Compensation after returning from cruise?

Never mind the fact that the wipes do nothing to kill noro. The best thing they can be used for is what my wife uses them for. She holds on to hers and uses it to pick up the spoon/tongs when she serves herself at the buffet. Works almost as well as a pair of disposable gloves.

Noro is not the only thing crawling around those ships. I'm just saying - it takes, like, five seconds to take a wipe, use it and toss it in a trash can. You often can do it without even breaking your stride.

Right before you walk into Cabanas, you've probably grabbed hand-rails, pushed buttons, opened doors, held the hand of a little kid who might have had their fingers in their nose, or their hands on the carpet five minutes ago, etc.

DCL almost literally could not make it any easier for you to engage in some heightened hygiene before handling serving spoons, tongs, etc.
 
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Never mind the fact that the wipes do nothing to kill noro. The best thing they can be used for is what my wife uses them for. She holds on to hers and uses it to pick up the spoon/tongs when she serves herself at the buffet. Works almost as well as a pair of disposable gloves.

If I'm eating in the buffet, I take the wipe and clean my hands with it, keep it until after I have selected my food and drink and then use it again just before eating.
 
Let's just face it. Cruise ships are nasty, festering petri dishes. Fill them with a larger group of children than is normal on a cruise ship and they become even nastier, because kids don't really think about hygiene since they're too busy being kids and haven't really thought about it. The more you protect yourself the better off you will be.

That said, the Fantasy is my favorite petri dish. It's like my own little cesspool colony. :D
 
Never mind the fact that the wipes do nothing to kill noro. The best thing they can be used for is what my wife uses them for. She holds on to hers and uses it to pick up the spoon/tongs when she serves herself at the buffet. Works almost as well as a pair of disposable gloves.

Can you cite where you are getting your information from? There are a number of wipes and liquid sanitizers that do kill the norovirus, but there are a great many that do not (most of the easily accessible ones at local US stores unfortunately). I would highly doubt that the cruise lines would spend the money or the effort to utilize a product that does nothing to combat the #1 virus they are trying to prevent.
 

Can you cite where you are getting your information from? There are a number of wipes and liquid sanitizers that do kill the norovirus, but there are a great many that do not (most of the easily accessible ones at local US stores unfortunately). I would highly doubt that the cruise lines would spend the money or the effort to utilize a product that does nothing to combat the #1 virus they are trying to prevent.

The wipes they give are not alcohol-based, or weren't last I knew of, but even alcohol-based wipes don't do much.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/14/really-the-claim-hand-sanitizer-stops-norovirus-spread/

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/norovirus-why-washing-your-hands-isnt-enough-1C8143996

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/737884

http://www.cdc.gov/Features/Norovirus/


  • Practice proper hand hygiene
    Wash your hands carefully with soap and water, especially after using the toilet and changing diapers and always before eating or preparing food. If soap and water aren't available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer. These alcohol-based products can help reduce the number of germs on your hands, but they are not a substitute for washing with soap and water.
 
I don't know all the ins and outs of travel insurance, but I don't think you'd get reimbursed if you had it. You would likely get reimbursed if you missed the cruise due to your DD's illness, but you were on the ship and you did take the cruise. I don't think you'd get reimbursed in that case, either.
Actually, every travel insurance policy I've ever looked at (and I've looked at TONS) *would* have reimbursed the OP. A stomach virus under most circumstances would not be considered a pre-existing condition, so the time missed out of the cruise due to being quarantined should be compensated for as "Trip Interruption". You'd get a pro-rated amount to cover the percentage of your cruise that you missed out on. This is definitely one of the reasons to get trip insurance, especially for cruises, where it's really easy to pick up bugs, and they'll quarantine at the drop of a hat for anything stomach-related. You'd need documentation from the ship of who was quarantined (including the parent to take care of a child) and for how long.

Sayhello
 
The wipes they give are not alcohol-based, or weren't last I knew of, but even alcohol-based wipes don't do much.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/14/really-the-claim-hand-sanitizer-stops-norovirus-spread/

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/norovirus-why-washing-your-hands-isnt-enough-1C8143996

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/737884

http://www.cdc.gov/Features/Norovirus/


  • Practice proper hand hygiene
    Wash your hands carefully with soap and water, especially after using the toilet and changing diapers and always before eating or preparing food. If soap and water aren't available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer. These alcohol-based products can help reduce the number of germs on your hands, but they are not a substitute for washing with soap and water.

I'm not disputing at all that washing your hands is the best way to prevent illness including norovirus.

Your post had said the wipes (or on other cruise lines the liquid) do not kill the norovirus, which I believe to be incorrect information. There are products out there, including alcohol based products, that will kill the norovirus. All I was wondering is if you knew specifically what product they used so we would all know vs just making an assumption.

http://germstar.com/us/eshop/index.php/noro-hand-sanitizer/16oz-sanitizer-bottles-12-noro.html
 
Your post had said the wipes (or on other cruise lines the liquid) do not kill the norovirus, which I believe to be incorrect information.

Did you even read the articles I posted? Specifically the second article, which references a 2011 CDC study? The wipes are disinfection theatre and do little to nothing to stop the spread of noro (see the quote below). It only takes enough of the virus that fits on a head of a pin to sicken 1000 people. If you really think kids (and most adults, honestly) are using the wipes adequately to get under nails, etc., especially when the trash cans are just past the person handing out the wipes, then there's not much else I can say except you give humanity more credit than I ever will. I think they should have a bank of hand washers like the kids clubs have, and you don't get to eat until you've used them. Those things are amazing.

When it comes down to it, people are nasty and it only takes one person lying on the health form (You can be contagious for up to two weeks after you stop showing symptoms, fwiw) and bringing an infected person on board to sicken a goodly portion of the entire ship.

Studies show that alcohol-based sanitizers, particularly those with 60 percent ethanol or more, can reduce microbial counts on contaminated hands and reduce the spread of some strains of the flu. But against norovirus, the severe gastrointestinal illness gripping many parts of the country, they may be useless. Some viruses, like influenza, are coated in lipids, “envelopes” that alcohol can rupture. But non-enveloped viruses, like norovirus, are generally not affected.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21411187
 
Did you even read the articles I posted? Specifically the second article, which references a 2011 CDC study? The wipes are disinfection theatre and do little to nothing to stop the spread of noro (see the quote below). It only takes enough of the virus that fits on a head of a pin to sicken 1000 people. If you really think kids (and most adults, honestly) are using the wipes adequately to get under nails, etc., especially when the trash cans are just past the person handing out the wipes, then there's not much else I can say except you give humanity more credit than I ever will. I think they should have a bank of hand washers like the kids clubs have, and you don't get to eat until you've used them. Those things are amazing.

When it comes down to it, people are nasty and it only takes one person lying on the health form (You can be contagious for up to two weeks after you stop showing symptoms, fwiw) and bringing an infected person on board to sicken a goodly portion of the entire ship.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21411187

Yes I did read the articles you linked to. Here is one from the CDC that contradicts what you have previously posted.

"Some scientific evidence suggest that ethanol-based hand antiseptics containing 60-90 percent alcohol, appear to be the most effective against common pathogens (including non-enveloped viruses) that cause acute gastroenteritis on cruise ships."

https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/vsp/cruiselines/hand_hygiene_general.htm

At the end of the day we can go back and forth all day on this issue. All I was trying to do was point out that you simply cannot make a blanket statement saying that these options do absolutely no good, which is incorrect. You are spot on in that it only takes 1 person to infect the entire ship, that confined space and so many people it's just a matter of statistics, and I think we can both agree there is probably more than 1 on every cruise.
 
Never mind the fact that the wipes do nothing to kill noro. The best thing they can be used for is what my wife uses them for. She holds on to hers and uses it to pick up the spoon/tongs when she serves herself at the buffet. Works almost as well as a pair of disposable gloves.
Ooooo...good idea!
 
Let's just face it. Cruise ships are nasty, festering petri dishes. Fill them with a larger group of children than is normal on a cruise ship and they become even nastier, because kids don't really think about hygiene since they're too busy being kids and haven't really thought about it. The more you protect yourself the better off you will be.

That said, the Fantasy is my favorite petri dish. It's like my own little cesspool colony. :D

I like to think I'm building my immune system to live longer!
 
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Actually, every travel insurance policy I've ever looked at (and I've looked at TONS) *would* have reimbursed the OP. A stomach virus under most circumstances would not be considered a pre-existing condition, so the time missed out of the cruise due to being quarantined should be compensated for as "Trip Interruption". You'd get a pro-rated amount to cover the percentage of your cruise that you missed out on. This is definitely one of the reasons to get trip insurance, especially for cruises, where it's really easy to pick up bugs, and they'll quarantine at the drop of a hat for anything stomach-related. You'd need documentation from the ship of who was quarantined (including the parent to take care of a child) and for how long.

Sayhello

are you sure about your definition of trip interruption coverage?
it was my understanding that trip interruption insurance covers the costs incurred if you have to return home earlier or later than you originally planned. And also reimburses you for any non-refundable portions of unused, prepaid travel arrangements.

in other words, even if the OP had purchased insurance, they wouldn't have been covered in the situation she describes (other than for any medical costs she incurred)

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are you sure about your definition of trip interruption coverage?
it was my understanding that trip interruption insurance covers the costs incurred if you have to return home earlier or later than you originally planned. And also reimburses you for any non-refundable portions of unused, prepaid travel arrangements.

in other words, even if the OP had purchased insurance, they wouldn't have been covered in the situation she describes (other than for any medical costs she incurred)

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Obviously it depends on the policy, but I am quite certain that *many* policies include quarantine as a covered event under Trip Interruption. Anyone looking to purchase for that reason, or make a claim, of course needs to verify that with the travel insurance company.

I personally know people who have had a quarantine claim paid.

Sayhello
 
Another agreement with others, I doubt that they are going to reimburse you anything. Hard to prove she got it on board and it was just bad luck. I've been on a number of vacations where I spent the majority of them either in the bed being sick or injured. Sucks but not much you can do about it.

I sent an email to DCL about my luggage being broken (was fine at 10:00 PM when put in hall, wheel broken off when I got it in the yellow CHip and Dale section). Got off the ship Sat, emailed Sat. No reply as of yet, Monday at 2:30. We will see....
 
We have a child (a perfectly healthy child) who gets sick EVERY cruise. We have tried it all, but it never fails. If we are lucky, it is 24 hours. I was always sick as a kid and then by about age 12, I pretty much never got sick again, so i do think kids who are sick a lot end up with stronger immune systems as adults. So we just deal with it. Hubby brings extra books and work because he prefers sick duty. We are happy if we make it to Castaway Cay together (happened once). We would never think to ask dcl for compensation or "good will." Silly. That would mean they would have to compensate us for EVERY cruise. lol.
 
*edit I just got off the Fantasy yesterday. Sorry your child got sick. We are seasoned Disney cruisers (platinum), and I just had to mention that there was a lot of illness on our cruise. (11/26) (probably norovirus, lots of running into throw up in the dining rooms and hallways) I was alerted as soon as I saw the buffet plates gone, soft serve that had a crew member getting it for you and the ultimate was all the drink stations manned by crew during the day and disabled at night with a sign stating you can order drinks from room service. The family hot tub was also closed down and the Goofy and Mickey pool drained numerous times....

I was on that cruise. At dinner on the second night in the Royal Court just as we finished we noticed a CM at the table behind us. He had on a face mask, heavy gloves and was clearing everything off the table and putting it into a heavy duty garbage bag. We all looked at each other and said that we expected to start seeing lock down on the buffet and such shortly. Never saw that family again at dinner. As expected, the next day everything was handed to you. You couldn't even get sugar packets on your own at Cabanas - you had to ask someone to give them to you. One of our travel mates talked to a CM who said that if the CDC says you have to go to some set of procedures when X number of people get sick and higher procedures when Y get sick, DCL goes to the Y procedures when X number get sick or at least goes to higher procedures when X number get sick than they are required to. No idea if this is true or not. I didn't have any sense that there were a lot of people who were sick (but would I even know?) so perhaps they do go a bit overboard. If so, I'm happy that they do. None of us got sick so who knows if that was luck or DCL taking precautions.

It is a little inconvenient always having to ask someone to put food on your plate as they never pick what you would or put the right amount on but we all agreed it was better than getting sick. Of course, the worst part for us was that we had to ask for the soft serve ice cream so it became very obvious to the CM how many times you went up. It got to the point that they never asked which flavour we wanted, they all knew :earboy2:. Didn't stop us from overindulging in it.

In 9 cruises and 3 extended overseas trips over the last 40 years I have purchased Travel Insurance just once.

We nearly always purchase travel insurance, not so much to cover the loss of the bookings but more to cover unexpected issues while on vacation. I'm more concerned, especially with a cruise, with the cost of evacuation, overseas or international medical costs, last minute travel arrangements, and incidental costs such as additional unexpected hotel stays for family members. The only times we haven't purchased travel insurance is if we're just going to WDW. We figure we can absorb the cost of losing the hotel and tickets and emergency flights back won't be too expensive. We have out-of-country medical insurance through work so that isn't an issue. But the potential cost of evacuation from a cruise is of more concern to us and the farther away we go, or if we go to places where I wouldn't want the cheapest of medical care options, the more likely we are to purchase travel insurance.

We've never had to collect on insurance but my father has had to use his three times - twice for delays due to snowstorms (he will insist on travelling during the winter) and once last year when he got a lung infection while on holiday in Spain. He spent 9 days in hospital, leaving 3 days later than planned, and then had to have a medical escort with oxygen accompany him on the plane and they had to travel first class because of the need for extra space and faster boarding. He figures it cost about $40,000. Boy was he glad to have insurance. I figure he's not only got his money's worth out of insurance, he's got ours as well.
 
Dh and I have sat around the adult pool a lot and have discussed how some of the adults keep drinking but never get out of the pool. There is just no way you can drink 5 beer and not have to use the restroom. For that reason alone we seldom use the adult pool after eleven in the morning. Its not just the family/kids pools that you need to be leery of. Puts a whole new meaning on pea soup. :crazy2:

You could say the same thing about the Margaritaville Falmouth pool. Their men's room (at least the one near the bar where I was drinking) literally has one urinal and one stall, and it was empty the couple of times I went in there, but the pool was *full*. We won't even talk about the number of people who didn't wash their hands.
 
We nearly always purchase travel insurance, not so much to cover the loss of the bookings but more to cover unexpected issues while on vacation. I'm more concerned, especially with a cruise, with the cost of evacuation, overseas or international medical costs, last minute travel arrangements, and incidental costs such as additional unexpected hotel stays for family members. l.

You certainly are buying piece of mind. My cruises have all been to the Caribbean, Hawaii and Alaska so any medical evacuation would be provided for free by the U.S. Coast Guard since I am a U.S. Citizen. And as I mentioned (I think ) earlier, our health insurance is good world wide, and not everyone's employer provides that kind of coverage. And I as I have posted in other threads, you should never leave home without enough cash or available credit for last minute travel arrangements and incidental costs since, while Travel Insurance will reimburse you for those covered expenses, you have to pay them out of pocket.
 

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