Computer / Tablet

This thread has gotten me to reconsider several tablets I had previously written off as not being what we need. This is why I post on message boards!

Just saying... keep the discussions going. It's the only way we learn about new things, or learn that what we thought we knew was wrong!
 
Cisobe, I also had the netbook with an Atom and wasn't very impressed - but I can say it's come a long way in the new gen version. Even running full Windows 8, I find the Vivotab opens, runs, and works about as fast as my desktop running Windows 7 with a full Core i7. Now, if I start pushing it, it shows its limitations - running 2 or 3 big hog programs will slow it - but that's more to do with the 2GB RAM - the dual core atom is much much better than the previous versions, and it's orders of magnitude faster than my old netbook. I use it for remote desktopping to my work computer, video playback and remote viewing of my DirecTV box & Playstation, and light photo editing (not full photoshop), and it handles very nicely.
 
How's the performance on the Vivo Tab? I checked it out after your post, and saw that it's running a dual core intel atom processor. The main reason I mentioned the surface is because it runs an i5 processor, which gives you the power of a standard laptop. I had a net book with an atom processor, and the performance was less then stellar... good enough for checking email, and surfing the web, but not much else...

curious how the vivo tab runs...

the Surface Pro will beat the pants off a Vivo tab.
 

the Surface Pro will beat the pants off a Vivo tab.

Okay.

But don't you think it depends on what you need it for? I don't need mine for running 10 simultaneous programs, editing 20MP photos in Photoshop while playing World of Warcraft, or any other big processing test. I need it to download and store photos, access e-mail and browse web, remote desktop to work, and backup to an external drive. Maybe play FreeCell, check the weather, and Skype someone.

I'm just guessing, but it seems the OP didn't need a full i7 Core processor either. So exactly what will the Surface Pro be beating pants off in? Build quality? No. Battery life? Not by a longshot.

The Surface Pro seems a fine, viable option and anyone who feels they need the faster processor for their main machine would do well to consider it. But there's no need to get all fanboyish and start silly, unsubstantiated quips like 'my surface's daddy can beat your vivotab's daddy'. This thread is for providing information about various tablets, netbooks, and laptops so the OP, and anyone else reading, can make a determination of what works best for their needs. I was asked about how the new dual core Atom chip worked, so I provided that information. I noted that I compared it to a Core i7 chip in a desktop, and for basic computing it runs fine and just as fast, but for heavier use, it is definitely slower. So anyone needing maximum chip power for their lightweight travel backup tablet hybrid, they can look for one with a solid Core chip and tons of RAM. For anyone who doesn't need maximum chip power and just needs a travel and backup lightweight hybrid, they can consider the new dual core Atom-chip powered devices, which are quite a bit better than the original atom-powered netbooks.

And everyone can keep their pants on.
 
Okay.

But don't you think it depends on what you need it for? I don't need mine for running 10 simultaneous programs, editing 20MP photos in Photoshop while playing World of Warcraft, or any other big processing test. I need it to download and store photos, access e-mail and browse web, remote desktop to work, and backup to an external drive. Maybe play FreeCell, check the weather, and Skype someone.

I'm just guessing, but it seems the OP didn't need a full i7 Core processor either. So exactly what will the Surface Pro be beating pants off in? Build quality? No. Battery life? Not by a longshot.

The Surface Pro seems a fine, viable option and anyone who feels they need the faster processor for their main machine would do well to consider it. But there's no need to get all fanboyish and start silly, unsubstantiated quips like 'my surface's daddy can beat your vivotab's daddy'. This thread is for providing information about various tablets, netbooks, and laptops so the OP, and anyone else reading, can make a determination of what works best for their needs. I was asked about how the new dual core Atom chip worked, so I provided that information. I noted that I compared it to a Core i7 chip in a desktop, and for basic computing it runs fine and just as fast, but for heavier use, it is definitely slower. So anyone needing maximum chip power for their lightweight travel backup tablet hybrid, they can look for one with a solid Core chip and tons of RAM. For anyone who doesn't need maximum chip power and just needs a travel and backup lightweight hybrid, they can consider the new dual core Atom-chip powered devices, which are quite a bit better than the original atom-powered netbooks.

And everyone can keep their pants on.

Here's why I think the Vivo tab is a poor choice, it has nothing to do with being a fanboy.

The Atom CPU, though much better than they were, are still underpowered. It also has half the amount of RAM it should. I might want the power to do at least organize the shots I've taken, so being able to run Lightroom without lag might be important.

USB 2.0 vs. the Surface Pro's USB 3.0, if I'm offloading 32 GB cards, I will buy a good USB 3.0 SD Card reader, and it'll take half the time.

Vivo Tab is only 64 GB, Surface Pro has a 64 GB & 128 GB variant if needed.

Bulky keyboard attachment. If I really am planning on travelling with this device I don't want to have to remember the 2nd half of my PC. I don't intend on doing any hardcore typing, or computing while on the road, so I can bring a long the Typecover (which is comfortable enough if I need to write anything lengthy unexpectedly), which is tiny, acts as cover, and held on with extremely strong magnets, my keyboard is always with me.

It would seem to me, the way you describe it, the Vivo tab drains the battery wrong. Best case for the user would be it drains the bases battery first, not the tablet's. That way, when I pick it up to go, it's still got a full charge, but may have depleted the base.

The price points are so close together, why would I get the slower machine for just a little less?
 
The Atom CPU, though much better than they were, are still underpowered. It also has half the amount of RAM it should. I might want the power to do at least organize the shots I've taken, so being able to run Lightroom without lag might be important.

Indeed I agree for someone wanting to run processor-intense software, it would make a difference. But if you didn't want or need to run those things, it wouldn't make much of a difference, right? And the OP didn't seem to indicate they wanted to do heavy editing, just mostly storing and e-mailing. There's no question a full core processor is faster, the same as stating a Ferrari 512 is faster than a Hyundai Elantra. But both can do 55mph on a regular commute, so if that's all you need it for, the extra power isn't doing anything for you. That's my point on considering the lesser powered devices - some folks simply don't need more. And the Atom processor is definitely less power hungry, which can be an advantage to some.

USB 2.0 vs. the Surface Pro's USB 3.0, if I'm offloading 32 GB cards, I will buy a good USB 3.0 SD Card reader, and it'll take half the time.

USB3.0 is nice to have. If the extra 5-7 minutes to load 400 RAW files matters, then that's an advantage. Honestly, that part didn't weigh in my decision...but to each their own as to how important upload time is.

Vivo Tab is only 64 GB, Surface Pro has a 64 GB & 128 GB variant if needed.

If needed. Key words. It didn't sound like it was needed from the OP. But if it is, that's good to have. Of course, I use a 64GB microSD card in the built-in SD slot on my Tab so that I too have 128GB of storage room...it was a pretty cheap solution. You can do that on the Surface too - I couldn't see paying for the 128GB version when you can get the 64GB version and stick in a micro SD card for more storage. Again, that's just me - others may differ in their priorities.

Bulky keyboard attachment. If I really am planning on travelling with this device I don't want to have to remember the 2nd half of my PC. I don't intend on doing any hardcore typing, or computing while on the road, so I can bring a long the Typecover (which is comfortable enough if I need to write anything lengthy unexpectedly), which is tiny, acts as cover, and held on with extremely strong magnets, my keyboard is always with me.

That explains your reason. Mine differs - I prefer the more solid keyboard base - it balances the tablet nicely, and makes it a completely reasonable replacement for a laptop - works, balances, and functions just like one. But can still snap off and become a tablet if wanted. I like the real keys myself - I couldn't get comfortable with the typecover when I tried it - I also don't like typing on the on-screen keyboards. it's all a personal thing - I do much more typing on mine, so a good keyboard was important, and good laptop like balance was very important. My keyboard is always with me too...when attached to the keyboard it's thinner than my old netbook was which works beautifully for me. Nothing wrong with either solution, but yours works better for your needs, mine for my needs.

It would seem to me, the way you describe it, the Vivo tab drains the battery wrong. Best case for the user would be it drains the bases battery first, not the tablet's. That way, when I pick it up to go, it's still got a full charge, but may have depleted the base.

It's all in how you use it - works perfectly for me. When I'm using it as tablet, it's got plenty of charge - but I also always return it to the keyboard base when I'm done, so the keyboard base transfers its charge back to tablet. This allows me to use the tablet for 4-5 hours at a time, return it to the base, and by repeating the process I can go about 15 hours on tablet alone without recharging. When I'm traveling, it stays mostly in 'laptop' form such as sitting in a ship cabin, hotel room, or DVC villa - so while there, it functions very much like a laptop, but one with nearly 20 hour battery life...which means I can use it for a 5-day Disney trip and never have to charge or plug in. It works well for me. I wanted maximum overall battery life in a netbook replacement, and this type of device is perfect. The full core processor machines kill the battery life too quickly for me - so those machines just din't fit my needs.

The price points are so close together, why would I get the slower machine for just a little less?

You should get the machine that best fits your needs, regardless of price. If the Surface met your needs best, then you got the right one. If the Asus met my needs the best, then I got the right one. It's that simple. 'Slower' machine meant nothing to me - the extra speed of the faster processor would be completely wasted for me, as I'd never need or use it. On the other hand, the things I paid for were the more laptop-like build and the longer battery life. Those were two things I considered more important - for someone intending to work off the tablet portion more often, the keyboard base wouldn't have much merit - but for a person intending to use it in laptop mode much of the time, the proper keyboard base's full travel chiclet keys and feedback as well as the much nicer balance of the base (it doesn't tip over backwards no matter what angle and doesn't need the kickstand to support it upright), are big selling points.

I'm going to leave it at that - get the device that works best for you...I'm starting to feel like I'm advertising for Asus now, and I don't mean to or want to (since they're not paying me, I've got no motivation to shill for them! - I just don't agree with blanket statements that one type or brand 'beats the pants off' another without taking into consideration what the user wants or needs) - Acer, Lenovo, Toshiba, etc - there are plenty of nice tablet designs out there that come with some form of hybrid laptop ability via attachable keyboards, keyboard covers, flip over designs, etc. All are different takes on the same thing. You can get them with faster processors, or better battery life, better as tablets, better as laptops, real keyboard bases or lighter touchpad type keyboard covers, and all kinds of different selling points. They're all fine - just pick the one that works best for your own priorities.
 
Is this the one mentioned earlier that can run Windows or Android? That plus the keyboard makes it a very attractive choice. I want to play with one but there is no release date yet that I can find.

Yes this is the one I mentioned earlier. My coworker and I were looking at this tablet for our office, and saw Adorama had it on their site in inventory with a price of $1400. I think they may have jumped the gun a bit as the item is no longer available to place in your cart.

Any case, $1400 doesn't seem too bad for a decently spec'd laptop/tablet (a bit low on ram, only 4gb) that just happens to also run android, support a wacom digitizer and has a gorgeous high res screen, not to mention ~9 hrs of battery life!
 
Speaking of tablets... one that really is a Cintiq

http://cintiqcompanion.wacom.com/en/

Edited to add... and the cheaper Companion Hybrid can be used as a stand alone Android tablet or you can take it over to your desktop and use it as a regular Cintiq.
 
For what it's worth, I use a Surface Pro as well, and I think it's a dream. I can't get into the intense specs that you guys have, but I love, love, love mine.
 
Speaking of tablets... one that really is a Cintiq

http://cintiqcompanion.wacom.com/en/

Edited to add... and the cheaper Companion Hybrid can be used as a stand alone Android tablet or you can take it over to your desktop and use it as a regular Cintiq.

I saw this the other day on one of the tech websites i follow... Pricing is pretty steep! It's almost as expensive as a regular cintiq... its just smaller and portable :oP
 
It really depends on how much you want to spend. There are a lot of options. I'd pass on the iPad or an Android tablet for this job. It's just not where they excel. Netbooks and Chromebooks can get the job done, and there are some really nice Windows 8 tablets that bridge the gap between laptop and tablet that would work very well here. There are also a number of laptops that are very thin and light that can more than do the job. But it all comes back to how much you want to spend.


Another option with any device is to use cloud storage. Like with an iPad get the camera connect kit and then use cloud storage. Of course that relies on a decent internet connection and we all know how reliable WDW is in that respect. So I figure it's probably the most time consuming option of them all.

Netbooks don't come with a built-in CD/DVD writer, and the latest ones don't accept the software for the writers.
 
Netbooks don't come with a built-in CD/DVD writer, and the latest ones don't accept the software for the writers.

Burning CD/DVDs is built into Windows... every Windows PC has CD/DVD Writer support.... if your machine lacks a drive you just have to purchase a external unit and plug it in via USB when it's needed (some are even bus powered so you don't have to plug it into the wall).
 
Burning CD/DVDs is built into Windows... every Windows PC has CD/DVD Writer support.... if your machine lacks a drive you just have to purchase a external unit and plug it in via USB when it's needed (some are even bus powered so you don't have to plug it into the wall).

I didn't make myself clear. I purchased a net book back in May of this year, and I have an external CD/DVD writer that has USB capability.
 












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