Congress concerned over MagicBand security issues..

jason10mm said:
TL;DR, but if they MagicPass+ me they will simply see a need for WAY more beer kiosks, Star Wars and Indiana Jones attractions, far larger Germany and England showcases, and more Ariel, Jasmine, and Pocahantas meet and greets :P

Lol, wouldn't that be great?! Well except the Ariel etc. Indiana jones...yep
 
jtowntoflorida said:
Did I say Disney did? No, I said I found his tone off-putting and I feel that he didn't answer the questions posed. I think that it eliminates confusion when you restate the question asked and then answer that question specifically, instead of essentially rewording your publicly available privacy policy again and again and regurgitating that in response.

I find it high-larious that Disney is talking about how "transparent" this whole new program is for its guests, and yet the Disboards, full of Disney "experts" and repeat guests, have nothing but questions about it, and debate endlessly about what they really mean. If Disney was really as transparent as it claims to be, I don't think all these questions would exist.

I disagree. (Heh.)

The nature of the Internet is that people will endlessly debate the meaning of the most clear statements. A thread regarding the statement 'the sky is blue' could go twenty pages before being locked down by a mod. Topics that people are passionate about are almost certainly going to result in dozens of pages of parsings and supposition.
 
This can also be read in a different way...bolding mine:

But as I said, it would be difficult to opt out completely and still be able to take advantage of things. You need to provide at least a minimal amount of information to use MDE - I'm not sure the minimum but at least an email address and as we are led to understand a ticket. Not yet sure what else would be required in order to make FP+ reservations, etc.

If you are opting out of MyMagic+ (of which MDE is a defined part) because you don't want to provide ANY personal information, I don't see how you could participate.

And even in-park, they say they are asking for an email address at a minimum to participate in FP+.

So it isn't clear what you have access to if you opt-out completely. It's clear that you won't have a single device to access it though, which was fairly obvious.
 
Did I say Disney did? No, I said I found his tone off-putting and I feel that he didn't answer the questions posed. I think that it eliminates confusion when you restate the question asked and then answer that question specifically, instead of essentially rewording your publicly available privacy policy again and again and regurgitating that in response.

I find it high-larious that Disney is talking about how "transparent" this whole new program is for its guests, and yet the Disboards, full of Disney "experts" and repeat guests, have nothing but questions about it, and debate endlessly about what they really mean. If Disney was really as transparent as it claims to be, I don't think all these questions would exist.

Iger did not state that the whole My Magic + program has been fully rolled out or every detail has been finalized. What he said was:

We have transparent privacy practices, guests can control and limit the amount of information they provide to us – and how their information is used.

Of course, questions will still exist because the whole initiative hasnt been rolled out yet. People can only speculate on certain areas where the full details have not been released. That is where the debate comes in.
 

I disagree. (Heh.)

I am totally shocked by this turn of events. ;)

Listen, man, I love Disney. We've had two great trips, and are in the process of planning a third. I just think that the whole rollout of this MyMagic+ thing hasn't been handled in the best manner. Clearly, Disney should employ me to answer their questions from Rep Markey.

Disney, if you're watching...sorry, I'm already taken by another large multinational soul-sucking company. You're outta luck. :rotfl2:
 
Iger's response did give some answers in that regard.

If they opt out of the MagicBand, the other option is an RFID-enabled card. It can pretty much do all the touch-and-go stuff the MagicBand can do. It won't allow for some of the location-based experiences though that the MagicBand can trigger with the longer-range transmitter, since it lacks it. Exactly what this means, we don't know, but it is likely the dynamic/custom experiences that have been touted:



Now, as far as opting out of MyMagic+ completely:



After re-reading these sections, it does NOT imply that FastPass+ would not be available, but there is the implication that FastPass+ advanced reservations could not be made, since using the MDE website or app is in essence opting in to MyMagic+. Whether any day-of FP+ options will be available is a whole 'nother ball of threads, and whether it is accessible if you don't at least provide a name and email address is unclear, which some people may still choose not to give - or for that matter, have.

"You are required to convert paper tickets and passes in order to make and use FastPass+ selections."

http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/me...2_1359494446_035b7f9f2995886451899aaf10135c6e
 
finedice said:
The original letter was not ridiculous - uninformed perhaps, but I for one am glad that this government I pay, is somewhat concerned about my privacy. This is true whether they are concerned for it just because they want my vote or not.

Lol, then perhaps they need to mind their own issues a bit more. They lost my personal info. Much more personal than my thinking Indiana jones is hot.
 
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jtowntoflorida said:
I just think that the whole rollout of this MyMagic+ thing hasn't been handled in the best manner.
I'm going to wait until its actually rolled out to decide whether I agree with how the whole thing was rolled out.
 
"You are required to convert paper tickets and passes in order to make and use FastPass+ selections."

http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/me...2_1359494446_035b7f9f2995886451899aaf10135c6e

Yes...but how does that answer any of the questions here?

_IF_ you want to make FP+ selections, you must convert to an RFID card or a MagicBand. The corollary is that if you DON'T convert, you can't.

And it does not say if you can opt-out of MyMagic+ and still make FP+ selections. It's not exclusive. You can convert your tickets and still not be able to use FP+.
 
doconeill said:
Iger's response did give some answers in that regard.

If they opt out of the MagicBand, the other option is an RFID-enabled card. It can pretty much do all the touch-and-go stuff the MagicBand can do. It won't allow for some of the location-based experiences though that the MagicBand can trigger with the longer-range transmitter, since it lacks it. Exactly what this means, we don't know, but it is likely the dynamic/custom experiences that have been touted:

Now, as far as opting out of MyMagic+ completely:

After re-reading these sections, it does NOT imply that FastPass+ would not be available, but there is the implication that FastPass+ advanced reservations could not be made, since using the MDE website or app is in essence opting in to MyMagic+. Whether any day-of FP+ options will be available is a whole 'nother ball of threads, and whether it is accessible if you don't at least provide a name and email address is unclear, which some people may still choose not to give - or for that matter, have.

But that isn't a loss. Merely a not receiving something new.

In case anyone is still keeping count. No loss of opportunities merely the inability to use the new if you choose not to.
 
A third party betting on customers bringing RFID/transmitter devices with them to other places would be spending a lot of money for little payoff. Might as well just go to the same system. And if they do, they'd also have to have a information privacy policy in place.

You'd think so - but stores are already tracking people by their cell phones (specifically by the mac address used when you scan for open wifi). If Disney RFID bracelets became that popular (which I don't see happening), then stores will start snooping that too.

The payoff is uncertain, but retail establishments have demonstrated that they see significant value in tracking shopper data.
 
But that isn't a loss. Merely a not receiving something new.

In case anyone is still keeping count. No loss of opportunities merely the inability to use the new if you choose not to.

Well, that depends on whether regular Fastpass sticks around - or whether FP+ are available during the day.
 
finedice said:
The original letter was not ridiculous - uninformed perhaps, but I for one am glad that this government I pay, is somewhat concerned about my privacy. This is true whether they are concerned for it just because they want my vote or not.
Yeah. Just like he was concerned enough about your privacy that he went after the other companies already using this technology AND using it to market FB games to children. Oh, wait...


jtowntoflorida said:
I find it high-larious that Disney is talking about how "transparent" this whole new program is for its guests, and yet the Disboards, full of Disney "experts" and repeat guests, have nothing but questions about it, and debate endlessly about what they really mean. If Disney was really as transparent as it claims to be, I don't think all these questions would exist.

UNCFanatik said:
Iger did not state that the whole My Magic + program has been fully rolled out or every detail has been finalized. What he said was:

Of course, questions will still exist because the whole initiative hasnt been rolled out yet. People can only speculate on certain areas where the full details have not been released. That is where the debate comes in.
Bingo!! :)

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It's pretty clear that choosing the card over the band will mean that you won't get the personalized interactions brought about by the powered transmitter. His specific inquiry about ride times has been answered quite clearly since day one. Users of the card will still be able to access FP+.

I am referring to fully opting out of the RFID program.

In this respect, his inquiry has not been answered as far as I can find. It is clear that he is dodging the question.

It seems as if the intent is to indeed limit the ability of the guest who chooses to fully "opt-out" of the system (likely in order to encourage them to "opt-in"), and that through omission of a clear response to the specific question, Iger is not willing to answer that question directly.

It HAS been clearly stated from the start that opting out of the MM+ system altogether means that guests will not be able to make any FP+ reservations, whether advance or day of.

What is not stated is whether guests that fully opt-out will be at a disadvantage with attraction wait times (as 1b queries).

"You are required to convert paper tickets and passes in order to make and use FastPass+ selections. Once you convert a ticket or pass you will no longer be able to participate in the standard FASTPASS service upon arrival at the parks"

http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/me...2_1359494446_035b7f9f2995886451899aaf10135c6e
 
You'd think so - but stores are already tracking people by their cell phones (specifically by the mac address used when you scan for open wifi). If Disney RFID bracelets became that popular (which I don't see happening), then stores will start snooping that too.

The payoff is uncertain, but retail establishments have demonstrated that they see significant value in tracking shopper data.

Tracking MAC addresses only works if you have Wi-Fi on all the time. I turn it off quite a bit...it saved on the battery when it won't be able to or I don't want it to connect to any random hotspot. And truthfully I should know this but I don't know offhand if a client device beacons it's search for a hotspot, or it sits passively waiting for the SSID broadcast...regardless, it will let them know they are in the store - that's about it. Wi-Fi does not give location info.

Retailers already get most all they need based on your purchases. Don't need to track you in the store for that.

And I seriously doubt any retailers in the Pacific Northwest are going to invest in compatible tracking technology on the very slight chance someone has been to Disney and continues to wear their MagicBand while in their shops, AND that the battery still works...
 
doconeill said:
Well, that depends on whether regular Fastpass sticks around - or whether FP+ are available during the day.

I thought I read that fp would still be available. Sorry!
 
Yeah. Just like he was concerned enough about your privacy that he went after the other companies already using this technology AND using it to market FB games to children. Oh, wait...

Why are you attacking me for feeling this way? These are not mutually exclusive. The sarcasm is unecessary. I am simply trying to figure out the best course of action for my vacation. I applaud the questioning. I have many of the same concerns as Markey - even if not for the same reasons. Iger's response was highly unprofessional for an executive of his stature - let alone for the head Disney "cast member". In my mind, a gracious, polite, and informative response would have gone a whole lot further toward garnering trust in the company.

I seek information, not argument.
 
finedice said:
I am referring to fully opting out of the RFID program.

In this respect, his inquiry has not been answered as far as I can find. It is clear that he is dodging the question.]

Unless I'm missing something, Markey never asked about guests fully opting out of RFID -- he asked about guests opting out of MagicBand. That was answered fully. Not dodging anything.

--> From Markey's letter: "1. b. If a guest chooses not to use MagicBand, what disadvantages, if any, will that guest experience while visiting a Disney park (i.e., longer waits for attractions, etc.)?"

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