Commerical Use Policy Update - New Thread!

[GoingSince1990]

What does "friend" even mean these days when many people have hundreds of Facebook "friends", many of whom they have never met?

 

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What does "friend" even mean these days when many people have hundreds of Facebook "friends", many of whom they have never met?

Of course all forum members here are friends abet friends who may have heated discussions

 

[Girlstar30]

I promise I'll accept whatever answer they give me

I’d say that they are making an effort to remind owners that DVC is for personal use, using the words family and friends to help support that message, and when renting comes up only using it in relation to them.

You could always rent to family and frriends but what they appear to want is for people to draw the conclusion that it’s only family and friends and you can no longer rent to others.

If renting to someone you don’t know is no longer allowed, due to a rule change, then the CM should have been able to answer that question when directly asked.

And she could not… because DVC hasn’t officially made it a new rule.

I feel bad for them though because they are following scripts given to them for how to answer.

 

[Cyberc1978]

Im wondering if the reason why we haven’t heard of any enforcement is the word “friends”

As others have already said a “friend” can more or less be anyone. Back when DVC was founded SoMe wasn’t a thing, it wasn’t anything. A friend on SoMe could just as well be a friend you know IRL or just a friend on SoMe.

Can DVC define what a friend is or even tell you who is or who isn’t your friends?

 

[Girlstar30]

Im wondering if the reason why we haven’t heard of any enforcement is the word “friends”

As others have already said a “friend” can more or less be anyone. Back when DVC was founded SoMe wasn’t a thing, it wasn’t anything. A friend on SoMe could just as well be a friend you know IRL or just a friend on SoMe.

Can DVC define what a friend is or even tell you who is or who isn’t your friends?

Better not have more than 20 friends

 

[TCRAIG]

Im wondering if the reason why we haven’t heard of any enforcement is the word “friends”

As others have already said a “friend” can more or less be anyone. Back when DVC was founded SoMe wasn’t a thing, it wasn’t anything. A friend on SoMe could just as well be a friend you know IRL or just a friend on SoMe.

Can DVC define what a friend is or even tell you who is or who isn’t your friends?

Just sort of wondering - Maybe ‘Friend or Family’ is another way of saying ‘No Need for a Contract’?

 

[Maistre Gracey]

As @mkatsy would say… still trying to nail jello to the tree.

 

[VGCgroupie]

As @mkatsy would say… still trying to nail jello to the tree.

Commercial renters calling everyone their friend

 

[sndral]

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Based on what I was communicated to me by MS, the system somehow identifies memberships for potential violations and business affairs division reviews and takes it from there.

She did not know what would get owners flagged because she said, that is not MS's job....there is job is to confirm any reservations in which an owner agrees it is for personal use, and not if they refuse to do so.

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Based on this it sounds like if an owner refuses to attest to personal use then MS is directed to not confirm the reservation. But, for questions beyond the attestation MS employees have a script & they are sticking to it.
Thus, I doubt that we’ll get much clarity from calling or chatting w/ MS front line workers or their supervisors because they aren’t the ones making the decisions - the folks who could provide more information work in business affairs & I doubt they’re talking. Therefore, I’d hesitate to infer anything from a MS CM’s refusal to be drawn into answering hypothetical questions about what is or is not commercial/personal.
Regarding the language that over 20 is presumed to be commercial - the word ‘presumed’ is the key IMO. The 2011 language placed the burden of proof on the owner w/ more than 20 reservations to prove to DVC that their reservations were for personal use.
However, the next paragraph (as it existed in the past) made it clear that 20 was not the only metric, but, in those other cases there was no presumption of commercial use, so I assume that DVC would be the party that needed to prove that the owner was engaging in commercial use/activity if they decided to take action at under 20.