Commerical Use Policy Update - New Thread!

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only care about stuff like the view if I have people with me that might care. Then I try to book Boardwalk View.

Once I’ve had a view, I kinda lose interest and always go for the lower points. I’m super glad my stay this month at BLT for the first time will be a theme park view. But if I stay at BLT again, I will not be paying for TPV.

Based on availability patterns, it seems to be a trend among DVC. I am always shocked that the Savannah view rooms don’t book up first that’s the one resort where I feel like view is everything.

 

[Sandisw]

Right they can make exceptions or ignore activity.

I used the transfers for money example first because that is more of the ignore side.

If nobody is telling DVC that their reservations are rentals (and DVC isn't inquiring about it) then they are just ignoring the rules (just like they do if you don't actually mention you are doing a paid transfer). There are public forums where people are posting transfers for money. DVC knows it is going on, they just most likely don't want the hassle of policing it. Could be something similar here

Sure but if you ask DVC if you can make a reservation for yourself and then change it to a renter when you have one, and they say yes, that is allowed under current rules, then not sure how that means anything other than exactly that?

In practice, DVC confirms all lead guest changes, including when you inform them it’s a renter.

Of course, it can change and at any time, DVC can decide to stop owners from changing pre booked reservations into the names of others, specifically renters.

But, as of today, they have told owners that changing the name on a reservation that has already been booked into a renter’s name as long as you notify them at that time it’s become a rental, you are not in violation of any rule.

Now, if someone gets something directly from DVC management, in which they answer them differently then how they answered me, they should definitely share.

This way, we can all hold DVC accountable for being inconsistent with owners.

Which goes back to why having things defined as specific as possible can only benefits owners.

If DVC were to update the HRR to say that you can not turn a pre booked reservation to a rental It would clear this up in seconds.

One thing I do think they have to overcome though is for owners with fixed weeks.

They bought and paid extra to have a very specific week and room type booked.

They should be allowed to rent what they bought in the years when they can’t use it.

 

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One thing I do think they have to overcome though is for owners with fixed weeks.

I keep reading the rules for my new fixed week. And I feel like they have it covered. Right now they specifically allow name changes without canceling the reservation. However, pretty much any other change it looks like I have to call member services to remove the fixed week or cancel the reservation.

 

[Sandisw]

I don't think I changed logic anywhere? Something I said must have been misunderstood

Both clauses both when isolated, and within their original context do not change the meaning of the clauses.

ETA: One is talking specifically about a rule just for rentals, and the other is talking about all reservations. Is that where the hang-up is?

I added the quote as an example on how I could see an owner, especially a new one. who is trying to figure out the rules surrounding renting on whether they can rent a reservation already booked.

I think that clause could be seen as giving an owner, who may be looking for the answer, the impression that you can make first, and add a renters name later.

Which is why we can have this discussion because there is so much information in all different places that could be used to support two different positions.

When you add in what DVC actually allows and tells people what the rules are, it can be even more confusing.

If the intent of the contract when it comes to renting is that you have to have a renter first, and not everyone reads it the same way, then DVC needs to update the HRR to be more direct.

Not sure why anyone would not want that from DVC…

To add, the HRR has been updated several times over the years, with the most recent update in late December 2024 when they replaced the transfer rules with the new ones.

So, it’s easy to do and they have had plenty of time to update written documents, including the 2011 policy.

They have not and only they know why. But what we do know, that even with no offical document changes, they are telling owners that certain things are still allowed under the rules.

 

[Cyberc1978]

I keep reading the rules for my new fixed week. And I feel like they have it covered. Right now they specifically allow name changes without canceling the reservation. However, pretty much any other change it looks like I have to call member services to remove the fixed week or cancel the reservation.

I never had a FW if you cancel will you get the points back that cover the week or will you get all the points back that was purchased?

Normally when you purchase a FW you buy around 10% xtra points. That way if DVC change the point chart you should be covered - if you are not its on DVC to cover any balance.

 

[Sandisw]

I keep reading the rules for my new fixed week. And I feel like they have it covered. Right now they specifically allow name changes without canceling the reservation. However, pretty much any other change it looks like I have to call member services to remove the fixed week or cancel the reservation.

Good which means, at the very least, owners of fixed weeks would be technically spec renting.

Maybe this has something to do with why they haven’t stopped owners of regularly booked reservations from doing the same?

 

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Good which means, at the very least, owners of fixed weeks would be technically spec renting.

Maybe this has something to do with why they haven’t stopped owners of regularly booked reservations from doing the same?

I doubt that , I really think DVC is in its own "bubble" and does not see the issues like we do.

 

[Sandisw]

Another thing to remember is that I think all of us agree that there is a difference between an owner in it for commercial purposes who is reserving a lot of rooms on spec, especially hard to get rooms, and owners who may be booking an individual reservation here or there to offer as a confirmed reservation.

There are also times when emergencies happen and someone may need to find a renter to take over the reservation for rent.

I personally think it should be very easy to come up with language that stops the first without penalizing owners who do the second.

 

[Sandisw]

I never had a FW if you cancel will you get the points back that cover the week or will you get all the points back that was purchased?

Normally when you purchase a FW you buy around 10% xtra points. That way if DVC change the point chart you should be covered - if you are not its on DVC to cover any balance.

All points purchased come back.

 

[Tatebeck]

Once I’ve had a view, I kinda lose interest and always go for the lower points. I’m super glad my stay this month at BLT for the first time will be a theme park view. But if I stay at BLT again, I will not be paying for TPV.

Based on availability patterns, it seems to be a trend among DVC. I am always shocked that the Savannah view rooms don’t book up first that’s the one resort where I feel like view is everything.

Savannah view and BWV Boardwalk view I am a sucker for. If available in my room type I am almost always going to choose them. Others I am pretty meh on, mostly because they overpromise. You can get a TPV and have an amazing view or a view of a tree. It's not worth the gamble for the point cost unless you are almost guaranteed a great view

 

[Cyberc1978]

Savannah view and BWV Boardwalk view I am a sucker for. If available in my room type I am almost always going to choose them. Others I am pretty meh on, mostly because they overpromise. You can get a TPV and have an amazing view or a view of a tree. It's not worth the gamble for the point cost unless you are almost guaranteed a great view

I can’t get myself into spending extra points on a TPV and then I get a parking lot view. I know I can see the fireworks in the evening but for the rest of the time I see a parking lot.

 

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I can’t get myself into spending extra points on a TPV and then I get a parking lot view. I know I can see the fireworks in the evening but for the rest of the time I see a parking lot.

Parking lots do not bother me , but I have an AP so if I want to see fireworks especially MK, the best view is on Main street

Thats why I want to experience TPV at BLT since it is supposed to be the best TPV , I have done wicked wind down at TOTW and it was ok but the angle was off for the projections.

 

[Judique]

Once I’ve had a view, I kinda lose interest and always go for the lower points. I’m super glad my stay this month at BLT for the first time will be a theme park view. But if I stay at BLT again, I will not be paying for TPV.

Based on availability patterns, it seems to be a trend among DVC. I am always shocked that the Savannah view rooms don’t book up first that’s the one resort where I feel like view is everything.

I'm not shocked that Savannah view is not booked up first. There is very little you can't see at AKV that can't be seen walking through the halls, walking outside to the firepit area plus animal viewing area and walking around to the playground area and around the pool.

We needed two rooms for our stay there last year and I chose something other than savannah for the 2nd room. We could see the pool - can't remember if that was standard or resort view. Almost certain I'm the only person actually interested in the animals edit (in my family!)

 

[IMMkXLVI]

Yikes. 63 pages? In all that time *since page 15 give or take* what have we learned? Anything concrete from DVC?