Concerned about smokers

[Mickeyhugger]

It would be nice if they could do something like port-side verandahs are smoking and starboard-side verandahs are non-smoking. Then when you book a verandah room you could state your preference of smoking, non-smoking or no preference.

That's a great idea! I think Carnival does that? Or one of the other cruise lines, I can't remember.

 

[tajz90]

The problem with (some) other lines is that they allow smoking in interior spaces of the ship. Makes it hard to breathe for some.

 

[Rogillio]

I know some people don't like the smell of smoke but there are very few places in the world you can walk down the street and not occasionally catch a whiff of smoke. Unless you have violent allergic/asthmatic reaction there is no harm. To me, the smell of smoke is less offensive than men and woman to marinate in perfume/cologne. Getting on the elevator heading to dinner on the ship and all you smell is perfume. Gag!!

I guess if we want to avoid unwanted smells, we should just stay home.

 

[Silverfox97]

I know some people don't like the smell of smoke but there are very few places in the world you can walk down the street and not occasionally catch a whiff of smoke. Unless you have violent allergic/asthmatic reaction there is no harm. To me, the smell of smoke is less offensive than men and woman to marinate in perfume/cologne. Getting on the elevator heading to dinner on the ship and all you smell is perfume. Gag!!

I guess if we want to avoid unwanted smells, we should just stay home.

True, but although made of chemicals, your health isn't at risk from perfume/cologne.

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[Moxin]

I know some people don't like the smell of smoke but there are very few places in the world you can walk down the street and not occasionally catch a whiff of smoke. Unless you have violent allergic/asthmatic reaction there is no harm. To me, the smell of smoke is less offensive than men and woman to marinate in perfume/cologne. Getting on the elevator heading to dinner on the ship and all you smell is perfume. Gag!!

I guess if we want to avoid unwanted smells, we should just stay home.

Second hand smoke is harmful, so it's not just the disgusting smell we don't like.

And personally, I'd rather gag on perfume in an elevator than stand next to someone who's been smoking. Do you even realize how badly you smell of smoke?

 

[Rogillio]

True, but although made of chemicals, your health isn't at risk from perfume/cologne.

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Says who? Has anyone done study to prove that inhaling chemicals of someone perfume is not harmful? What if it is so strong that I gag....and in doing so involentarily jerk my head backwards away from the perfume and hit my head on the wall causing a fracture of my lower cranium that impinges on my brain and kills me!

Seriouslty, there is no health risk from smelling cigarette smoke either. The only studies for second hand smoke were for the spouse of a smoker who is constantly around a smoker day and night for years and years. An occasional smell of cigarette smoke is not going to give you cancer. More likely to get cancer from sitting at a traffic light inhaling the methane exhaust of all the surrounding cars and trucks.....

 

[caribbeandreaming]

It would be nice if they could do something like port-side verandahs are smoking and starboard-side verandahs are non-smoking. Then when you book a verandah room you could state your preference of smoking, non-smoking or no preference.

Obviously that would add difficulty to the whole process. And it would be a preference that they try to accommodate, not a guarantee.

But maybe they could give priority to guests with medical reasons over those who just "don't like the smell of smoke" Like, I have a client with a severe smoke allergy. He lives in a townhouse, and he was inside his house with all the doors and windows closed and his neighbor 4 houses down was outside on his porch smoking... and my client ended up in the hospital.


Also, I'm a HUGE supporter of e-cigarettes! They are fantastic! They sometimes have a slight smell while using them (depending on the flavor of the vapor...) but the smell quickly disappears and doesn't leave any traces behind! There is no smoke, tar, ash, tobacco, carcinogens or toxins with e-cigarettes... just water vapor, nicotine and artificial flavoring!

Exactly what I was thinking! They should designate certain sections of staterooms as smoking verandahs. With DCL being THE cruise line that caters to children, I'm very surprised they allow smoking on any verandahs.

 

[M2B]

True, but although made of chemicals, your health isn't at risk from perfume/cologne.

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It is if you have severe asthma and react to perfumes/colognes. My son was hospitalized more than once due to perfume/cologne out in public, and one of those attacks could easily have been fatal.

 

[Rogillio]

Second hand smoke is harmful, so it's not just the disgusting smell we don't like.

And personally, I'd rather gag on perfume in an elevator than stand next to someone who's been smoking. Do you even realize how badly you smell of smoke?[/QUOTE]


I don't smoke! I too find the smell of a smoker offensive.....but 20% of American smoke....so 1 in 5 people.

I just came from Japan and I saw roughly 10% of the people there wearing masks. It was rather disconcerting. I was wondering what they are fearful of catching. If you (not 'you' but the generic you like I'm sure you meant above ) are that concerned about smelling smoke, then I seriously suggest trying one of those blue masks.

 

[mmouse37]

Exactly what I was thinking! They should designate certain sections of staterooms as smoking verandahs. With DCL being THE cruise line that caters to children, I'm very surprised they allow smoking on any verandahs.

And what happens when a non smoker WANTS that cabin that is designated as a smoking verandah cabin because it is their favorite cabin and they always sail in that cabin and it is not fair that DCL now made it a "smoking" verandah cabin.

Same with the smoker who wants to book a verandah but all that is left are non-smoking verandas. They won't be happy either.

Do not think it would work at all. Same with one side of the ship "smoking" cabins and one side "non smoking". There will ALWAYS be someone who wants to be on the side of the ship that they can't have. We see now in many threads..."What side of the ship for the best view of "fill in the blank". People would not be happy. They would say it is not "fair" that the side with the best "view" was taken by a smoker or a non-smoker depending on if that person smokes or not. I think it would be a nightmare for DCL

MJ

 

[P'colaBeachBum]

It would be nice if they could do something like port-side verandahs are smoking and starboard-side verandahs are non-smoking. Then when you book a verandah room you could state your preference of smoking, non-smoking or no preference.

or perhaps have a couple of cabin decks that are smoke free.

 

[River Country]

This is all silly

I smoked for almost 20 years and if i was in a designated smoking section of anywhere and a non-smoker asked me to not smoke i would ask them to move to their own section of wherever that may be.

If it is designated smoking then the non smokers should stay out of it, In the case of a Verranda i booked one and if my neighbor smokes good for them. I mean really this is silly, if you dont want to run this risk just get a room with a porthole, if you dont care(like me) enjoy the verranda

 

[caribbeandreaming]

And what happens when a non smoker WANTS that cabin that is designated as a smoking verandah cabin because it is their favorite cabin and they always sail in that cabin and it is not fair that DCL now made it a "smoking" verandah cabin.

Same with the smoker who wants to book a verandah but all that is left are non-smoking verandas. They won't be happy either.

Do not think it would work at all. Same with one side of the ship "smoking" cabins and one side "non smoking". There will ALWAYS be someone who wants to be on the side of the ship that they can't have. We see now in many threads..."What side of the ship for the best view of "fill in the blank". People would not be happy. They would say it is not "fair" that the side with the best "view" was taken by a smoker or a non-smoker depending on if that person smokes or not. I think it would be a nightmare for DCL

MJ

Exactly - and I'm sure this is why DCL doesn't bother trying to do it because it would be a nightmare for them to deal with. It would be nice for those of us who absolutely cannot stand smoke to have options though. We are sailing in a verandah room in a couple of weeks, and we have to take a gamble that we won't be near a smoker. It would be nice to be able to plan and know for certain that me and my family will not be subjected to something that is hazardous to our health.

 

[neg58]

Exactly - and I'm sure this is why DCL doesn't bother trying to do it because it would be a nightmare for them to deal with. It would be nice for those of us who absolutely cannot stand smoke to have options though. We are sailing in a verandah room in a couple of weeks, and we have to take a gamble that we won't be near a smoker. It would be nice to be able to plan and know for certain that me and my family will not be subjected to something that is hazardous to our health.

Hotels have done it for years. You can request smoking or non-smoking, and if it isn't available, you get what is. Most hotels are now entirely non-smoking in the rooms. If you want to smoke, you go to the place where you can smoke (in the back alley, by the trash cans). Offices do it. Courthouses are non-smoking. Jails are non-smoking. Schools are non-smoking on the grounds. At the public hospital I drive by, no smoking is allowed on the grounds, even in a private vehicle parked in the garage, so everyone lines up on the sidewalk across the street - doctors, nurses, patients, visitors. Day or night, you see a long line of folks just puffing away.

Some people might opt not to go on Disney if it were entirely non-smoking or if there were only a few smoking spots, but many of us would choose a non-smoking cruise if given the option.

At an office I worked at, when I first started you could smoke wherever you wanted to - office, board room, cubicle, lunch room. We moved to a new building and smoking was allowed only in offices and the board room. New (non-smoking) president starts and then only allowed in a special room which just happened to be one floor below my office. I complained (as did others) and within a month the smokers were outside. Then outside away from the doors. Over by the trash cans. Times they are a-changing. You have to be one mighty dedicated smoker to stand outside, by the trash, when it is 25 below zero, but some did it.

If DCL said Port is smoking/Starboard is not, I'd decide if I wanted Port or to look at CC as we backed in (easy, no smoking would be my choice).

Nancy

 

[sherilynn]

I don't choose to smoke, but I'd rather be next to a smoker than the couple that had sex on their verandah on one side of me or the continually fussy toddler twins on the other side. There are worst things in life than a little smoke.

 

[lilpooh108]

or perhaps have a couple of cabin decks that are smoke free.

When we had a verandah room on the Dream, the smoke was coming from the smoker adjacent and above us (so at a diagonal). So even if they did certain smoke free decks, it wouldn't help that much if someone is smoking above you. It really impeded our enjoyment of our verandah, since both his smoke and ash flicking was falling down on/near us when we were downwind.

We paid quite a bit to upgrade at the port, and it's convinced me to not go out of my way to get a verandah again. We enjoyed having it that cruise (I was pregnant so it was nice), but having to deal with the smoking was annoying.

I also don't understand why they can't just ban smoking on the verandahs. They ban it for the Disney/DVC resorts, even on the balconies. There are clear signs on the sliding glass doors.

 

[Rogillio]

I also don't understand why they can't just ban smoking on the verandahs. They ban it for the Disney/DVC resorts, even on the balconies. There are clear signs on the sliding glass doors.

Perhaps becuase more people like the policy or 'don't care' about the policy than are bothered by it? 1 in 5 people smoke...so about 20% of people. If you figure 2 adults per stateroom that gives you 2 chances or a 40% of having a least one smoker in a room. Maybe a little more because maybe smokers are more inclined to get a verandah room.

I really think this is much ado about nothing. We've cruised a dozen times and only on one cruise did we ever catch wind of someone smoking on a verandah.

 

[neg58]

Perhaps becuase more people like the policy or 'don't care' about the policy than are bothered by it? 1 in 5 people smoke...so about 20% of people. If you figure 2 adults per stateroom that gives you 2 chances or a 40% of having a least one smoker in a room. Maybe a little more because maybe smokers are more inclined to get a verandah room.

I really think this is much ado about nothing. We've cruised a dozen times and only on one cruise did we ever catch wind of someone smoking on a verandah.

I think your assumptions that 20% ofDCL adult customers smoke is way off. 20% of American adults may smoke, but those numbers are concentracted in certain demographics, and those demographics are not necessarily the people DCL is marketing to.

We all weigh the things we like about cruising and the individual ships when we decide to cruise and on which line. I'd view a non-smoking cruise as a positive. I think within a few years there won't be smokings allowed on the verandahs.

Nancy

 

[OrangeCountyCommuter]

I think your assumptions that 20% ofDCL adult customers smoke is way off. 20% of American adults may smoke, but those numbers are concentracted in certain demographics, and those demographics are not necessarily the people DCL is marketing to.

We all weigh the things we like about cruising and the individual ships when we decide to cruise and on which line. I'd view a non-smoking cruise as a positive. I think within a few years there won't be smokings allowed on the verandahs.

Nancy

Actually some of the DCL demographics might actually lean towards MORE smokers. Disney has a very large following in the United Kingdom where the smoker ratio is higher then the US same with the Asian countries

That said, I don't get the hysteria. As others have posted there are lines where smoking is much more restrictive. If you want Disney to change then what you do is quit booking them and book on lines that have policies you like. it's that simple. $$$$ generally get their attention!

And I believe some of this is "hysteria" It's a common Disney fan affection. They spend time looking for "proof" of what they want to find I saw it on the Dream. I was sitting in the smoking area, but I was the ONLY person there and I don't smoke. It didn't smell like smoke. Woman walks by and makes nasty comments to me about my bad habit.

My favorite "smoking" story happened several years ago at Epcot. I was there with a smoker and it was around 7:30. We were in a smoking area along with several other groups with smokers. Woman shows up with her kids, spreads out her blanket and begins the "camp out" to watch Illuminiations. She then realizes folks are smoking. She gets up and goes to find a CM whom she drags back over to the smoking area. I assume CM tells her "sorry, they are in a smoking area" She then gets HYSTERICAL and starts telling everyone how we are endangering her kids. Now mind you the park was not crowded and there were a LOT of spaces she could have camped, but she was camping THERE! We finally left, but I got the distinct impression a couple of older men were planning to chain smoke until the park closed just to drive her crazy!

 

[taylor3297]

Second hand smoke is harmful, so it's not just the disgusting smell we don't like.

And personally, I'd rather gag on perfume in an elevator than stand next to someone who's been smoking. Do you even realize how badly you smell of smoke?[/QUOTE]


I don't smoke! I too find the smell of a smoker offensive.....but 20% of American smoke....so 1 in 5 people.

I just came from Japan and I saw roughly 10% of the people there wearing masks. It was rather disconcerting. I was wondering what they are fearful of catching. If you (not 'you' but the generic you like I'm sure you meant above ) are that concerned about smelling smoke, then I seriously suggest trying one of those blue masks.

The people in Japan were either A) sick and did not want to share their germs (even folks with a head cold will wear masks in public) or B) has allergies and try to avoid the pollen when the pollen count is high.

Noticed the same thing when I was in Takarazuka and asked.