CIA 'running secret terror jails'

[LadyDay]

I don't know either. I'm just curious since it seems as though the conclusion is that Bush set them up and Bush is the only President to ever use the tactic of sending prisoners/terrorists/criminals to other countries without sending out a press release. I genuinely want to know the answer.

Well, do you even know if Clinton actually detained terrorist suspects? Or this just a "spray and pray" driveby?

I know what Clinton did do with the ones who committed the first WTC bombing. They were put on trial, were convicted, and are serving life sentences in prison for nearly 10 years now.

 

[LadyDay]

I don't know either. I'm just curious since it seems as though the conclusion is that Bush set them up and Bush is the only President to ever use the tactic of sending prisoners/terrorists/criminals to other countries without sending out a press release. I genuinely want to know the answer.

So then it really was a "spray and pray" driveby.

Do you have anything whatsoever linking Bill Clinton, or any other president, with sending terror suspects to other countries to get around the US Constitution?

I believe the conclusion is, Bush is the one who instituted this policy so he could conduct whatever the hell he wants to conduct in private away from the prying eyes of the press and the public.

Unless, of course, you can link to otherwise.

Secret prisons and secret arrests are done by those who have something to hide which is why the Founding Fathers based our Constitution on transparency when it came to justice.

 

[TnKrBeLlA012]

This always make me lol. Terrorism is not a new thing, it's been around since the dawn of time. Ever heard of ETA? The IRA? These people have been around for decades.

And you know what? They haven't changed one bit. They remain thugs.



Rich::

Until 9-11 how much thought did the people in the US give to ETA or the IRA? I'm thinking probably not alot.

 

[dcentity2000]

Ah, 'k, gotcha.



Rich::

 

[TnKrBeLlA012]

Ah, 'k, gotcha.



Rich::

Back @ ya

 

[drakethib]

Ah yes, a common distortion. Terrorists the world over are NOT an organised army that will attempt a full frontal attack on a high security prison.

Buh



Rich::

They sure were organized enough to have a couple of planes hitting a few places here in the US a few years ago at the same time.

One of them was the Pentagon.

So you don't think they are smart enough to attack a location with the intent to kill all at the location. You know, where the have comrades who may tell a few of their secrets? I am not talking a rescue mission on their behalf.

Another common distortion. Many people think terrorist are afraid to die.

 

[momof2inPA]

Ali Baba the Terrorist 7000 miles from me without a penny to his name isn't really a threat to me. But Ali Baba the Terrorist who comes in to our country due to our lax borders and immigration policy (do immigrants have to undergo background/security checks??), boards an Amtrak train that has no visible security at all, and proceeds to ride into Union Station and blow himself up, IS more of a threat.

No kidding. The bi-partisan 9-11 commission has just given the administration the grade of "F" for it's domestic war on terror. They should secure our borders and protect our citizens in the U.S. Let the other countries worry about citizens abroad and we can decide whether or not the other countries are safe enough to travel to or to move our jobs/businesses to.

On the original post, I'm sure no patriotic American would support our government exporting U.S. citizens suspected of connections to terrorist organizations- afterall, whenever Republican lawmakers are indicted on criminal charges, so many remind us that people are innocent until proven guilty. Why would we allow the CIA to export and torture those of other nationalities, just because they weren't lucky enough to born in the greatest country in the world, the good old U.S.A? Are they deserving of our Christian compassion because they are not from here? WWJD?

 

[dcentity2000]

They sure were organized enough to have a couple of planes hitting a few places here in the US a few years ago at the same time.

One of them was the Pentagon.

So you don't think they are smart enough to attack a location with the intent to kill all at the location. You know, where the have comrades who may tell a few of their secrets? I am not talking a rescue mission on their behalf.

Another common distortion. Many people think terrorist are afraid to die.

Actually, darn tootin'. Terrorists are a highly organised group that we have failed to disrupt, bent on world domination, made up of an army of... clones...

No wait, that's Star Wars

pfft. I don't give terrorists as much glory and credit as you seem to.



Rich::

 

[AllyandJack]

So then it really was a "spray and pray" driveby.

Do you have anything whatsoever linking Bill Clinton, or any other president, with sending terror suspects to other countries to get around the US Constitution?

I believe the conclusion is, Bush is the one who instituted this policy so he could conduct whatever the hell he wants to conduct in private away from the prying eyes of the press and the public.

Unless, of course, you can link to otherwise.

Secret prisons and secret arrests are done by those who have something to hide which is why the Founding Fathers based our Constitution on transparency when it came to justice.

Um, I have nothing against Clinton, I was just asking a question. This may be surprising to some, but not everyone is out to smear one or the other (Bush or Clinton). I just wanted to know what other Presidents did when they detained terrorists and Clinton was the last President before Bush.

Apparently, asking a question just invites nasty responses.

Bye.

 

[drakethib]

Actually, darn tootin'. Terrorists are a highly organised group that we have failed to disrupt, bent on world domination, made up of an army of... clones...

No wait, that's Star Wars

pfft. I don't give terrorists as much glory and credit as you seem to.



Rich::

Not given any of them any glory, but do you see anything that has disrupted their activity despite this war on terror (wasn't there a bombing in a London subway a while back?).

If they aren't so well organized can you tell me why they still exits?

 

[djcruz4fun]

Ah yes, a common distortion. Terrorists the world over are NOT an organised army that will attempt a full frontal attack on a high security prison.

Buh



Rich::

No, but they will hijack a bus, blow up a busload of children, blow up a building full of children, ECT..... they are cowards

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

From the secret terror prisons, to the non stop blaming of the media for everything bad (although during Katrina, the Administration refused to play the "blame game"... ), to the war in Iraq, to the fact that Condeleza today told our allies that if they don't like our secret prisons, that maybe they shouldn't expect our help, to the VP trying to defend our tourture policies, I mean, the list can go on forever...but hey, at least W. hasn't received oral sex from anyone, so we got that going for us...which is nice!

What a sad, sad country we've become under President George Bush...it kinda makes me long for the salad days of Ronald Reagan.

 

[djcruz4fun]

From the secret terror prisons, to the non stop blaming of the media for everything bad (although during Katrina, the Administration refused to play the "blame game"... ), to the war in Iraq, to the fact that Condeleza today told our allies that if they don't like our secret prisons, that maybe they shouldn't expect our help, to the VP trying to defend our tourture policies, I mean, the list can go on forever...but hey, at least W. hasn't received oral sex from anyone, so we got that going for us...which is nice!

What a sad, sad country we've become under President George Bush...it kinda makes me long for the salad days of Ronald Reagan.

IMO this country is safer due to the actions of our government, if we are attacked again, just like the last time we as a country will call for blood. people have such a short memory and that IMO will be our downfall.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

IMO this country is safer due to the actions of our government, if we are attacked again, just like the last time we as a country will call for blood. people have such a short memory and that IMO will be our downfall.

That may be your opinion, but it's 100% wrong. As Mom pointed out, the bipartisan 911 Commision rated our terror preparedness an F, with many safety mechanisms not kicking in until President Bush has long been out of office in the next decade. As far as rembering 911...um, I was here when the Twin Towers came down, I drive by Ground Zero almost daily, and I'm quite aware of what happened. I just have a problem with this Administration selling American's soul by making torture and the bullying of our allies commomplace. We all should expect more out of our leaders!!

 

[frozone]

IMO this country is safer due to the actions of our government, if we are attacked again, just like the last time we as a country will call for blood. people have such a short memory and that IMO will be our downfall.

Perhaps you're confusing safety with vengence.

 

[DawnCt1]

Why hide it unless there's something to hide?



Rich::

So terrorists don't attack those countries that may not be prepared for acts of terror. So terrorists don't have to be flown half way around the world. So other members of their cell will not know who is being detained and threaten families if they "sing".

 

[DawnCt1]

From the secret terror prisons, to the non stop blaming of the media for everything bad (although during Katrina, the Administration refused to play the "blame game"... ), to the war in Iraq, to the fact that Condeleza today told our allies that if they don't like our secret prisons, that maybe they shouldn't expect our help, to the VP trying to defend our tourture policies, I mean, the list can go on forever...but hey, at least W. hasn't received oral sex from anyone, so we got that going for us...which is nice!

What a sad, sad country we've become under President George Bush...it kinda makes me long for the salad days of Ronald Reagan.

I doubt that you liked Ronald Reagan's policies either but then, he did free Eastern Europe. Frankly I do have a problem with countries that have their hands out but expect to give nothing in return. Condi is right. If you have a problem with the way the Bush Administration is conducting this war, you would have had apoplexi durin WWII.

 

[frozone]

I doubt that you liked Ronald Reagan's policies either but then, he did free Eastern Europe.

All by himself? Wow! Put Regan in some tights and a cape and your superhero image will be complete. Maybe "Condi" can land the role of Supergirl!

 

[djcruz4fun]

Perhaps you're confusing safety with vengence.

Vengence? I call it self defence, I hope the next daisy cutter they see detonating will make them think twice about killing any more Americans. We have been attacked over and over, turning the other cheek didn't work for the past 30+ years sow now we'll see how the sword works.

 

[DawnCt1]

I just don't know why we focus so much on foreign terrorism. Focus on the HOMELAND.

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Imformation obtained from foreign prisons from foreign terrorists have been instrumental in thwarting terrorist attacks on the HOMELAND.