Cindy Sheehan - Normal?

[auntpolly]

d) Doing what he thinks needs to be done.

that's the answer for you ; right? Sorry, it wasnt' one of the choices.

 

[AllyandJack]

She died due to negligence but no one killed her? I'm not sure I follow. I think things like that need to be challenged if other seniors are at risk.

I said nobody killed my aunt (she died of a lung infection that couldn't be prevented or cured), so I don't have the same anger attached to the grief I feel over her death. Since my Nana's death could have been prevented, the grief is different. I think it's the anger. I'm no psychiatric professional, so I don't know how they work together, but adding anger to grief seems to change the grief somehow.

I am definitely pursuing action against the home (although because they are a non-profit/religious institution, their liability for mistreating and then killing my Nana is limited), as well as the inept doctor. But, my actions aren't going to get me arrested. Do I want to go out and do something radical to get my point across? Heck, yeah. But, what is getting arrested going to prove? I just don't think it's "normal" (whatever that means) to deliberately get arrested when there are so many other ways to make your point.

 

[dcentity2000]

No. It makes it seem like she's doing something wrong because her grief has made her coo-coo or something.

Oh no, not at all. In fact it is interesting how this is being construed - very interesting to an observer



Rich::

 

[auntpolly]

Thanks for proving my point.

How in the world..... you guys are just too much!

Any poll that does not have choices that represent everyone is going to have a flawed result. I'm sorry it you can't get your mind around that concept, but I don't know how else to explain it to you.

 

[auntpolly]

I am definitely pursuing action against the home (although because they are a non-profit/religious institution, their liability for mistreating and then killing my Nana is limited), as well as the inept doctor. .

I'm glad! It's not about compensation, it's about stopping nursing homes from abusing patients.

 

[Charade]

No. It makes it seem like she's doing something wrong because her grief has made her coo-coo or something.

That would only be true if someone thought her actions were coo-coo (or something). What choice(s) would you have preferred?

 

[auntpolly]

That would only be true if someone thought her actions were coo-coo (or something). What choice(s) would you have preferred?

Oh, you won't like this at all


American patriot

 

[Charade]

that's the answer for you ; right? Sorry, it wasnt' one of the choices.

But it was similar to "Acts of grief". She's doing what she feels is necessary. Right or wrong. The question was what was her motive, not what was her message.

 

[AllyandJack]

I'm glad! It's not about compensation, it's about stopping nursing homes from abusing patients.

The only financial aspect of it on my end is hoping that the doctor is punished and can no longer make boatloads of money on the backs of sick, old people in nursing homes, not to mention Medicare and my tax dollars.

 

[auntpolly]

But it was similar to "Acts of grief". She's doing what she feels is necessary. Right or wrong. The question was what was her motive, not what was her message.

OK, maybe you have a point. I just don't think it adequately represents my opinion, but you may be right.

 

[dcentity2000]

Oh, you won't like this at all


American patriot

But why discount the factor that is grief? It is incredibly rare that one is not subject to it and is usually far more a motive than simple political aspirations. I mean, one can picket in the name of patriotism, but it is unlikely that she would have gone to these lengths were it not for the death of her son. You will note that this simple statement, auntpolly, does not in any way discount her actions as unworthy, offensive or inappropriate - in fact, none of the poll questions do.



Rich::

 

[Charade]

Any poll that does not have choices that represent everyone is going to have a flawed result. I'm sorry it you can't get your mind around that concept, but I don't know how else to explain it to you.

Perhaps we should pay more attention to the content of the polls that are being tossed about in the news (about the war, about Bush, etc) instead of just the raw numbers.

 

[auntpolly]

The only financial aspect of it on my end is hoping that the doctor is punished and can no longer make boatloads of money on the backs of sick, old people in nursing homes, not to mention Medicare and my tax dollars.

I agree! Thanks on behalf of all of us with friends and relatives in nursing homes.

 

[auntpolly]

But why discount the factor that is grief? It is incredibly rare that one is not subject to it and is usually far more a motive than simple political aspirations. I mean, one can picket in the name of patriotism, but it is unlikely that she would have gone to these lengths were it not for the death of her son. You will note that this simple statement, auntpolly, does not in any way discount her actions as unworthy, offensive or inappropriate - in fact, none of the poll questions do.



Rich::

It doesn't discount it -- like I said, I'm not sure if it tells the whole story, but I think you all have a point.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Many families have lost loved ones!!! Does this woman think that she is the ONLY one!!! There are thousands upon thousands of soldiers, firefighters, police officers, dangerous industrial jobs, etc. And, yes thousands of them have died. Everybody who has a loved one who works in harms way deals with this EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Given this as an example, it is very statistically clear.
NO, her actions are NOT normal, no matter how 'grief stricken' she may be.

I very firmly believe that the grief-stricken excuse is VERY wrong and misguided.

And, she is also very mentally ill (detached from the reality) if she feels that her crocodile tears, and laughter and waving at the camera during publicity stunts, will have ANY effect on her cause. Are her antics going to end the war??? Ummmmm.... yeah right....

 

[auntpolly]

Many families have lost loved ones!!! Does this woman think that she is the ONLY one!!! There are thousands upon thousands of soldiers, firefighters, police officers, dangerous industrial jobs, etc. And, yes thousands of them have died. Everybody who has a loved one who works in harms way deals with this EVERY SINGLE DAY.

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Yes and if no one protests it will continue.

 

[AllyandJack]

No. It makes it seem like she's doing something wrong because her grief has made her coo-coo or something.

I wouldn't say coo-coo.....mental illness, to me, isn't a joke. I don't mean it as "she's a nutjob, get the men in white coats". I mean it as "she has obviously not dealt with her son's death and needs help with that". Nothing wrong with that....she doesn't have to be locked up, but I think some counseling would be helpful.

There is nothing wrong with protesting a war either, but the look on her face yesterday.....something isn't right with her. Yes, I'm sick of seeing her on TV and I disagree with most of what she says, but I honestly feel for her and hope she can get the help she needs.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

How in the world..... you guys are just too much!

Any poll that does not have choices that represent everyone is going to have a flawed result. I'm sorry it you can't get your mind around that concept, but I don't know how else to explain it to you.

*SIGH* My point was that every poll, especially political ones, is flawed in that exact way. The pollsters can sway the outcome of the poll in any number of ways, not just by limiting the answers/choices, but also by the way the question is phrased, the way the pollster asks the question (which words are emphasized, tone of voice, inflection/pitch), and most importantly, by the population selected to participate in the poll (both size and makeup).

It not just the answers that can cause a poll to be flawed.

 

[Wishing on a star]

AllyandJack,

Taking the legal, and appropriate, action to handle a specific wrong/injury is VERY appropriate!

Sheehan's actions, unfortunately, are not.

An unwilling victim of a legally defined crime is one thing... The death of a volunteer soldier is another.

 

[dcentity2000]

Yes and if no one protests it will continue.

Very true.



Rich::