Considering a 'proper' camera.

torsie24

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Hi guys.

100% photography newbie here!!

Daily I am seeing photos on here taken by members, that are just breathtaking! It's really really making me want a DSLR!!

Problem is a don't have a CLUE!

What would you guys suggest for someone who thinks there Canon Ixus is fancy?

I'm thinking some kind of photography for dummies book and a second hand camera! Any specific brands/models I should look out for? What should I look at spending?

TIA! :goodvibes
 
Book: Understanding Exposure by Brian Peterson

DSLR: Any of the Nikon's (D40, D60), Canon (XTi or XS) or any of the entry-level Sony, Pentax, etc.

I think that you could get a good deal with any of these NEW and still not spend much over $700 for a camera and two decent lenses.
 
Wow! Thank you! I thought it was going to be in the thousands if I wanted a new camera. :) Will look into the book!
 
I was a beginner (and still am) a few years ago and purchased a Nikon D60 with a 18-55mm and 55-200mm lens in the kit... i got it at Costco with a starter kit and bag for under $800... I love the camera, and I have heard the D40 is almost identical and you can get that kit for around $500... Anyway you go (Nikon or Canon) you cannot go wrong... The jump from a point and shoot to any of the DSLR's is huge... Even the entry level cameras have a lot of settings and you will have to really practice and learn how to use them to their potential... Good luck with your choice, and make sure you make a post when you make a decision... :thumbsup2
 

Ok, I know this is about to be asked by someone else on here so I'll go ahead and ask; what are you going to be shooting? A lot depends on what you're shooting as to what cameras you should look into. If you are going to be taking a lot of gymnasium shots/areas where light is limited, you'll want a camera that exceeds in low light situations. If you're going to be outside shooting baseball/soccer/etc, you'll want something with a faster shutter speed. So give us a little more background into what you're shooting and you might be able to get a more specific suggestion. (No offense to Frantasmic; Nikon, Sony, Canon, PENTAX!!, are all good cameras.)
 
:) Thank you!

Ooooh this is exciting! But I relly don't need another explensive hobby! Lol!!
 
As was mentioned, the Understanding Exposure book is a very good place to start. My DH is going thru the learning curve right now and of everything he's looked at so far he has felt he got the most out of that book.

All of the top five brands mentioned build very capable entry level DSLR's. One good thing to do is to look at all of them, hold them and see what feels comfortable. That can be important for doing lots of shooting and may be a large deciding factor in what one you select.

I'll comment on Sony since that's what I shoot. They have released some new entry level's that are meant to be very user friendly to people moving from P&S camera's to DSLR's. There is quite a bit of on screen help telling you what the setting you've chosen is meant to do. From a quick look I also was very impressed with the photo's they take. They are on the small side for DSLR's which could be a plus or minus to you simply depending on the comfort of holding them and if you'd like a smaller camera.
 
Ok, I know this is about to be asked by someone else on here so I'll go ahead and ask; what are you going to be shooting? A lot depends on what you're shooting as to what cameras you should look into. If you are going to be taking a lot of gymnasium shots/areas where light is limited, you'll want a camera that exceeds in low light situations. If you're going to be outside shooting baseball/soccer/etc, you'll want something with a faster shutter speed. So give us a little more background into what you're shooting and you might be able to get a more specific suggestion. (No offense to Frantasmic; Nikon, Sony, Canon, PENTAX!!, are all good cameras.)
To be honest, it'll be lots of stuff, vacations, scenery, my cat, nephews etc. etc. Probably outdoor/scenery more than anything.
 
As was mentioned, the Understanding Exposure book is a very good place to start. My DH is going thru the learning curve right now and of everything he's looked at so far he has felt he got the most out of that book.

All of the top five brands mentioned build very capable entry level DSLR's. One good thing to do is to look at all of them, hold them and see what feels comfortable. That can be important for doing lots of shooting and may be a large deciding factor in what one you select.

I'll comment on Sony since that's what I shoot. They have released some new entry level's that are meant to be very user friendly to people moving from P&S camera's to DSLR's. There is quite a bit of on screen help telling you what the setting you've chosen is meant to do. From a quick look I also was very impressed with the photo's they take. They are on the small side for DSLR's which could be a plus or minus to you simply depending on the comfort of holding them and if you'd like a smaller camera.
Oooh, thanks Kat, what are the model numbers for those? Smaller sounds good to me. :) Especially if I'm going to be carrying them round a lot, I'm not all that muscley!
 
If you're going to be outside shooting baseball/soccer/etc, you'll want something with a faster shutter speed.

You not only need equipment, but also the knowledge of how to best use that equipment. For best result, you will need to know how to use the camera in semi-auto and manual modes. This requires time and effort which is much more difficult than laying down the credit card.

The use of professional equipment does not guarantee professional results.


-Paul
 
You not only need equipment, but also the knowledge of how to best use that equipment. For best result, you will need to know how to use the camera in semi-auto and manual modes. This requires time and effort which is much more difficult than laying down the credit card.

The use of professional equipment does not guarantee professional results.


-Paul
I gathered that much thanks. :)

That's why I asked about books to read before I asked about equipment. I'll probably have a look at the book this weekend, and then go from there once I know what real photography entails.
 
The use of professional equipment does not guarantee professional results.

I doesn't guarantee anything, but I've always found it very helpful. Many are the times when I've out-shot better photographers because I've had better gear.

As for book recommendations, I'm not a huge fan of Understanding Exposure. It's kind of dated. I prefer Kelby's Digital Photography Book series.

Books just get you started, though. If you want to learn, you have to practice. It is best if you have someone to shoot with. Find experienced shooters in your area. Clubs are great for that. If you find a good mentor, I recommend getting the same brand of gear that they use so that they can be of more help (and so that you can mooch equipment).

Of course, you can always come here for questions, practice assignments, and stuff like that. Some people here can be very helpful.
 
Yeah, what Mark said! :)

No matter how good you are, equipment helps. It can be faster, more accurate, etc and no amount of expertise can overcome that.

Btw, I use P mode almost all the time and my photos don't seem to suffer for it. Today's cameras auto systems are good, very good.
 
Bob, you forgot to recommend the Adams books - The Negative, The Camera, and The Print or whatever they are.
 
Bob, you forgot to recommend the Adams books - The Negative, The Camera, and The Print or whatever they are.

I figured a beginner would probably quickly put them down, they are not an easy read. That and I am getting old and it slipped my mind, partly due to standing out in the heat, covering the 2009 Corvair Convention, at:
http://bob.suzieandbob.com/

Talk about a niche market... ;)
 
As for book recommendations, I'm not a huge fan of Understanding Exposure. It's kind of dated. I prefer Kelby's Digital Photography Book series.

I agree with Understanding Exposure being a bit dated, but I don't know about Kelby's books for a beginner. More like an amateur looking to take it to the next level (I know when I first started, learned about the relationship between shutter speed, aperture, and ISO was more than enough--but then again, I'm a bit slow!) I think his book obfuscates the true "basics" of photography by focusing on more advanced topics. He certainly does have a humorous writing style though, and that's always appreciated.

As for the second part of Mark's advice, I agree completely. I am not in a photography club, but I have found miniature dachshunds are the perfect practice subject. They move fast, are unpredictable, and give you a "fun" subject to learn on. Perfect subject to use to hone your skills. Other people on the 'net dress them up in funny costumes to further the fun of the hobby, but I'm too lazy and cheap for that.
 
Oooh, thanks Kat, what are the model numbers for those? Smaller sounds good to me. :) Especially if I'm going to be carrying them round a lot, I'm not all that muscley!

The Sony A230 and A330 are the two lowest cost entry level cameras. The main difference between those two cameras is the A230 does not have live view (and is the lightest weight model) while the A330 has live view and an articulating screen. Right now Sony has a special on both cameras in the US so maybe the do in the UK as well. The A230 is $599 here for the body and two kit lenses. The A330 is $699 for the body and two kit lenses. It's $50 less if you only want one lens.

Also, there are good deals to be had on the cameras they replaced - the A200 and A300. Both nice cameras that have a different body style and different kit lenses but are still on the smaller side.

Have fun shopping!
 
Wow, thanks so much for all the input everyone!!

I'm out at the mall tomorrow, so will definitely stop by a book shop. :) Might have a nosey in the camera store, but I'll leave it a couple of weeks to buy anything.

:lmao: At miniature dachsunds, do you think a hyper active 3 year old cat would do the same job? ;) Sadly cats don't like being dressed up or I would so do that!
 
We switched to digital years ago because my wife is a shutter bug taking pictures of anything and everything. She puts the shots together in books and we keep every shot except the blurry ones. I purchased cameras for both of us so she would be able to take pictures with me in them so I’m not always the one behind the camera and not in the pictures.

We wanted a DSLR because we were switching from a Minolta X-700 SLR that always took spectacular pictures for us in the auto mode. We do like to take the artsy pictures but with kids it is a bit difficult so we went with good quality but simplicity.

For her we have the Olympus 1030SW (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0011E87RM/?tag=googhydr-20&hvadid=3562836205&ref=pd_sl_90vl82vggx_b) because it can fit in ones pocket and we take it to the Disney Parks and the Water Parks and can get it wet and take underwater shots as well. For me (and it is a few years old now) a Sony DSC-H5 (http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Cybersho...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=photo&qid=1247833035&sr=1-1) because it is as close to an SLR as we wanted to get without the expense and having to carry the extra gear. We also have a Sony HD Camcorder HDR-SR12 and I ABSOLUTLY love it!. It also takes great 16x9 snapshots and I can shoot for days without dealing with tape or memory chips.

One thing I will caution you on when you get your choice of cameras. Make sure you get the highest number of mAh batteries you can so you are not changing them out all day and you don’t have to carry so many with you unless you like the bag with the extra lenses and such. Also; don’t get a memory chip as large as you can get. For example; I wanted to get a 2GB chip (largest capacity available at the time) for the cameras but discovered that if I get 2 1GB chips it worked better because if one chip went bad on my vacation I could pop in the other and keep shooting and then figure out how to offload the other when I get home.

Good luck with your purchase.
 
Just to throw another little bug in your ear when shopping...I'm surprised to see one of the big manufacturers left out of the suggestions so far. Canon, Nikon, Sony, and Pentax are all great...and Olympus is quite fine too. The choices don't stop there, as there are DSLRs out there by a few other manufacturers and they too will do a fine job. But these 'big five' are probably the best selling, most established, and have the largest lens selections, so they tend to be the ones most commonly recommended and for good reason.

If you want small and easier to handle - you can't go too wrong with the new Sonys mentioned -they do seem to have been designed quite specifically with P&S converts in mind...being smaller and with much more walk-through menus and descriptions. Also consider Olympus, who has usually made some of the smallest and lightest DSLRs on the market. They use a slightly smaller sensor than the other entry level cameras, but don't seem to suffer too much from it at all - in tests they rank right up with the others in image quality. And their Zuiko lenses are some of the better lenses available for entry levels.

As also mentioned, how and what you intend to shoot, how willing you are to really get into photography, how much money you want to spend - all will be factors for what to recommend. Truth is, a heavy majority of all amateur photogs out there would be served just fine by a P&S camera...with those more enthusiastic about photography getting great results off of an advanced P&S with some manual controls. Many newbies go straight to a DSLR, but don't necessarily need it, or use it to its abilities. And that's fine - DSLRs are the best cameras for image quality in the widest range of photographic situations...but just think it through and decide if you want to accept the compromises you'll have to take to go to a DSLR (hey...there are ALWAYS compromises!). With a P&S, you get small, portable, sealed, cheap, easy...but you don't get as good with action, movement freezing, high ISO, or ability to change lenses. With a DSLR, you get flexibility, lens range, high ISO, fast speed, tracking AF, optical viewfinders...but you don't get small, light, sealed or cheap...and easy is debatable.

I shot for years with advanced P&S cameras, and got tremendous results, was very happy, and managed to sell and publish photos from those cameras. It took 3-5 years of learning and evolving in photography before I was truly up against the limit of what I could achieve with those cameras...and had to move to a DSLR. Believe me, a good P&S can be all some folks ever need - and you can actually make money from photography using one and get good enough results for large prints that look professional and national publication standards to be met. I shot wildlife, landscape, night scenes, events, and portraits with P&S cameras, and made enough to buy all my DSLR equipment. I needed to move up into higher ISOs, shoot more moving subjects and action, needed faster burst modes, low light lenses, super-telephotos, and ultra-wides. Only when I wanted to branch into that type of photography did I really NEED to move to a DSLR. And even then, I couldn't get by with P mode and a kit lens - I had to spend thousands on specialty lenses to suit those specific tasks. DSLRs can be a very pricey habit, and lens lust is a real disease that can drain a wallet - so beware! Make sure you REALLY feel you need a DSLR, or want one really really badly, before making the final decision. Or next thing you know, you'll have 10 lenses and a hand-cart to travel with them all! ;)
 

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