College entrance cheating scandal

[NYDisGuy]

My point about "donating buildings" was a response to the notion that this case will somehow be a deterrent to that and seats will go back to the deserving. It won't. The top 20 colleges in the US receive 30% of all donations. We can debate all day where that money actually goes but that's a different topic.

 

[cabanafrau]

I think something that should be very thoughtfully considered amidst this whole scandal is the reality that many of these top universities are also in a long-standing nexus with many positions of great power and wealth in our country. It seems to me it bears some consideration just how many politicians, CEOs and those atop the wealthiest people in America lists also happen to have attended many of these same top universities. What does it really mean if we effectively shrug our shoulders at how the access to these very valuable calling cards is controlled?

 

[bcla]

I agree, and I doubt many folks are. I also agree about the care that is taken with high profile prisoners.

Some of the "concerns" that have recently popped up on this thread sound more from the movies based rather than what happens in real life. Confinement isn't all Rikers Island or Leavenworth.
I used to do business at a place that had minimum security prisoners working there. They went about their day doing their chores. It really wasn't a big deal.

Nonviolent federal sentences are pretty much served in minimum security federal prisons and satellite camps - often referred to as "Club Fed" because they aren't really that tough. Anyone can find pictures of these types of places, which are usually clean and well maintained. They look kind of like the interiors of office buildings or hospitals. I don't think the point is to make the prisoners feel as uncomfortable as possible as punishment, but one is still not free to go and it gets really boring being stuck at one.

But there are still some older state prisons out there for violent criminals. I drive by San Quentin State Prison every once in a while, and from the outside it looks like a stereotypical old-school prison. I understand it looks like that on the inside too. However, most of the newer medium and high security prisons don't look like one would expect from depictions of Arkham Asylum or the scene from Silence of the Lambs. They're sterile and often designed with cells in clusters so that guards have maximum visibility.

 

[bcla]

My point about "donating buildings" was a response to the notion that this case will somehow be a deterrent to that and seats will go back to the deserving. It won't. The top 20 colleges in the US receive 30% of all donations. We can debate all day where that money actually goes but that's a different topic.

A parent (or I suppose grandparent) would have to be really rich to have enough in donations to get admission breaks. Also - public schools typically don't work that way.

 

[NYDisGuy]

A parent (or I suppose grandparent) would have to be really rich to have enough in donations to get admission breaks. Also - public schools typically don't work that way.

There's plenty of loopholes and you don't have to be really rich. Look up developmental and legacy cases. And public schools do work that way.

Edit: Unless you think really rich is 500K-1.5 million in donations over a period of time.

 

[Prince_Hawkins]

Only someone who is very ill informed would begin to think that's a possibility. Those who run the correctional facilities absolutely understand that they will be held liable if a celebrity in particular is harmed while in their custody. A prisoner of status would be assigned a protective custody placement if necessary. Specifically as to those charged in the college scandal at most they will face a medium security facility, most likely minimum security, and would not even be in any type of general population situation with violent felons. As I have said in response to you before, even maximum security facilities are not rampant with the rape culture as you suggest. That culture seems more likely to flourish much better via a system of deliberate denials on college campuses these days.

What do you mean by a "protective custody placement"...???

 

[Prince_Hawkins]

I don't think it's that any of it is running rampant or anyone truly believes it is. I think it's that so many seem to WANT it to happen for whatever reason. It kinda makes me sick.

^------------ THIS

 

[cabanafrau]

What do you mean by a "protective custody placement"...???

You've insisted you have knowledge that the culture in America's correctional institutions is systemically abusive, yet you don't understand what a protective custody placement is?

Certain prisoners deemed to be potentially of heightened risk are given placement in areas that have restricted access, thereby eliminating or reducing the potential risks.

 

[kaytieeldr]

You've insisted you have knowledge that the culture in America's correctional institutions is systemically abusive, yet you don't understand what a protective custody placement is?

Use of the word placement in this context is atypical. I can understand even a knowledgable expert asking for clarification.

 

[Imzadi]

protective custody placement is?

Certain prisoners deemed to be potentially of heightened risk are given placement in areas that have restricted access, thereby eliminating or reducing the potential risks.

Isn't this sort of what Bill Cosby is going through? Last I heard, he hasn't been released to the general public as they didn't know how the prison population would react to him. While it has been reported to be favorable. The inmates still consider him a favorite celeb who happens to be there. They get to wave & cheer at him from afar. No one gets up close to speak to him. The prison is being very careful as to where he goes, what he has access to, who has access to him, and always has guards around him when he is allowed out of his cell. I think I read that he gets one hour outdoors, but he is always alone (with a couple guards.)

 

[longboard55]

I think the FBI has better things to do

 

[lifesavacation]

I think the FBI has better things to do

I sort of agree with you. But keep in mind, this uncovered millions in fraudulent charitable donations. I doubt the IRS would have discovered this on their own.

 

[cabanafrau]

Use of the word placement in this context is atypical. I can understand even a knowledgable expert asking for clarification.

Actually not atypical.

 

[cabanafrau]

Isn't this sort of what Bill Cosby is going through? Last I heard, he hasn't been released to the general public as they didn't know how the prison population would react to him. While it has been reported to be favorable. The inmates still consider him a favorite celeb who happens to be there. They get to wave & cheer at him from afar. No one gets up close to speak to him. The prison is being very careful as to where he goes, what he has access to, who has access to him, and always has guards around him when he is allowed out of his cell. I think I read that he gets one hour outdoors, but he is always alone (with a couple guards.)

I'm sure he is, particularly as he would be likely to qualify for some sort of protective placement as a non celebrity given his age and supposed physical infirmities. The notable difference in his circumstance is that his conviction also probably required detention at a maximum security facility, which is not the case for anyone who faces incarceration in the college scandal. I believe Bernie Madoff is detained at a medium or minimum security facility because his crimes are also classified as non violent.

 

[Imzadi]

I think the FBI has better things to do

Actually the majority of the work the FBI does is white collar, paper pushing stuff like this. They were actually investigating some other random embezzlement scheme, and that perp gave them the lead on this case as part of a deal he made for lesser charges. They had actually no clue this was going on till that guy squealed.

 

[Imzadi]

What I am NOT fine with is those who are gleefully cheering on the idea that celebrities should be thrown into cell blocks with the general population so they can be harassed, beat up, and/or raped.

Are you talking about any people on THIS thread saying that? Or just what you've read on social media, in general? I'm not aware anyone even remotely said anything like that here.

Some of us have said we'd like them to do some prison time. As they are used to just forking over money to get their way. Paying more money as a punishment doesn't seem like much of a "punishment" for them. Prison time and some community service, where they would have to spend TIME, not money, would hit them more where it hurts.

Some of us wanting them to go to prison doesn't automatically equate to wanting them to be harassed, beat up, and/or raped. Most of us expect they will go to a cushy prison like Martha Stewart went to for 5 months. She didn't get harassed, beat up, and/or raped. She actually made some friends. One of them crocheted the infamous poncho she wore leaving prison.

 

[Prince_Hawkins]

You've insisted you have knowledge that the culture in America's correctional institutions is systemically abusive, yet you don't understand what a protective custody placement is?

Certain prisoners deemed to be potentially of heightened risk are given placement in areas that have restricted access, thereby eliminating or reducing the potential risks.

So, in other words, like the scenario that Bill Cosby is presently in, as cited by Imzadi...???

Although I still am not certain I understand the arrangement they worked out for Martha Stewart during her incarceration...

 

[tcufrog]

When I studied in college I had to combine work and study to pay my bills. luckily I found academic essays online service that helped me to cope with all those paper works and save some time.

Lots of students work full-time while in school. I, for example, worked three part-time jobs while in graduate school until I landed a full-time job. During this time I was also planning two weddings. I did without committing plagiarism either which is what you just described.

 

[bcla]

There's plenty of loopholes and you don't have to be really rich. Look up developmental and legacy cases. And public schools do work that way.

Edit: Unless you think really rich is 500K-1.5 million in donations over a period of time.

Depends on the school. Even some public schools might give a little leeway if there's some child of a celebrity, but for the most part public schools I know of don't give preferences to legacies. I think a few might give preference to the children of faculty.

But in my reading of these cases, one of the issues was that the cost of entry for many of these elite schools started in the $10 million range before they would consider giving a child a break on the basis of family donations. And the big egg on the face was Dr Dre claiming his daughter got in on her own merits, even though he and his business partner donated $70 million to build a new music building on the USC campus.

 

[tex1989]

Without stepping across the oh so delicate line that is political I would mention that these situations are why many seem to feel that a more socialist form of society would be preferable to what is happening here. I make no comment on socialism, but rather point out that many see it as a way to cure many of these types of situations where the wealthy just buy into, or whatever they want to the detriment of others. I think that these situations have nothing to do with poiltics or forms of government but speak much more to human nature and the ideal that somehow money makes you better, or more equal to anyone else. Human nature and greed drive these situations and will always drive these situations plain and simple.