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I think that eventually we'll see a dvc open in the garden wing at the contemporary. It just makes too much sense for them not to do it. The only thing that might stop it is if there was a huge drop-off in sales (if people get shaky about gas prices or world situations or whatever) at SSR. Otherwise, I think it is inevitable.
It seems to me that they've had trouble filling the rooms in the garden wings for a while. I say that because there are often pretty deep discounts for those rooms, and when shades of green was undergoing renovations they turned it over for military families to use. I may not be remembering this correctly, but I think that during the big downturn in occupancy when port orleans was closed and the institute was closed and pop century was put on hold that one of the wings was closed, too. I just don't think they are making as much money off the real estate those wings sit on that they could. And if I have confidence in disney doing anything, it is that they will make money if it is sitting right there waiting to be made.
That was the strategy with SSR. They closed the institute because the rooms weren't filling up. They had already announced eagle pines, but they realized that it would be a better move to re-do the insititute as a dvc - they already had some of the facilities in place - than to start from scratch. So they took some rooms that they couldn't fill and made a big chunk of up-front cash off them.
I see no reason why they wouldn't do the same thing at the contemporary. DVC resorts connected to other resorts have worked quite well, and they don't have to pay for as much of the infrastructure as they would in starting from scratch.
But I don't think we'll see it until they get closer to selling out at SSR. There are people who might wait and not buy at SSR if the contemporary was announced. I don't think they want to compete with themselves.
I personally sort of doubt the airstrip site any time soon. It makes a lot more sense to take the under-utilized rooms in the garden wings and convert them to DVC, make the money upfront, and have the lower costs involved with not having to have all the infrastructure from scratch. If they are going to build another large stand-alone resort, it would make as much sense to build eagle pines that they have already announced as it would for the airstrip. That would have golf-course access, be more like old key west, and they could - if they wanted to, and I don't think they'd want to - put in a canal to bay lake just as easily from there as they could with the "proposed waterway" in that picture of the airstrip site. I just don't see the airstrip site being used like that anytime soon.
But that's just imho. Personally I think we'll see contemporary next and then maybe even animal kingdom lodge before we'll see another big stand-alone resort.
It seems to me that they've had trouble filling the rooms in the garden wings for a while. I say that because there are often pretty deep discounts for those rooms, and when shades of green was undergoing renovations they turned it over for military families to use. I may not be remembering this correctly, but I think that during the big downturn in occupancy when port orleans was closed and the institute was closed and pop century was put on hold that one of the wings was closed, too. I just don't think they are making as much money off the real estate those wings sit on that they could. And if I have confidence in disney doing anything, it is that they will make money if it is sitting right there waiting to be made.
That was the strategy with SSR. They closed the institute because the rooms weren't filling up. They had already announced eagle pines, but they realized that it would be a better move to re-do the insititute as a dvc - they already had some of the facilities in place - than to start from scratch. So they took some rooms that they couldn't fill and made a big chunk of up-front cash off them.
I see no reason why they wouldn't do the same thing at the contemporary. DVC resorts connected to other resorts have worked quite well, and they don't have to pay for as much of the infrastructure as they would in starting from scratch.
But I don't think we'll see it until they get closer to selling out at SSR. There are people who might wait and not buy at SSR if the contemporary was announced. I don't think they want to compete with themselves.
I personally sort of doubt the airstrip site any time soon. It makes a lot more sense to take the under-utilized rooms in the garden wings and convert them to DVC, make the money upfront, and have the lower costs involved with not having to have all the infrastructure from scratch. If they are going to build another large stand-alone resort, it would make as much sense to build eagle pines that they have already announced as it would for the airstrip. That would have golf-course access, be more like old key west, and they could - if they wanted to, and I don't think they'd want to - put in a canal to bay lake just as easily from there as they could with the "proposed waterway" in that picture of the airstrip site. I just don't see the airstrip site being used like that anytime soon.
But that's just imho. Personally I think we'll see contemporary next and then maybe even animal kingdom lodge before we'll see another big stand-alone resort.
