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Sleeping Jedi Beauty said:
Thanks for the descriptions on Spiderman. It sounds interesting. What does Hulk do?

He turns into a powerful green giant when under stress.

The Hulk is a steel Coaster that has an intense launch that heads into an inversion (one of many) at high speeds. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9216966206518580433 You can see a video there. Try and get the front. Its a widely discussed coaster that thrills lots of people!
 
Sleeping Jedi Beauty said:
Thanks for the descriptions on Spiderman. It sounds interesting. What does Hulk do?

Hulk is a very smooth (unlike Disney) rollercoaster that shoots you uphill through a 150 foot tunnel from 0 to 40 mph in two seconds and immediately inverts you. You then proceed to be turned upside down 6 more times.

The launch is very unlike RNR as is the smoothness of the coaster. That is another major difference between the coasters at Universal and Disney. Disney does not spend much on the actual coaster but a lot on the theming. Thus you get a jerky, headbanging ride. The major coasters at IOA are made by Bolliger and Mabillard (B&M) and they are superior to most coaster manufacturers!!! Intamin (who makes California Screamin) is the only other manufacturer that comes close.
 
Thanks. I thought Screamin' was a pretty smooth ride(although not much fun when the rain pelts you in the head when you're on the ride).
 
flatline said:
Universal's parks are not amusement parks. behind the US Disney parks, they're the second most visited theme parks on the planet. if you're offended by a commercial, you're already missing the point of Universal. open your mind.
Let me clarify something here that I should of made clear earlier. I know that Universal is a theme park. I used the word amusement parks as the ones that I've visited and enjoyed are definitely not themed whatsoever, so I was wondering why not liking one Universal commercial would make me miss the point of the park. I know it will be themed differently. My second favorite park in the world is EPCOT and its' themed very differently from other Disney parks.

From the description, Hulk sounds similar to RnR, only with more thrills throughout the ride.
 

Ok, first some history...

IOA was part of a major plan from Universal, the entire resort complex, hotels, CityWalk (like Pleasure Island/Downtown Disney) which was overall estimated to cost $2 billion.

The resort complex is actually very similar to DL's now with the layout of IOA/US and Citywalk within a central area, and hotels around them...it's extremely easy to walk between the parks and hotels, much like it is at DL.

Universal was able to find ex-imagineers that Disney had let go and let them go wild, even witih some of the concepts they had planned for parks like Animal Kingdom (Dueling Dragons, from many reports, started out as an AK attraction).

Univeral had a choice, they wanted to make a park that's better than Disney's parks for certain types of guests, but knew they couldn't do it by making just similar rides to Disney attractions, so they came up with the best of both worlds, making similar attractions yet in key ways different than Disney's offerings, plus also making world class rollercoasters for thrillseekers. They decided to go with the maximum amount of theming you can have, while still being able to deliver the types of thrills people vacationing in Orlando never had before.

There are 5 islands, each one with transitions, perfect theming, music and many, many small details throughout.

The Spiderman ride is totally unique as it combines a motion simulation ride (like Dinosaur/Indy at DL) with 3D images and real life set pieces and movements, the cars also are able to spin quickly, setting up for a very thrilling ride you can't find anywhere else. This was the crown jewel attraction for IOA and it remains the top of most people's list of the best ride in Florida.

The Incredible Hulk is techincally just a rollercoaster, but it was also one of the top rated coasters in the country when IOA opened. It's not due to height or speed records, it's due to a unique combination of elements that come at you so fast, you just want to have that rush over and over again!

Dueling Dragons are also "just" rollercoasters, but they didn't just put some metal gates up and call it themed, they built an entire castle, complete with merlin explaining why not to enter and the history of the fire and ice dragons, you see all kinds of theming elements throughout the many minutes it takes to walk through the castle to your choice of coasters. There are warnings inscribed on the walls, knights frozen and hanging from the ceilings, great beasts locked away behind massive chained doors, swords and shields, and skeletons, bones, skulls, the past victims litter the hallways and corridors.
3 times the coasters come within 12" of each other, something again unique to IOA.

More to come later....(Im tired of typing!)
 
Sleeping Jedi Beauty said:
Let me clarify something here that I should of made clear earlier. I know that Universal is a theme park. I used the word amusement parks as the ones that I've visited and enjoyed are definitely not themed whatsoever, so I was wondering why not liking one Universal commercial would make me miss the point of the park. I know it will be themed differently. My second favorite park in the world is EPCOT and its' themed very differently from other Disney parks.

From the description, Hulk sounds similar to RnR, only with more thrills throughout the ride.

there's been shots at Disney throughout the UO parks pretty much since they have opened. I've always found them to be funny and good-natured. UO's commercial campaign that was launched earlier this year is no different. Universal has dedicated itself to not be WDW.

that's the whole idea, 'a vacation from the ordinary'...'it's time for a better vacation'. there's no doubt WDW rules Orlando, the other parks have to differentiate themselves to attract visitors.

while it might not sit well with the red Kool-Aid crowd, it's squarely aimed at families with older kids. believe it or not, a lot of people grow up and out of WDW until it's time to take their own kids. so if something as playful as a commercial is going to get your underwear in a bunch, you might not be ready for Universal.
 
Sleeping Jedi Beauty said:
As a seasoned Disneyland veteran, I have an idea about how some Universal people may feel when they hear a park they love demeaned because it's not Disney as I've seen people demean Disneyland simply because it isn't WDW.

It sounds like MIB is similar to DL's Buzz ride(cords attached to the guns), only it's more challenging.

What makes Spiderman, The Mummy, and Hulk cool? What is it about the design and experience that sets them apart from say any coaster I could find at my local amusement park?

Oh, and I don't mind people saying what they like about US/IOA that Disney doesn't have(a bit of an edge as it were) as they are different experiences. I'm just looking for Universal's strengths. From what I've seen out of Universal in ads and their website, they seem to think their strength is that they aren't Disney. As I love Disney and think they're top notch, saying "we aren't Disney" doesn't convince me. So, please keep telling me why I should visit Universal the next time I visit Disney.

People demean DL for not being WDW? Whats wrong with those people. Give me DL over WDW ANYDAY!!! MK is a very, very, very weak park when put in comparison with DL. MK is stale and desperately needs some attention. DL gives you Indy, Matterhorn, CarToon Spin, and of course Mr. Toad (not to mention a vastly superior PotC). Even DCA gets a worse reputation than it deserves.

MIB is similar to buzz in that you ride on a track and shoot targets. Buzz on steroids is a good description.

I can't add anything new to anything said about Spiderman, but it is an amazing attraction.

Honestly, IOA is such a wonderfully themed and immersive park with some fantastic attractions. USF has some great attractions too.

I believe that everything should be tried once. If you don't like it, at least you gave it a chance (hopefully an unbiased chance), but honestly, the two Universal parks in FL are great experiences.
 
Sleeping Jedi Beauty said:
From the description, Hulk sounds similar to RnR, only with more thrills throughout the ride.

Hulk is outdoor and is bigger, longer, faster and much smoother. RnR only has 3 inversions where Hulk has 7.

Count me in as another one who likes DL and CA better than Disneyworld. I love California Screamin, Indie and the new Space Mountain!!!
 
AlexandNessa said:
Forget it. If you're not a gangsta, you won't like it. ;)

:rotfl: :rotfl2: :lmao: :laughing:



I guess my DD's and I better shop for some thug outfits so we can blend in this August. :teeth: :cool2:
 
Slacking said:
Even DCA gets a worse reputation than it deserves.

I disagree, I didn't like DCA at all, but unlike some others, Im not going to go on and on complaining about a park on the wrong board ;)
 
ChrisFL said:
I disagree, I didn't like DCA at all, but unlike some others, Im not going to go on and on complaining about a park on the wrong board ;)

Oh, its not a great park at all, but I don't think its as bad as most people say it is. It kept me entertained at least. But when I return back to DLR, most of my time will be spent in DL.
 
I have saved my favorite post made by DocBosch (who ocassionally posts here) He wrote an amazing analysis so forgive me for reposting his words but I couldn't have said it better myself.

"The point has been made that these two rivals have created quality theme park destinations, and each should be enjoyed as such. The problem is that the Disney fans’ biggest complaint with Universal (consciously or subconsciously, literally or symbolically) is that it’s “not Disney” (the same can be said when some people’s grievance with Disney parks is that “it’s Disney”).

When you have a strong fondness for something, you tend to hold that something as the highest standard. The mistake comes when you try to totally discount that other entity entirely, not even considering it on it’s own merits. Yes Universal is not “Disney”. But it is “Universal”, and that says a whole lot in terms of quality and excellence.

Someone tried to infer that those who favor Universal lack a sense of history, implying that Universal doesn’t have history. I think it’s time for a history lesson.

From the UniversalStudios.com history page:
“Universal's rich entertainment legacy can be traced back to 1906, when 39 year-old Bavarian immigrant Carl Laemmle opened his first nickelodeon theater in Chicago. From exhibiting short silent movies in one theater, Laemmle later moved to movie distribution and production.

On June 8, 1912, Laemmle first incorporated the name "Universal" when he formed the Universal Film Manufacturing Company in New York. In March 1914, [Laemmle purchased] a 230-acre ranch [in the Los Angeles area]. This site was to become "the entertainment center of the world" - Universal City.

On March 15, 1915 Carl Laemmle officially opened the gates of Universal City, the world's first self-contained community dedicated to making movies. Laemmle also began inviting visitors to Universal City to observe his movie making, establishing Universal's long-standing tradition of welcoming guests to enjoy the behind-the-scenes magic.”

Universal is responsible for some of the most memorable and iconic characters and films of the last 100 years of cinema. Carl Laemmle welcomed the first guest into Universal Studios a full 40 years before Disneyland. When the Universal Tour was reinstated in the mid 60s, it featured new immersive attractions that were obviously inspired by the Disney theme park philosophy. Much like Walt wanted Disneyland guests to enter his animated fairytales, Universal was allowing people to both experiences their favorite films and witness the process behind creating them. Still today this is the main difference between the two – different sides of the same coin.

Notice that the above blurb regarding Universal history ends with the word “magic”, which is what people claim Universal lacks. There’s an idea that the term “magic” is synonymous with the brand name Disney, when in reality, it should be that Disney, and anything else, should inspire “magic”. This is negated when it’s unquestionably accepted to such a degree that it’s even marketed in such a way.

The following is my reply to a “Disney vs. Universal” post at the Universal board that stated that Universal was a good enough place, a “cool” place, but that it just isn’t “magical”:

Universal was my favorite park as a young child, mainly due to the presence of Back To The Future and my affinity to movie making. To this day, the Universal logo in front of movies gets to me. My dream is for my first film to be a Universal picture.
Universal became the park I visited the most, and one of the things I got most attached to as a kid. USF is literally my favorite place on earth. It's a place where I can recall various thoughts and feelings from different parts of my life just by walking around. Disney was too big and popular for it to feel personal, but Universal to me was something special.

The night they closed Kongfrontation, I started questioning my attachment to Universal. I figured that Disney had its supposed "magic" and history, things that you’re allowed to value, but why did I have such strong feeling for Universal? They had just closed a classic attraction to replace it with a roller coaster. While Kong was iconic, the original ride was just meant to thrill, and when it stopped doing that, it would be replaced by a different movie's high tech ride. I wondered where the reminiscence was in that.

I walked around the USF lagoon at dusk for a bit, contemplating this, when I looked up at the view. I remembered the park as I used to see it as a kid. I remembered how it seemed huge, and how there was always something cool around the corner. I remembered being so impressed with the street facades, and the themeing within the rides. The first visit when I became completely and unreasonably upset that we had to leave, but when we returned soon after, I realized that this was a place I was going to be able to come back to constantly.

When I walked out of the park, I started to think about how there is so much more now then there was in my memories of my first visits. I tracked the expansion of the Universal property for over two years but I wondered if it had grown too much for me to genuinely care for it all. Then I looked over to the IOA skyline, with the lighthouse beaming and Hulk snaking all over the sky, and remembered how amazing it was. Then I looked at CityWalk, all lit up in the night, and remembered how amazing it was. And I remembered that the reason I liked Universal so much the first time was because it was so amazing.

The "nostalgia" of Universal isn't nostalgia at all, but innovation. Universal isn't about things staying the same forever, so we can relive our childhoods over and over again, but about things evolving and getting better, and getting 'cooler'. Disney is magical because of it's classic attractions, and the classic characters they are based on, while Universal's charm comes from it's ability to create spectacular things, regardless of the subject, that will amaze us.

Which is what makes my time at Universal magical.

What is “magical” is based on each person’s personal experience, not on corporate branding or group ideology. Universal is magical for me for what I said above. Disney is magical to me because of Walt and what he accomplished and the creativity and imagination he and those he worked with possessed.

My five-year-old nieces are sometimes excited about Mickey and Minnie and the Princesses, and sometimes it’s all about Cat in the Hat and ET and Sponge Bob. And contrary to marketing efforts, when they get to meet Cinderella, or get to drive a car, or get to spin around in a giant teacup, they’re not thinking, “This is so magical.” They’re thinking, “This is so cool!” And them having that degree of fun is what make’s it “magical” for me, whether it’s Disney or Universal.

After an amazing first trip to Orlando, my girlfriend and I couldn’t decide if we had a better time at Disney or Universal. Later I figured out why. Disney is this incredible, iconic place, much like Paris, that we got to experience and explore together. Universal is a place that’s personal to me that I got to share with her, and it was great to have a lot of thrilling fun there together. Both places were great and magical, but each for different reasons.

Some say Universal isn’t “magical” is because it doesn’t “transport you to a different world”, but that’s not Universal’s intention. The coolest thing about Universal is that it’s a real working motion picture studio. You’re not supposed to really believe you’re in New York, or Hollywood or a World’s Fair, but in a studio’s backlot reproductions. This has always been the most fascinating thing for me, to see how these cinematic illusions are created and how they work. While Disney parks are supposed to be a stage to perform on, Universal Studios is more like the behind-the-scenes peek. Islands of Adventure is their effort to create highly detailed, realistic “other worlds”, the Universal way.

That’s why it’s more acceptable to Universal to reference and even joke about Disney. I don’t see the new Universal commercial as an attack on Disney. Like I’ve said already, there are differences between the two places not related to quality or “magic”. All that Universal is doing is playing up that difference to attract those who want the difference. Universal is the hip, cool park, and it’s definitely post-modern in many ways, so it’s completely understandable for them to take such a jab at Disney, which they do all the time anyway.

The following is my reply to a Disney person complaining about the same thing, on the Universal board:

“I've heard jokes about Disney at Universal, but they've always been sly and innocent, and not really hateful in any way. Disney will always be bigger and more popular, so Universal, as the underdog, is allowed to poke fun at their "big brother".

Universal references to Disney usually range from jabs in the ribs (The Mystic Fountain asking a little girl "Who's that stupid looking cartoon rat on your shirt? Why does your hat have satellite dishes?”) to sarcastically comparative (After a gory effect in the Make-up Show: "I bet you won't see that at Disney!") to self detrimental (at the end of the Ghostbusters/Beetlejuice street show: "Ok, that’s it folks. There's no more show. There's no curtain. We don't have that kind of budget. We're not Disney!").

These types of jokes are especially funny to people who like Disney. I personally consider the Disney-esque signs and posters in the Shrek and MIB queues as both humorous and attributing. You didn't expect this, and found it off putting, because you’re used to Disney, and Disney doesn't do that at all. But you said it yourself, Universal is "hip", and it's hip to be witty and self aware.

Disney doesn't mention Universal at all, jokingly or not, and I wouldn't expect them to. Disney is too big. Disney's the establishment. They are above it. For Disney to mention Universal at all is to acknowledge Universal, and to acknowledge Universal, or anything outside the Disney World, is too un-Disney. To me, for Disney to make references to Universal or, say, Gator World, would completely take me out of the magical world of Disney.”

Somebody said that they didn’t like the idea of Universal attacking Disney with the ad, and that Disney would never do the same thing. But what about a Disney cast member berating me and putting down Universal because I was wearing a Universal shirt at a Disney park. Considering what Disney is supposed to stand for, I think it’s much worse for a cast member to verbally attack Universal, let alone even mention Universal inside a Disney park, then Universal having an advertising campaign that pokes fun at their competition."
 
flatline said:
Bev, please c&p this gem over onto the thread in the CB. :thumbsup2

OK, but I doubt many will read it because it's too long. They seem to like the two sentence posts that say: "I hate the commercial! Universal is a bunch of meanies!"
 
phamton said:
OK, but I doubt many will read it because it's too long. They seem to like the two sentence posts that say: "I hate the commercial! Universal is a bunch of meanies!"

My favorite is how they all say it's "in poor taste", "in poor taste", "in poor taste"...
 
The first time I rode the Hulk, I closed my eyes the whole time - and felt 'whooshy' for hours afterwards. I ate a whole bucket of Hulk (green) popcorn, a huge Diet Coke, a Churro, then a Lemon Ice (yum!). And, then I was sick.

The second time - I read on these boards, I believe, that you MUST keep your eyes open the whole time. Now I do - never sick. Ever.

So keep your eyes open while riding the Hulk (and through life, too!). Have a great time!

I GOTTA GET OUTA HERE.... ONE DAY TO GO!!:woohoo:
 


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