College preparedness for parents

Disnee Dad Says........................................ You will need to fill out a FAFSA form. Try to look for a site where you can pretend to fill one out, and it gives you the answers you need. Don't know if it exists, but somewhere....

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So if you have nice assets you are stuck the first year. Move her into her own place and makes sure she pays 51% of her college expenses. By the second year, she should be off your books and get aid.

If you don't have a lot of assets, she will probably get lots of grants and financial aid.

Every college has a financial calculator on their website. You can drop in your financial information and it will tell you what you will be expected to pay (your EFC).

The information in the second paragraph above is not correct in most situations. I'm not sure of the particulars in the OP's case, but this will not work at most schools. Unless your child is over 24 years old, married, or has a child, they will still be considered your dependent when it comes to getting financial aid (at most schools).
 
I have to add to the "well rounded" student.

DD18 did lousy her last 2 years in HS. She hated HS at that point. BUT, she did well on the one and only SAT she took and was involved in lots of stuff: only white girl on Step Team, lots of Speech & Debate awards, wrote a drug awareness commercial and was played on local radio, lots of stuff like that.

She ended up going to state school, but the one private school in the area she applied to, she received a ton of scholarship money, just as much as her friends with the high grades and SAT scores.

I honestly believe it was all the leadership/community stuff that really offset the poor grades.

DS15 is the opposite. He's 6th in his grade of 460 without really trying, gifted program, etc. And although he has lots of friends he is not one to join groups. I told him he needs to find things to participate in this year. He will be a Junior.
 
Disnee Dad Says........................................ You will need to fill out a FAFSA form. Try to look for a site where you can pretend to fill one out, and it gives you the answers you need. Don't know if it exists, but somewhere....

Basically, and these numbers are guesses from 5 years ago, the student is expected to spend 20% of his/her assets per year for college.

The parents was much lower, like 5% if you only had one kid going at a time.

Hint. Liz spent the first year in a dorm. So we provided over 50% of her college expenses (100%), the second year she moved out, so she was independent, but still paid for more than half of her expenses. So no aid. The third year, we were out of the picture for whatever reason. I guess because she lived on her own for a year. So the third year she got financial aid! Oh wait, she finished her B.A. in three years. But she moved to her Masters's she got aid because we didn't count anymore.

So if you have nice assets you are stuck the first year. Move her into her own place and makes sure she pays 51% of her college expenses. By the second year, she should be off your books and get aid.

If you don't have a lot of assets, she will probably get lots of grants and financial aid.

This depends in large part on the state in which the kid attends school. Many of them now use the federal guidelines that apply to the FAFSA, which stipulates that any undergraduate student under age 24 is assumed to be a dependent unless they fit one of the following exceptions: an orphan or ward of the state after age 13, a parent, active duty military or a veteran, or married.

However, some states use a liberal interpretation when it comes to out-of-state students and residency status. Arkansas comes to mind as probably the most liberal in this regard: if you have lived and worked there for a year (even if you live in a dorm) and have had an Arkansas DL while there, you can apply for state resident status and will get it. In that case, if you are a state resident and your parents are not, then you have a compelling case for claiming an independent student status so long as your parents are not claiming you for tax purposes.
 
If you are seeking residency status for an out of state school, know the rules for that state/school in advance. Some are very liberal (as a pp noted), some are nearly impossible.
 

Definitely go to collegeconfidential and read, read, read. You will find forums with hundreds(thousands) of parents and students going through the process--finished with college, attending college, on their way to college. After investing some time the myth, or should I say fantasy that "there is soooo much money out there" will be completely shattered...you will be a realist. The best advice I have is just to zone out when you are told stories about how anybody can get money for college and about all the unclaimed scholarships there are yada, yada. Spend a few hours reading heartbreaking stories from students and parents that bought into that only to discover otherwise after it was too late. Also search for another recent thread here discussing how top student after top student (valedictorians, stellar SATs, distisguished ECs) didn't get a dime.
 
Also search for another recent thread here discussing how top student after top student (valedictorians, stellar SATs, distisguished ECs) didn't get a dime.

These students didn't apply to the right schools. There is a difference in not getting a dime because you insist on going to an Ivy League or other top notch school and not getting a dime because there is no money out there.

There are lower tiered schools willing to pay for the top students if the students are willing to lower their level of school desired. Search for a thread on those schools on collegeconfidential also.

The majority of posters on collegeconfidential are over achievers that expect to go to a great school. Nothing wrong with that, it's just not always a realistic view.
 
Actually college nights aren't all the common around here. I attended when my oldest graduated back in 02, but they don't have any at our DDs school now.

I doubt they go over any type of money issues at orientation. They never have at any we have attended. Actually, I have found most of them to be a waste of time because the information they give out isn't what we have found to be true once the kids actually get to school and start attending class.

Definitely go to collegeconfidential and read, read, read. You will find forums with hundreds(thousands) of parents and students going through the process--finished with college, attending college, on their way to college. After investing some time the myth, or should I say fantasy that "there is soooo much money out there" will be completely shattered...you will be a realist. The best advice I have is just to zone out when you are told stories about how anybody can get money for college and about all the unclaimed scholarships there are yada, yada. Spend a few hours reading heartbreaking stories from students and parents that bought into that only to discover otherwise after it was too late. Also search for another recent thread here discussing how top student after top student (valedictorians, stellar SATs, distisguished ECs) didn't get a dime.

I want to put a like button for both of these comments. I didn't want to quote the the last post because I didn't agree at all.

I can say all 4 of my kids went to college and graduated. I am pretty proud, since the graduation percentage is only 40%.

My kids had grants, scholarships and loans. All of them have at least 30,000 in loans. Our youngest just graduated and she has the least amount, because we helped her out the most and the interest rates were very high compared to her siblings. My two sons both had full time jobs while going to school and they never borrowed for living expenses. My dd worked 3 jobs, had her tuition paid for by the state of Michigan, but since she wasn't a resident she had to pay out of state tuition.

We had a family meeting and me and my dh are helping them out paying off their loans, but they also have to start pounding down their loans and not make just the minimum payments. We all admit this sucks, but student loans will never be forgiven, unless you are a teacher, government worker or go to work on the Peace Corp.
 
About College Confidential: take that site with a grain of salt. If you believe everything that you see there, you would think that only stellar HS students ever get into ANY college, and that doesn't begin to be true.

Most of the folks who regularly hang out on the parent board over there are over-involved parents who have practically made a career out of it, and almost to a one, they won't be satisfied with anything other than a so-called HYPSMC school (that's an annoying acronym for Harvard-Yale-Princeton-Stanford-MIT-Caltech"), so of course they are obsessed with admissions chances.

If you have an average kid who is going to go to a regional state university, CC can be a really scary place. Use it to orient yourself to the issues, but don't take what you see there as gospel.
 
Actually college nights aren't all the common around here. I attended when my oldest graduated back in 02, but they don't have any at our DDs school now.
I doubt they go over any type of money issues at orientation. They never have at any we have attended. Actually, I have found most of them to be a waste of time because the information they give out isn't what we have found to be true once the kids actually get to school and start attending class.

They don't have college night that I know of either, not in our HS.

We attended the orientation today, and, though they didn't go over financial aid specifically for each student, they did go over general stuff that I was not aware of. Also, I did get specific names, so it's good to know the right people to talk to.

I know college confidential is getting pushed here a lot, and it can be a resource, but, I don't want to have to read through reams of info. That is why it is nice to come here and get info and then follow up elsewhere if necessary.
 
These students didn't apply to the right schools. There is a difference in not getting a dime because you insist on going to an Ivy League or other top notch school and not getting a dime because there is no money out there.

There are lower tiered schools willing to pay for the top students if the students are willing to lower their level of school desired. Search for a thread on those schools on collegeconfidential also.

The majority of posters on collegeconfidential are over achievers that expect to go to a great school. Nothing wrong with that, it's just not always a realistic view.


Top tier schools do offer money, but even the Presidential Scholarships at approx 35K are a drop in the bucket compared to the Actual Overall Costs. Costs which Increase yearly and Financial Aid Often Decreases.

From Experience....
As far as Over Achievers not applying to the right schools?? Not so sure about that one ...IF you are Chosen by IVY, you'll likely NOT be contributing much....And many of those students that do get in, dont need the money....

Top Tiers Do offer money and some even Offer full 4 year Academic Scholarships to those Over Achievers you mentioned....;)
I guess Id rather think of those kids as Proactive Dedicated Students that Expect to Succeed and work hard to Achieve there Goals..When kids apply Ivy they generally also apply to those Top Tiers...Competition is fierce.....

As far as the Op goes...College Confidential has some good info,
but look locally also .. at your library to see if they have binders/area where they have organized Scholarship Opportunities for your student. College Info etc....

Ultimately a Student/Family Needs to decide if the Loans/Money is best spent on Undergrad work or better invested at the Graduate level...
So many graduates now cannot even qualify for a car loan never mind a Home loan.....The Huge debts are crushing........the job opportunities are Limited at best....
Financial Considerations should be forefront in College Discussions...

Best of Luck Op and to all those starting out........
 
Top tier schools do offer money, but even the Presidential Scholarships at approx 35K are a drop in the bucket compared to the Actual Overall Costs. Costs which Increase yearly and Financial Aid Often Decreases.

From Experience....
As far as Over Achievers not applying to the right schools?? Not so sure about that one ...IF you are Chosen by IVY, you'll likely NOT be contributing much....And many of those students that do get in, dont need the money....

Top Tiers Do offer money and some even Offer full 4 year Academic Scholarships to those Over Achievers you mentioned....;)
I guess Id rather think of those kids as Proactive Dedicated Students that Expect to Succeed and work hard to Achieve there Goals..When kids apply Ivy they generally also apply to those Top Tiers...Competition is fierce.....

As far as the Op goes...College Confidential has some good info,
but look locally also .. at your library to see if they have binders/area where they have organized Scholarship Opportunities for your student. College Info etc....

Ultimately a Student/Family Needs to decide if the Loans/Money is best spent on Undergrad work or better invested at the Graduate level...
So many graduates now cannot even qualify for a car loan never mind a Home loan.....The Huge debts are crushing........the job opportunities are Limited at best....
Financial Considerations should be forefront in College Discussions...

Best of Luck Op and to all those starting out........

The expectation that you'll receive money at a top tier school is the reason the thread about all the top students who got nothing exists. Competition for entry into or scholarships from the top schools is fierce (as you said). To get a scholarship from one of the few top schools that give them (and by top, I mean top 20), you need to have something the school wants - an athletic or musical talent, be an under represented minority, etc. You usually won't get them just because you're super smart.
 
These students didn't apply to the right schools. There is a difference in not getting a dime because you insist on going to an Ivy League or other top notch school and not getting a dime because there is no money out there.

There are lower tiered schools willing to pay for the top students if the students are willing to lower their level of school desired. Search for a thread on those schools on collegeconfidential also.

The majority of posters on collegeconfidential are over achievers that expect to go to a great school. Nothing wrong with that, it's just not always a realistic view.

I never said that there was no money out there. My point was that parents and students need to educate themselves early rather than later, because the reality of college financing is often a shock. I am not sure why you chose to comment in the way that you did.

I guess an analogy to your comments would be when someone with a Master's degree says, "there are no jobs out there," and someone replies, "Oh really? McDonalds is hiring if you would just lower your standards."
 
BTW, "college nights" where reps visit are not really common in high schools any more. However, IME they are often hosted by local universities. I've taken DS to two of them now; both hosted on local campuses with reps from all over the country.

As to specific advice, your guidance counselor at school should be able to help. He or she will have your student's academic records, what you will need to contribute is a balance sheet showing your famiy income and asset situation. Those two things together will give the counselor an idea of what is and is not possible. You can also hire a professional aid counselor to help if you are in a larger metro area, but be sure that the person is completely above-board; some of those people have been known to suggest strategies that amount to fraud.

Last but definitely not least, make sure that your kid has some skin in this game. By that I don't necessarily mean money of their own, but taking on a lot of the grunt work of gathering information. This is a game of strategy, and if your kid is mature enough to go to college, then he or she should also be mature enough to take part in the process of figuring out how to pay for it.
 
I never said that there was no money out there. My point was that parents and students need to educate themselves early rather than later, because the reality of college financing is often a shock. I am not sure why you chose to comment in the way that you did.

I guess an analogy to your comments would be when someone with a Master's degree says, "there are no jobs out there," and someone replies, "Oh really? McDonalds is hiring if you would just lower your standards."

I'm not trying to be argumentative, just informative. I'm pretty familiar with the topic and agree with parents/students figuring it out early, that's why I like to share what I know.

As to your analogy, that applies if you are Harvard-able and go to a community college (not bashing CCs). There are plenty of good colleges that are not Harvard level, but will provide a great education. It's all in what a family wants & can afford. If you can get in to the top teir and afford it, I'm all for that. If you need to fund education with scholarships (as many middle class families do), you may have to lower your bar. Not saying you have to, just that it's an option if money is an issue.
 
We didn't report to any colleges (mistake since you could report to 4 free and now we have to pay to get them sent).
A small piece of advice: After you "send" to your schools (and pay -- yippee), give it a week or so and then CALL TO VERIFY. It's rare, but I"ve known of a couple students who paid to send "later scores", and the testing people didn't do their end of the bargain. If you don't check, even though it's their fault, you'll have no recourse. I remember one student whose life was significantly impacted by the testing company's mistake! So spend a couple minutes and KNOW that all is well.
Check your local high school website to see if they have scholarship info.
In addition to your individual high school's website, check the county (or school district) website, and check the individual college websites.

Keep checking because new things pop up. As a general rule of thumb, the big-deal, super-competative scholarship information is available in the fall and deadlines tend to fall November-December. Smaller scholarships tend to have January-February-March deadlines.
Definitely go to collegeconfidential and read, read, read. You will find forums with hundreds(thousands) of parents and students going through the process--finished with college, attending college, on their way to college. After investing some time the myth, or should I say fantasy that "there is soooo much money out there" will be completely shattered...you will be a realist. The best advice I have is just to zone out when you are told stories about how anybody can get money for college and about all the unclaimed scholarships there are yada, yada. Spend a few hours reading heartbreaking stories from students and parents that bought into that only to discover otherwise after it was too late. Also search for another recent thread here discussing how top student after top student (valedictorians, stellar SATs, distisguished ECs) didn't get a dime.
Yeah, having taught high school seniors for more than two decades, I assure you that KCrew is totally right. Sooooo much money is not "out there". Scholarship applications are easy to find, and many people are highly motivated to apply. I've never known a single person to win a left-handed or red-haired scholarship. Most students do not receive a dime in scholarship money.

Having said that, you should search! Many scholarships are unique, and only a handful of students qualify. Someone will win, but if you don't apply, it won't be you! TRY . . . but while you're trying, live in the real world and don't expect money to come rolling in, even for a top student. Have in mind a financial back-up so that IF nothing comes together for you, you're not left out.
Top tier schools do offer money, but even the Presidential Scholarships at approx 35K are a drop in the bucket compared to the Actual Overall Costs. Costs which Increase yearly and Financial Aid Often Decreases.
Yes, top schools do offer money . . . but, for example, UNC Chapel Hill has something like 26,000 undergrads, and the school's going to give money to a couple hundred. So, again, be realistic. Your kid may've been a super-star in high school, but at a competitive college EVERYONE was a super-star in high school
Ultimately a Student/Family Needs to decide if the Loans/Money is best spent on Undergrad work or better invested at the Graduate level...
So many graduates now cannot even qualify for a car loan never mind a Home loan.....The Huge debts are crushing........the job opportunities are Limited at best....
Financial Considerations should be forefront in College Discussions...

Best of Luck Op and to all those starting out........
Keep in mind, too, that although "everyone" on these boards talks about their child's future grad school work, the reality is that only 8% of all American adults have a masters' degree. The vast majority of our kids will not need to worry about choosing between undergrad and grad school.
I never said that there was no money out there. My point was that parents and students need to educate themselves early rather than later, because the reality of college financing is often a shock. I am not sure why you chose to comment in the way that you did.
Totally agree. Educate yourself now rather than waiting and expecting that scholarships will appear. If you and your student have in mind a dream school IF everything goes perfectly AND a couple realistic schools, you're safe no matter what happens.

Also, in my experience -- again, two decades, thousands of high school seniors -- MOST scholarship money does not come from the school itself. My own daughter was awarded two scholarships, which total to about half her college costs. Neither was from her university, so she could've applied them to any school.
As to your analogy, that applies if you are Harvard-able and go to a community college (not bashing CCs). There are plenty of good colleges that are not Harvard level, but will provide a great education. It's all in what a family wants & can afford. If you can get in to the top teir and afford it, I'm all for that. If you need to fund education with scholarships (as many middle class families do), you may have to lower your bar. Not saying you have to, just that it's an option if money is an issue.
Harvard-able is a stretch. Here's a situation I see occasionally: I can attend the state flagship, which is a fantastic school and what I really want, but I'll pay full price and probably finish with some moderate loans . . . OR I can attend a mid-tier state school OR a lackluster private school and get about half the cost paid.

This is NOT an option that comes to many students, but it does happen to a few students. I'd estimate it happens to 1-2 students out of every graduating class (we tend to graduate 330-350/year).


In closing, as the parent of a college sophomore, I can assure you that after the first year, it's so much easier. No choices to make, no orientation to attend, little to buy, no new schedules and methods to learn.
 
We have lots of students in private colleges (USC, Loma Linda ,APU) near me or large state schools who also take courses (you have to verify with each school which one and how many units) at our community college. I am a professor there and can tell you that it is not looked down upon by most universities. In fact in my physiology class when I went there for by ADN we had a ton of pre-med students as the professor had a long and diverse background and many MDs had had him.
 
FAFSA. Shall I say that again? You have to do it regardless of whether you think you will qualify for aid or not.

I work in student services at a top tier institution, and since this hasn't been stressed yet, make sure he applies to schools that have what he wants and needs. And make him pick reach schools and safety schools based on his academic background....grades, test scores, activities, etc. It surprises me how many new students each year really want to pursue a major or have academic interests that we just don't offer. If you kid likes x, make sure the school really offers x!

I am mentioning fit for him when you asked about finances. There is nothing more devastating to a family finances than a student not thriving academically at the school their kid selected because the school isn't the right place. Sure, some will still pick wrong, but at least make sure the place is going to be good fit based on things like course and major offerings, activities, type of campus, size of school...and be sure to VISIT!

All schools give out loans, grants, and scholarships. Don't count on scholarships from institutions. You just can't predict that. Have him pick the schools he wants, and make sure he picks a a relatively inexpensive option. If you can, figure out what YOU are willing to pay out of pocket or in parent loans....so he understands the top amount you can pay. That way, when offers and costs come in, if something is out of reach, he will understand if you have to say no.

My school is pricey! But they give out grant money to poor families and rich families pay full price. And it's pretty uniform. I don't think you'll see huge differences in what schools think you as the parent can pay towards you kids education.
 
Our D will be a college sophomore next year, so I've BTDT.
Get a hold of "Paying for College without Going Broke". An excellent book (frequently recommended on College Confidential). Our public library has several copies. Read the whole book. If you want to buy it, it's about $15. It saved us a lot more than that.

Have a conversation about finances BEFORE any applications are filled out. Make it very clear how much you can contribute. You can run a FASFA, and college websites have estimate forms online. Make sure at least one school on the list is a school you can afford and the student is willing to attend--and they are extremely likely to get an admittance. This seems obvious, but it's amazing how often the "safety" school is left off the list.

College Confidential has a fairly good College Search feature, but it's just a starting point. You can customize it to some extent, but then someone needs to research each school...what majors are offered, costs, size, etc. Visit the websites, research financial aid, admit rates, etc.

There are schools that will offer a lot of money to top students. But they mean TOP students. The ACT score of 32 is required for the full ride at Univ of Alabama (out of state). That score is in the 98th percentile. There is a fairly good list, including gpa and required scores on College Confidential, check out this thread:
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com...c-full-tuition-full-ride-scholarships-19.html

Good luck. It's a fair amount of work, a lot of stress, but an exciting chapter in their lives.
 
I didn't read the whole thread but saw that FAFSA was mentioned. Please, for your child, be sure that you complete your paperwork as soon as it can be submitted. I received several excellent grants my first year, but after that my parents didn't complete their taxes on time and I could request financial aid without it. I lost out on all those grants, lost my minimum wage work study program (ended up getting paid $3 an hour) and had to take out loans to make up the difference. My husband had the same problem; we are still paying those loans back.
 












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