Coalition

[tgropp]

YES YES YES!!!!
I got an email yesterday and sent along my vote AGAINST!

Please don’t let the parties who didn’t get elected form a coalition government without your say. E-mail the moderator at the Governor General’s office and let her know where Canada stands on this issue!

moderator@gg.ca

Thanks for the e-mail address. I would rather have another election than a coup, which is what this is. .

 

[declansdad]

Thanks for the e-mail address. I would rather have another election than a coup, which is what this is. Shame on Dion's party (Bob Rae, remember him from his glory days as Ontario premier) and the rest of the Layton's croonies. WAIT YOUR TURN. Look up Democracy in the dictionary. I am not a Stephen Harper fan, but it is what the people of Canada voted for.

This is not a coup; it is part of our system. You may not like it but don't make it something it is not.

People don't vote for Steven Harper unless they live in his riding.

 

[Ham Ham]

Me I life in Quebec. I am not separatist. On the other hand at present time the coalition meets the economic need. All that Harper succeeded in doing in Quebec is to give again life to the separatistist has shows to them that for Canada Quebec it is ****. That it will close the government because it is afraid of the vote. It is not worthy to be a Prime Minister. Sad but true because of that Charest gone lose this time. Maybe we all should stop of saying bad thing about Quebec because we are Canadian. Bloc Québecois for now in the coalition maybe would stop separatist of saying we should leave Canada. But now the way Canadian are sayin we are so bad to be in Québec they helping the separatist

Chapeau!
Biens dits.
Le plus part de Canada vous aimes.
Écoutez pas les poires qui parle a travers de leur casque a Ottawa.

 

[naosam]

Merci ! Just one more Thing Prime Minister Harper Should talk in the name of all Canadian. Today Quebec people are style Canadian separatist or not

Chapeau!
Biens dits.
Le plus part de Canada vous aimes.
Écoutez pas les poires qui parle a travers de leur casque a Ottawa.

 

[Belle1997]

Well I think it borders on illegal but is definably ethnically wrong. They started this coalition talks almost the week after the election. There is absolutely no way they did this deal over one weekend. So to me this coalition did not accept the country's election decision.

People are always asking what is Harper's hidden agenda. Funny I never thought the others might have one too. Seems their hidden agenda was a well planned out take control of the government. Since it is legal we can get away with it.

But is it truly the best for Canada. I will take and economist or a lawyer any day. No matter what party they stand for in economic crisis.

Bottom line it is not about the separatists. Quebec should have a say in Government. But they are not truly a federal party. They only represent Quebec. And true to form that is all the leader of the Bloc is talking about not helping Canadians his focus is Quebec and Quebec only. Tough out of the threes amigos he has no hidden agenda you always know what he stands for.

Thus if you truly look at true federal parties that ran candidates across Canada Tories did get the majority of the vote. With so many seats in Quebec I doubt any party can gain a majority anymore. Unless this mess changes peoples prospective and they decide a minority is not a good thing anymore.

Bottom line if anyone thinks this is a good idea. That they should work together then voting by platform should never matter again. Since none of them can stand on any of their platforms. Except Quebec. So I guess Quebec are the lucky ones.

 

[drcandon]

Very interesting debate..I am finally glad to see Canadians actually get hot under the collar about something...

Well, then lets talk about the issues..politics is a strange bedfellow..as the Bloc clearly stated yesterday and they are correct - they supported the Conservative's last time in many many motions of parliament - so despite my misgivings about the party as a whole - they did what is expected of them during active parliament - they did not just sit around and stalemate items...

None of this debate is picking on or centering out the Quebec folks as a whole..just because I personally don't like what the Bloc stands for is not an attack on the people - so whoever thinks this is a rise against separatism is wrong..that being said I beleive it is wrong of Harper to use the separatist card - but then as I said politics is just a bunch of bullies in a small sandbox... on the other hand the Montreal newspapers gave a very interseting visual queue of what the undelying sentiment is...again check it out for yourself before you have an opinion..

Now, lets talk about the speaches last night - well Harper's was what is to be expected from a man about to be pushed around and does not like it...I was not impressed by what he said but it was expected...Dion's on the other hand proves why he was so unpopular during the last election even with his own liberals..he loves to micro manage everything..the speach was late - the quality pathetic - and his thoughts (NOT THE WAY HE SPOKE) but the undelying message was vague and unfocused..again watch it yourself and then read the various "expert" opinions...if this was supposed to be a rebuttal, it was an embarassment..

Now as far as public sentiment and opinion goes..there are quite few NO coalition petitions hitting the Gov general office and from what I understand her advisers are taking them seriously...

I guess we will all find out at 9:30 am today if she agrees or not...

 

[Ham Ham]

We've been porogueied. Please resume smug, partisan posting on Jan 26.

 

[declansdad]

She should have locked them all in a room and told them to stay there until they could work this out.

 

[Tantor]

She should have locked them all in a room and told them to stay there until they could work this out.

That's what I think too.Too bad the GG didn't have the power to do that!

 

[roscoepc1]

I just sent my email to the moderator (thanks, pp, for the address!)...text is below:

"Please be aware that we are completely against the idea of a coalition government, as proposed by the Opposition parties right now. While we realize the option is technically legal, we feel it is a slap in the face of all active voters, who just finished voting for the Government they wanted. To not respect that, is simply un-Canadian, not to mention amoral and manipulative.

Sincerely, "


This is simply wrong. It may be legal, but that doesn't make it right. It would be completely different had we not just HAD an election, or if the elected party were doing something absolutely amoral...but that is not the case...it is simply sour grapes.

 

[naosam]

Me two I just can't blelieve that Mr Harper did the job for the separtist. Today they all saying that Harper his saying that the Bloc His responsible for all that. But he his responsible When the bloc was was good fo him he didn't say nothing about them

Since Mr Harper his saying such bad thing about Quebec Mr Charest we lose monday and Miss Marois will be the big Winner she will be able to say that Mr Harper help her. Mr Harper should do his Job Has a Prime Minister of Canada. I was always proud to be a Canadian but the way his talking about Quebec people who are still Canadians his wrong. We are tax payer and he his suppose to represent us

Mr Harper his all wrong

That's what I think too.Too bad the GG didn't have the power to do that!

 

[declansdad]

I just sent my email to the moderator (thanks, pp, for the address!)...text is below:

"Please be aware that we are completely against the idea of a coalition government, as proposed by the Opposition parties right now. While we realize the option is technically legal, we feel it is a slap in the face of all active voters, who just finished voting for the Government they wanted. To not respect that, is simply un-Canadian, not to mention amoral and manipulative.

Sincerely, "


This is simply wrong. It may be legal, but that doesn't make it right. It would be completely different had we not just HAD an election, or if the elected party were doing something absolutely amoral...but that is not the case...it is simply sour grapes.

I voted, a conservative government isn't the government I wanted. You statement is not completely true.

Steven Harper was given a minority government. In order for a minority government to govern, it must work with the other parties. This govenment never has nor never wil be willing to work with the other parties. For that reason alone, something needs to be done. Is a coalition the solution? I don't know. But running away from the problem is not the way to do it either.

 

[Debbie]

Canada was stunned today when it was announced that The Stanley Cup will be awarded to the Toronto Maple Leafs, possibly as early as December 6, 2008. The cup will be stripped from 2008 playoff champions, Detroit Red Wings and be awarded to the Toronto Maple Leafs, who didn't even make the playoffs.

How is this possible, Canadians ask?

Well, the Leafs have formed a coalition with eastern conference semifinalists, Montreal Canadiens and conference quarter finalists, Ottawa Senators, now outnumbering the Red Wings.

According to current Leaf coach Ron Wilson "the Red Wings have lost the confidence of the league and should hand the cup over immediately to our
coalition".

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman is cutting short a European trip to try to resolve the unprecedented hockey crisis that could force a second playoff series, or see an opposing team coalition take the cup.

 

[laura001]

Canada was stunned today when it was announced that The Stanley Cup will be awarded to the Toronto Maple Leafs, possibly as early as December 6, 2008. The cup will be stripped from 2008 playoff champions, Detroit Red Wings and be awarded to the Toronto Maple Leafs, who didn't even make the playoffs.

How is this possible, Canadians ask?

Well, the Leafs have formed a coalition with eastern conference semifinalists, Montreal Canadiens and conference quarter finalists, Ottawa Senators, now outnumbering the Red Wings.

According to current Leaf coach Ron Wilson "the Red Wings have lost the confidence of the league and should hand the cup over immediately to our
coalition".

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman is cutting short a European trip to try to resolve the unprecedented hockey crisis that could force a second playoff series, or see an opposing team coalition take the cup.

Ok..........now this is funny!

 

[digskat]

"The right to quit your job if you feel you aren't paid enough for your work" is already there. The "right to strike" is nothing more then Gov't workers holding Canadians hostage. It should go. (note this is a sentiment only for Public Service workers, who's very job is to server the public, at the public's expense)

And i already said, that the parties should get their funding through fund raisers, not through a public funds payout.

Both of these issues are selfish and do not serve the public, they only server the political parties.

And i have no idea what any of this has to do with the Bloc except for the fact that they exist.

Wow......is there any possible way you could clarify what the heck you just posted? I am trying to figure out what this has to do with the coalition.

The right to strike movement started in the early 1900's, in the BC mining industry ( they were fightiing for 8 hour days, and a set work week), and wasn't expanded to the 'public service' until the late 60's -early 70's. Strikes are seldom about money, the wildcat strike by jail workers in 1979 was about the right to actually bargain their own contract. The provincial strike in 1996 was about benefits and working conditions, and 2001 was about pension controls, privatization and the decimation of public services by Harris and his cronies. The money lost during a strike is seldom recouped through the additional quarter/hour an employee gets after negotiations (maybe $500/ year). THe labour movement (strikes) have brought Canadians;
Workman's compensation
Occupational Health and Safety Rights
Minimum Wages
Universal Healthcare
Dental and Medical benefits
Pension plans
Vacation
Maternity Leave
Public Holidays
Severance Pay
the 40 hour work week
rest periods between shifts
and the Ministry of Labour Act (in which some Public Servants are exempt from certain rights)

Do you know the difference between a civil servant and a public servant? Government workers (Civil Servants) don't have the right to strike, and Public Servants don't have political alliance, so a Public Servant's right to strike in no way benefits a political party. What it does, is prevent a dictatorial employer from providing their own arbitrator to 'fairly' enforce a contract.

As far as funding of political parties, the Tories are making this motion because they are the party of the 'haves', while the NDP/Green are parties of the 'have nots' (the Liberals have a mix). This will give the Tories a bigger benefit in elections. It is the same as McGuinty's efforts to eliminate all funding for the Green and NDP parties in Ontario, due to low seat totals.

 

[digskat]

No one seemed to mind when the governments of the time forked out tax money to help Alberta beef farmers during mad cow (even shipping it to Ottawa for federaly funded barbecues, while Ontario Beef farmers faced the same dilema) and created the Atlantic Cod fishers transfer funds in the 80s.

Our 'lack of a recession' kind of smells like Mike Harris' balanced budgets in Ontario during the 90s. He balanced his budget on the sale of our assets, and then we faced a large deficit, when we no longer had their income. What are we balancing our GDP on.........mining of resources (Gold, Salt, Uranium, etc), and production of natural resources (oil, natural gas, water). What sustainable product are we exporting? What will we have when we have finished raping our resources?
Our exports are still going down, because we are currently heavily tied to the American Economy, we provide the materials for their industrial economy, and their industrial economy is hurting. What we need to due is tighten our import laws......you want to sell a car here, you make the car here, you make the car in Mexico, you better hope they are buying them. There was a great t-shirt produced shortly after the free trade agreement was signed, that showed a bald eagle molesting a beaver.....what it missed was the burro that had snuck in behind the eagle.

 

[Csaks]

you know what, I did not vote Bloc for a very long time but this whole story made me realized that they are right, the rest of Canada just don't give a damn about us, not even respect our elected representatives....just reading all your reactions and Harper stupid speech...all this awakened my little lost "separatist" flame...and next time I will vote Bloc!!

Vive le Québec libre!!

I'm sorry you feel that way.
I think everyone out here feels the rest of the country doesn't give a damn about their respective home province.

Canada was stunned today when it was announced that The Stanley Cup will be awarded to the Toronto Maple Leafs, possibly as early as December 6, 2008. The cup will be stripped from 2008 playoff champions, Detroit Red Wings and be awarded to the Toronto Maple Leafs, who didn't even make the playoffs.

How is this possible, Canadians ask?

Well, the Leafs have formed a coalition with eastern conference semifinalists, Montreal Canadiens and conference quarter finalists, Ottawa Senators, now outnumbering the Red Wings.

According to current Leaf coach Ron Wilson "the Red Wings have lost the confidence of the league and should hand the cup over immediately to our
coalition".

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman is cutting short a European trip to try to resolve the unprecedented hockey crisis that could force a second playoff series, or see an opposing team coalition take the cup.

Thank you for the morning laugh.

No one seemed to mind when the governments of the time forked out tax money to help Alberta beef farmers during mad cow (even shipping it to Ottawa for federaly funded barbecues, while Ontario Beef farmers faced the same dilema) and created the Atlantic Cod fishers transfer funds in the 80s.

Our 'lack of a recession' kind of smells like Mike Harris' balanced budgets in Ontario during the 90s. He balanced his budget on the sale of our assets, and then we faced a large deficit, when we no longer had their income. What are we balancing our GDP on.........mining of resources (Gold, Salt, Uranium, etc), and production of natural resources (oil, natural gas, water). What sustainable product are we exporting? What will we have when we have finished raping our resources?
Our exports are still going down, because we are currently heavily tied to the American Economy, we provide the materials for their industrial economy, and their industrial economy is hurting. What we need to due is tighten our import laws......you want to sell a car here, you make the car here, you make the car in Mexico, you better hope they are buying them. There was a great t-shirt produced shortly after the free trade agreement was signed, that showed a bald eagle molesting a beaver.....what it missed was the burro that had snuck in behind the eagle.

I take it you didn't like Mikey, Digskat.

 

[Ham Ham]

I could see the leafs and Canadiens forming a coalition but to include the Senators? Now I know this is bunch of jocularity.

 

[dhluvsDisney]

you know what, I did not vote Bloc for a very long time but this whole story made me realized that they are right, the rest of Canada just don't give a damn about us, not even respect our elected representatives....just reading all your reactions and Harper stupid speech...all this awakened my little lost "separatist" flame...and next time I will vote Bloc!!

Vive le Québec libre!!

I'm truly sorry you feel that way. As living in a province that carries the 2nd largest french speaking population, I will say that I believe we all care about our country. We in the prairies have had the same feeling you have. Many an election, our votes didn't even count as the election was called at the Ontario border. I believe that Quebec is fortunate in that they do have a federal voice that is looking after their respective province and only their province. None of us can make that claim. This is not an issue of we don't care....it's an issue of who will truly speak for all of us. In an odd example, if the Bloc would win the majority of seats and form a national gov't, how could they serve the entire country...it is not their party's mandate.
I'm an not looking at anyone getting angry at each other. I believe it's the mess that has been created is what we need to focus a productive anger at. We need to look within how, in the future, parties will govern. Something good will come of this down the road.

 

[Pinkgurlshubby]

As far as I am concerned it's a coup and nothing else. They are acting like a bunch of 5 year olds taking care of their own little agenda.