Commerical Use Policy Update - New Thread!

[ShaneDJ]

People keep using the terms “commercial renting” and “commercial enterprise”, but the term used in what Sandi got today was “commercial use” which isn’t exactly the same thing. “Commercial use” would be any renting for a profit.

Doesn’t matter if it is a business, a small contract owner or how often you do it. They used that term because if they finally take action, that is what they are going to take action on.

Per what Sandi has been told by MS:

• Renting out points is allowed (for "personal" use)
• You can have up to 20 reservations per 12-month period
• If your rental "profit" only amounts to your annual dues, then that is allowed (and is seen as a "no profit" situation by DVC leadership)

 

[Brianstl]

Per what Sandi has been told by MS:

• Renting out points is allowed (for "personal" use)
• You can have up to 20 reservations per 12-month period
• If your rental "profit" only amounts to your annual dues, then that is allowed (and is seen as a "no profit" situation by DVC leadership)

What Sandi got today makes me think that they won’t necessarily be waiting for the 20 rentals before they take action for what they define as profit renting.

 

[Sandisw]

This is the part I have an issue with. Say you never rent your points but life happens and one year you need to rent out your 100 VGF points and that's all you own. This implies that the most you could rent them for would be the cost of dues, which is $7.93 pp. That seems a little ridiculous.

Or are they saying if someone has a pattern of renting points year over year to cover dues, it wouldn't be allowed?

I still think this one would be hard to enforce since it's not in writing and doesn't fit what they've defined as commercial renting.

I can’t imagine that no matter what DVC does that it won’t involve common sense when it comes to evaluating a membership.

So, if they see an owner who appears to have rented all one year but it isn’t a pattern, then I can see them not doing anything because that is the exact example they gave.

The dues things could still be used with the 20 reservations rule for evaluating the first 20.

IMO, they are not mutually exclusive. However, I do think that as long as a policy exists with a definition, that is DVCs offical statement to owners as what they can use as a guideline.

If some owners have gotten the dues metric from MS, I believe owners should keep that in the back of their mind too.

 

[Mouseforward]

What Sandi got today makes me think that they won’t necessarily be waiting for the 20 rentals before they take action for what they define as profit renting.

But lets be real , Have they taken any significant action in in the 14 years this policy has been in place?

 

[Sandisw]

What Sandi got today makes me think that they won’t necessarily be waiting for the 20 rentals before they take action for what they define as profit renting.

I don’t quite interpret it that way. I think the words used about different terms was in direct response to me asking them to confirm that the dues info I was given was accurate. Basically, it’s was from time to time you may here these words related to commercial renting because the MS supervisor used them with me.

The 20 reservations rule counts all reservations across all memberships. So they don’t all have to be rentals.

But, the offical policy does not limit, or define what types can be in the first 20, unless you want MORE than 20 and I personally think that’s an important element of the policy.

Until DVC comes out with something different or we get reports that DVC has decided to interpret the policy in a way that they do cancel reservations or prevent reservations before reaching 20, then I plan to follow it the way I understand it.

Others may see it differently and make a different choice for sure.