Cindy Sheehan - Normal?

[Carl]

Actually, what it is, is she likes the media attention. Have you ever noticed how she has this ear-to-ear grin on her face every time she is on TV?

 

[toto2]

I can't speak for everyone, but, for me, it's not her being against the war that makes me think she's mentally unstable. She deliberately got arrested. She's made statements about "occupied New Orleans" because the military was down there trying to save people from the floods and hand out food and water. She's sided with Palestinian terrorists who blow up innocent Israelis. Apparently, THAT violence is OK with her. She calls the terrorists in Iraq killing people "freedom fighters." Those people aren't out killing American soldiers to defend their land, they're killing Iraquis looking for work....innocent Iraqui citizens trying to earn a living are being blown up by these "freedom fighters". Those statements go beyond being against the war. Anyone who thinks the military is "occupying" New Orleans and should leave has gone off the deep end.

As for people supporting the war going out and showing support. There is a group of war moms who staged a counter-protest called "You Don't Speak For Me, Cindy". Ironically, they didn't get much press.

The best I can do is a magnet on my car and a care package to DH's former unit every now and then. With all due respect to Ms. Sheehan, I have a job and can't just travel across the country for months at a time. I agree with her war message....I agree it's time to bring the troops home. But, I don't consider it courageous to break the law and smile while being carried off to prison.

Just to comment that a lot of innocent Palestinians are dying too due to Israely interventions , and that the Palestinians are suffering a lot. It does not take away that The people of Israel are suffering due to the actions of some Palestinians . But the state of Israel was created despite the fact that palestinians had been living there for centuries. ( I have spend a few months on a Kibbuts in Israel , and travel in the country and Palestinian were treated a bit life black people in south Africa a few years back. At the same time I have to say that I admire the jewish people for creating this amazing country out of sand and stone and I do belive that these two nations can and should share this erea.)

Secondly , the 100 000 people in Washinton were not all unenployed people who had nothing better to do with there life than to spend there saturday in a protest. Obvioulsy , I dont expect everyone to have the drive that Cindy has. I know I dont have it , but before this war started , I was in the street at -25 celcius to protest, twice.

lastly , 100 000 people will get more coverage than 400 , it is mathematical. But those 400 peopel have whole tv network ( Fox )that send there message everyday , all day ! So there message is being broadcast.

 

[va32h]

What is wrong with being against the war, any war ? Is it a mental illness to believe something and do anything to change it ?

I end up having to say this in every Cindy Sheehan thread, but nobody ever reads it, I don't know why I bother, but here goes:

I do not think that Cindy Sheehan is crazy for opposing the war.

Let me repeat.

I do not think that Cindy Sheehan (or anyone else for that matter) is crazy for opposing the war.

I do think that her increasing rhetoric, blaming 9/11 on the US policy in Israel, complaining that coverage of the hurricanes overshadowed her protest, that in the year and half since her son died, she has been fired from her job and ended her marriage - I think she is going off the deep end.

Her son has been dead for over a year, but instead of having her grief eased over time, she seems to be getting more angry, more distraught.

Maybe I am projecting - I have a friend whose older sister was sexually assaulted and killed, when friend and I were teens and the sister was in her early 20's. It wasn't a serial killer or anything that was particularly newsworthy - one of many crimes that occur each year, a young girl assaulted and killed by a random person.

Well, my friend's mother became consumed with grief - and would repeatedly talk about her life being over, meaningless, empty. Every holiday revolved around reflecting on the loss of the older daughter, and nothing my friend ever did could even begin to compensate for the loss of her sister. Even a decade later, when my friend got married - her mom could be heard at the reception lamenting that she would never see her older daughter be married or have children. And my friend had grief of her own, which was never acknowledged because her mother's despair overshadowed everything.

Anyway, my point is - my friend has suffered deeply all her life, because her mother was never able to put aside her grief for the child she lost and enjoy the living child she still had. I can't help but wonder how Ms. Sheehan's other children feel about losing their mother as well as their brother.

 

[tiger95]

Actually, what it is, is she likes the media attention. Have you ever noticed how she has this ear-to-ear grin on her face every time she is on TV?

Exactly. She is a media *****. This isn't about her son. It is about her personal beliefs, her son just serves as a stepping stone for her own political agenda.

 

[toto2]

Well, my friend's mother became consumed with grief - and would repeatedly talk about her life being over, meaningless, empty. Every holiday revolved around reflecting on the loss of the older daughter, and nothing my friend ever did could even begin to compensate for the loss of her sister. Even a decade later, when my friend got married - her mom could be heard at the reception lamenting that she would never see her older daughter be married or have children. And my friend had grief of her own, which was never acknowledged because her mother's despair overshadowed everything.

Anyway, my point is - my friend has suffered deeply all her life, because her mother was never able to put aside her grief for the child she lost and enjoy the living child she still had. I can't help but wonder how Ms. Sheehan's other children feel about losing their mother as well as their brother.

But contrary to your friend mother , Cindy has put her grief into action and decided to do something about her grief and what caused her grief.

A little 13 year old girl in Montreal manage to have a petition going accross canda when her older sister got raped and killed a few years ago. She got thousands of signatures of support for her fight about violence on TV , and she meet the Prime Minister , and her action started the ratings and warnings at the beguinning of every tv program in Canada. Grief into action.


Maybe I would not agree with everything Cindy would say, but , the overall message is , for me , a good one

 

[AllyandJack]

Just to comment that a lot of innocent Palestinians are dying too due to Israely interventions , and that the Palestinians are suffering a lot. It does not take away that The people of Israel are suffering due to the actions of some Palestinians . But the state of Israel was created despite the fact that palestinians had been living there for centuries. ( I have spend a few months on a Kibbuts in Israel , and travel in the country and Palestinian were treated a bit life black people in south Africa a few years back. At the same time I have to say that I admire the jewish people for creating this amazing country out of sand and stone and I do belive that these two nations can and should share this erea.)

Secondly , the 100 000 people in Washinton were not all unenployed people who had nothing better to do with there life than to spend there saturday in a protest. Obvioulsy , I dont expect everyone to have the drive that Cindy has. I know I dont have it , but before this war started , I was in the street at -25 celcius to protest, twice.

lastly , 100 000 people will get more coverage than 400 , it is mathematical. But those 400 peopel have whole tv network ( Fox )that send there message everyday , all day ! So there message is being broadcast.

There were a lot of protesters with her that obeyed the cops and didn't get arrested. I admire that. I'm sure they're not all unemployed.....a lot of them are obviously intelligent, law-abiding citizens and I admire them for taking a day out of their life to fight for something they believe in.

The only place I heard about the counter-protest was on a local radio station. If you do a google search for it, some small news articles pop up, but not FoxNews. The biggest I saw was USA Today and it was an editorial of some sort.

I don't watch FoxNews.....OK, I admit to watching Geraldo and Shep Smith getting blown around by Hurricane Rita. I really feared for their lives at one point....that's one job I could never, ever do.

 

[Wishing on a star]

I end up having to say this in every Cindy Sheehan thread, but nobody ever reads it, I don't know why I bother, but here goes:

I do not think that Cindy Sheehan is crazy for opposing the war.

Let me repeat.

I do not think that Cindy Sheehan (or anyone else for that matter) is crazy for opposing the war.

I do think that her increasing rhetoric, blaming 9/11 on the US policy in Israel, complaining that coverage of the hurricanes overshadowed her protest, that in the year and half since her son died, she has been fired from her job and ended her marriage - I think she is going off the deep end.

Her son has been dead for over a year, but instead of having her grief eased over time, she seems to be getting more angry, more distraught.

Maybe I am projecting - I have a friend whose older sister was sexually assaulted and killed, when friend and I were teens and the sister was in her early 20's. It wasn't a serial killer or anything that was particularly newsworthy - one of many crimes that occur each year, a young girl assaulted and killed by a random person.

Well, my friend's mother became consumed with grief - and would repeatedly talk about her life being over, meaningless, empty. Every holiday revolved around reflecting on the loss of the older daughter, and nothing my friend ever did could even begin to compensate for the loss of her sister. Even a decade later, when my friend got married - her mom could be heard at the reception lamenting that she would never see her older daughter be married or have children. And my friend had grief of her own, which was never acknowledged because her mother's despair overshadowed everything.

Anyway, my point is - my friend has suffered deeply all her life, because her mother was never able to put aside her grief for the child she lost and enjoy the living child she still had. I can't help but wonder how Ms. Sheehan's other children feel about losing their mother as well as their brother.

Well, I read your post!!! Well said!!!

ITA!!!


It is just sad that this is NOT about whether you approve of the war or not... But, that is what the discussion degenerates to....

Every valid example of how this woman has gone completely off the deep end, is countered with a completely irrelevant statement about 'war'.

Like, because somebody feels the war is wrong, it justifies her insane behavior and comments.

What is really sad is how the media has followed right along, and turned her antics into some kind of feeding-frenzy... She is on a HUGE ego trip... She is offended if a MAJOR NATURAL DISASTER cuts into 'HER' airtime.

If she thinks her 'grief', (and that 'smiling face' ) are likely to turn me, or anyone else, to her point of view. She is sadly mistaken. So much for her 'cause'.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

What is really sad is how the media has followed right along, and turned her antics into some kind of feeding-frenzy... She is on a HUGE ego trip... She is offended if a MAJOR NATURAL DISASTER cuts into 'HER' airtime.

The post attributed to Ms. Sheehan that appeared on The Daily Kos a few days ago was undoubtedly posted there by a "troll." Ms. Sheehan has said some outrageous things, but I don't believe for a nanosecond that she posted what is attributed to her about Hurricane Rita cutting into her airtime.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Yes and if no one protests it will continue.

But most have nothing to protest. They are griefstricken...but they see that their son/daughter or other family member died for their country in a career that they loved.

Just because someone steps forward and protests it doesn't make them representative of that population and their views on the matter.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

But contrary to your friend mother , Cindy has put her grief into action and decided to do something about her grief and what caused her grief.

A little 13 year old girl in Montreal manage to have a petition going accross canda when her older sister got raped and killed a few years ago. She got thousands of signatures of support for her fight about violence on TV , and she meet the Prime Minister , and her action started the ratings and warnings at the beguinning of every tv program in Canada. Grief into action.


Maybe I would not agree with everything Cindy would say, but , the overall message is , for me , a good one

But where did the little girl get arrested or hold a picket sign or camp out in from of the PM's home? Did she neglect her parents, other family, and friends.

That little girl is doing something constructive with her grief.

Cindy Sheehan essentially leaving her life and focusing on her one dead son who was quite fine serving in the military...to the neglect of her spouse and her living children...

How exactly is that constructive and even remotely similar to what this girl did?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

The post attributed to Ms. Sheehan that appeared on The Daily Kos a few days ago was undoubtedly posted there by a "troll." Ms. Sheehan has said some outrageous things, but I don't believe for a nanosecond that she posted what is attributed to her about Hurricane Rita cutting into her airtime.

When I had read about that on the DIS, I has assumed this was a vocalized statement she made.

Is this not true?


We can't deny what she said about New Orleans and Katrina, though.

 

[Papa Deuce]

Actually, I said "just plain nuts", but I don't mean that. I think what she really is, is an attention starved woman, who is now doing her dead son a tremendous disservice. It is FINE to be ok with being against the war. But why does she always have to look like a grinning idiot whenever the camera is on her?

I wonder.... would her son want this? I would bet he would not. After all, every single miltary person knows that miitary action can take place at any time, and they agree to participate in that action the moment they VOLUNTARILY sign on the dotted line to enlist.

 

[Towncrier]

I felt compassion for her when she was a grieving mother. Now that she is a publicity *****, I am much less sympathetic. Cindy. Your 15 minutes are up.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

When I had read about that on the DIS, I has assumed this was a vocalized statement she made.

Is this not true?


We can't deny what she said about New Orleans and Katrina, though.

There was a post on "The Daily Kos" that was signed "cindysheehan" and contained something to the effect that she thought Hurricane Rita was getting more coverage that she (Sheehan) was. It looks like it was deleted because I cannot find it now. There were several replies questioning the date/time stamp of the post and speculating that this was the work of an Internet troll.

Ms. Sheehan has made some outrageous statements. I simply don't believe she would make a statement like that much less post it on a web site like the Daily Kos.

 

[toto2]

This is from a letter Cindy just wrote. While I understand that she might have said some things that can be putting off some people , her stance on the war is , to me very sound.

"After three warnings to get up and move off of the sidewalk in front of our house, we were arrested. It is so ironic to me that the person who resides in our White House swears to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. The person who is the (p)resident of the White House now has no concept of the Constitution. He was appointed by the Supreme Court for his first term, invaded and continues to occupy a sovereign country without a declaration of war from the Congress, and violated several treaties to actually invade, Iraq too. Not to mention the condoned torture that pervades the military prisons these days. These are all violations of the Constitution. The Patriot Act and denying us our rights to peaceably assemble are serious breaches of the Bill of Rights. George is so hypocritically concerned about Iraq developing a Constitution when he ignores and shreds our own Constitution.

Being arrested is not a big deal. Even though we were arrested for "demonstrating without a permit" we were protesting something that is much more serious than sitting on a sidewalk: the tragic and needless deaths of tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis and Americans (both in Iraq and here in America) who would be alive if it weren't for the criminals who reside in and work in the White House.

Karl Rove (besides just being a very creepy man) outed a CIA agent and was responsible for endangering many of our covert agents worldwide. Dick Cheney's old company is reaping profits beyond anyone's wildest imaginations in their no-bid contracts in Iraq, Afghanistan, and New Orleans. John Negroponte's activities in South America are very shady and murderous. Rumsfeld and Gonzales are responsible for illegal and immoral authorization, encouragement and approval of torture. Not to mention, violating Geneva Conventions, torture endangers the lives of our service men and women in Iraq. Along with the above mentioned traitors, Condi lied through her teeth in the insane run-up to the invasion. The list of crimes this administration has commited is extensive, abhorrent, and unbelievable. What is so unbelievable is that WE were arrested for exercising our first amendment rights and these people are running free to enjoy their lives of crime and to wreak havoc on the world. "


For the full text :

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0927-23.htm

 

[dcentity2000]

Thanks, toto2!



Rich::

 

[Tigger_Magic]

The fine for "demonstrating without a permit" is $75.00. I am certain that I won't pay it. My court date is November 16th. Any lawyers out there want to help me challenge an unconstitutional law??

If you are going to practice civil disobedience, at least have the integrity to accept the consequences of your actions.

I would think that all the media attention she got yesterday would be worth at least $75, but I guess not. Just goes to prove my point that she has become addicted to media attention.

 

[dcentity2000]

It's a silly thing to get arrested over. I've said it before and I'll say it again - I wonder who decided to arrest her? They must be hated by the politicians at the moment.



Rich::

 

[tubaman]

Cindy Sheehan-Normal?

What is "normal"?

 

[va32h]

The post attributed to Ms. Sheehan that appeared on The Daily Kos a few days ago was undoubtedly posted there by a "troll." Ms. Sheehan has said some outrageous things, but I don't believe for a nanosecond that she posted what is attributed to her about Hurricane Rita cutting into her airtime.

Why "undoubtedly"? Because you don't want to believe it? The Daily Kos is the location of Cindy Sheehan's personal blog. The username "cindysheehan" posts regularly, and blog entries are signed as "cindysheehan". Including blog entries like "I will be speaking at X time at the rally in Washington DC."

The "time stamp" issue came up when "cindysheehan" claimed that her complaint was about Rita coverage continuing long after the storm had moved through LA, but the timestamp showed she was posting at the height of the storm.

Here is a link to today's blog entry by cindysheehan; addressing her arrest, why she was smiling at her arrest, and apologizing for her seemingly insensitive comments re: Rita:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/27/134228/257

If the person using the name "cindysheehan" on The Daily Kos is a troll, they have been trolling under Ms. Sheehan's name for months. She really ought to sue them or something.

Or perhaps you are suggesting that someone hacked into Ms. Sheehan's account to post something outrageous under her name? Sheehan has already accused Nightline of hacking into her email, so why not? After all, the police framed OJ and Michael Jackson, right? So the CIA probably has a whole task force out there devoted to hacking into Cindy Sheehan's blog.