me) but may take a little extra work with CCV.
 















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