Chronic late to work

[tinkerbellandeeyor]

Heck we have 62 year old co worker and she walks to work rain, shine, snow, hail, ice 15 mins early 2 miles everyday she works. It is the person not the alarm clock, phone type, transportation type. You are responsible enough to get to work on time or not. Period.

That should make her employee of the year

 

[lauradis]

That should make her employee of the year

Amen sister, she is so sweet even brings freshly baked coffee cake somedays.

 

[tinkerbellandeeyor]

My son is disabled and has never been held responsible when bus is late. But then he really doesn't have a set time it's more like a guideline times.

My problem is my dh can't get a job because he takes the bus and in my experience who wants to wait an extra 30 to 60 min for their ride

 

[NHdisneylover]

Heck we have 62 year old co worker and she walks to work rain, shine, snow, hail, ice 15 mins early 2 miles everyday she works.

It is the person not the alarm clock, phone type, transportation type.

You are responsible enough to get to work on time or not. Period.

This. Exactly this

My problem is my dh can't get a job because he takes the bus and in my experience who wants to wait an extra 30 to 60 min for their ride

Are you saying no one will hire him because he takes the bus? Or are you saying he does not take jobs he COULD get (or apply for them at all) because he does not want to wait 30-60 minutes for the bus to get there on?

 

[Granny square]

My problem is my dh can't get a job because he takes the bus and in my experience who wants to wait an extra 30 to 60 min for their ride

You either want the job enough to put in the time or find a job closer right? I don't see where "can't" factors in here

 

[Mkrop]

I think using a cell phone as alarm vs. other type of clock is the same a getting to work with a car, on foot, by bus, etc--in either case, different people use different tools to accomplish getting up and to work on time--because different people find the different things work for them.

BTW--I tried to quote the post about not hiring teens who do not have cars because "mommy can't drive me to work"
Heck--if I had needed my mom (or dad) to drive me to work, I would have never been on time--they were always at work themselves when my after school working shifts began. I walked. Or biked, or took the bus, but mostly I preferred to walk. It was about 2 miles from school, a little less from my house. Is this such a hard concept to imagine



The poster meant that they are "special" in that they have special needs which makes it so that they cannot drive. I do not think that is covered under ADA though (not 100% sure, however).

If you live in a community that supports those modes of transportation. When I grew up(suburbs), there were buses and I took them to work many times before I got a car and after when the worst car in the world broke down more than it ran. Currently we do not live somewhere that has access like that so we have to drive him to whereever my kids get jobs. DS16 currently works as a dishwasher. It is located across from his school. When he works during the week he can walk to work. On the weekends, when they are the busiest we have to drive him. There are no buses that go near there and it is really far. But even some of the retail places near us that might hire teens are not accessible by walking, it isnt safe.

 

[goofyintoronto]

Heck we have 62 year old co worker and she walks to work rain, shine, snow, hail, ice 15 mins early 2 miles everyday she works.

It is the person not the alarm clock, phone type, transportation type.

You are responsible enough to get to work on time or not. Period.

Totally agree here!!!! You are absolutely correct. People should stop blaming the traffic, alarm clock, their kids, etc and start taking responsibility and make an effort to be on time.

 

[lauradis]

My problem is my dh can't get a job because he takes the bus and in my experience who wants to wait an extra 30 to 60 min for their ride

People that need or want money, will get jobs even if they have to wait for a ride. It's not fun.

I have been a grown up and a teen with out a car and its no fun, to ride the bus but an evil task that had to be done.

 

[FireDancer]

I'm assuming from both of your posts that you must not live in a major city. Here in Chicago and in NYC, the majority of people get to work by public transportation, biking, or as I do, walking. I do take the blueline too, if the weather is bad.

I'm never late, I'm up early enough to still arrive on time even if there is an L-train delay. Worst case scenario, I grab a cab.

Now what you are talking about are job specific requirements. You NEED a car to go to different offices during the day or after hours, I'm equating that to you need a bike to be a bike messenger.

The original post is talking apples, you are talking oranges.

It comes down to flexibility. I want employees that have the travel flexibility a car offers because it is necessary. Every single person in my department has to be able to get where I need them anytime I need them. None of us only work out of one office or have set times. Some days start at 5pm if we are doing an overnight update or turn-up.

If you have to choose between being late often or an hour early that is the definition of inflexible which is what prompted me to say that is one of the reasons I don't hire people without cars.

It really is location specific, but it's one of the questions I've seen on every application I've ever filled out. And it's one of the first things I ask any potential applicant. No car = no reliable way to be here when I need you, so no job.

Yup.

Asking people in an interview if they own a car is a bad idea.

Phrasing the question that way:

Is potentially illegal. (Much like bankruptcy or home ownership, car ownership can reflect credit rating and using credit rating or financial solvency can be seen as evidence of discrimination against minorities. It can also discriminate against people with disabilities.)

Doesn't answer the relevant question, which is "Can you meet X job requirement?"

It opens the employer to liability, not just while on business errands, but on the commute as well. You can lose protection of the coming and going rule, even if all you've done is imply that owning a car and using it to commute is relevant to being hired.

I'm not sure where you got the impression that you couldn't use credit history as part of the hiring process because that isn't true. We do a full credit history check and will exclude anyone with a bankrupcy. I know of many places that use credit as one of the factors when screening applicants. We just had a thread on the DIS about it as a matter of fact.

 

[goofyintoronto]

People that need or want money, will get jobs even if they have to wait for a ride. It's not fun.

I have been a grown up and a teen with out a car and its no fun, to ride the bus but an evil task that had to be done.

Yup. Once again, i agree. Its not fun, heck, at times it can suck, but it has to be done if you have no other means to get there. I did it for many many years, and I live in the suburbs (and I work downtown).

 

[eliza61]

My problem is my dh can't get a job because he takes the bus and in my experience who wants to wait an extra 30 to 60 min for their ride

A person who wants to work. Seriously? he can't get a job because he doesn't want to wait?

Born and raised NY'er here. I waited for a bus or a train my entire life. I lived in Manhattan and went to hs in Brooklyn. it was 60 mins every day if every thing ran on time (2 trains) and let me tell you, all hell would have broken out at my house if I missed a day. My parents expected me to be at school every day and on time.

Kids in major cities ride the bus and trains every day, in good weather or bad.

I work in Delaware, I live in southern NJ. every one in my house needs their car so guess what if my car breaks down or is in for maintence, I either
A) get up uber early so I can get a lift without the person driving being late for their classes or job
B) take public transportation, which is 2 hours because I have to take the High speed line into Philly, then take a train into Wilmington DE.

No it is not fun but I'm one of those crazy people who like getting paid and likes getting a bonus for being a good employee.

 

[msjprincess]

My problem is my dh can't get a job because he takes the bus and in my experience who wants to wait an extra 30 to 60 min for their ride

For some reason I was under the impression that you also took a bus to work.

 

[dawnball]

I'm not sure where you got the impression that you couldn't use credit history as part of the hiring process because that isn't true. We do a full credit history check and will exclude anyone with a bankrupcy. I know of many places that use credit as one of the factors when screening applicants. We just had a thread on the DIS about it as a matter of fact.

I got the impression by staying awake in HR meetings.

"Is potentially illegal." - 7 states prohibit or limit using credit history as part of the hiring process. My state prohibits utilization unless you meet a specific exception.

Also, there's a significant difference between the federally approved process for pulling someone's credit history (explicit permission, pre-adverse action letters, waiting period and adverse action letters) and asking questions about home or car ownership. There's a potential compliance issue with the FCRA, but since my state is more restrictive, I can't speak to it with any authority.

 

[got2lovedisney]

I'm one of those that is habitually late, usually run 15 minutes behind. My bosses have always ignored it because I always stay late and work OT whenever asked. It's extremely rare that I don't make at least my 40 hours.

 

[eliza61]

I'm one of those that is habitually late, usually run 15 minutes behind. My bosses have always ignored it because I always stay late and work OT whenever asked. It's extremely rare that I don't make at least my 40 hours.

ok so you're always 15 minutes late. why not move your hours to the time you actually get there.

And if you did push your hours back do you think you would still be late?

 

[pigletgirl]

My problem is my dh can't get a job because he takes the bus and in my experience who wants to wait an extra 30 to 60 min for their ride

Well if an income is needed you do whatever it takes.

I am under the impression he doesn't work, because he can't.

 

[tinkerbellandeeyor]

My point is that is why we are early, re reading it I can see where you misunderstood me

 

[tvguy]

I got the impression by staying awake in HR meetings.

"Is potentially illegal." - 7 states prohibit or limit using credit history as part of the hiring process. My state prohibits utilization unless you meet a specific exception.

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This is why state laws drive multi-state corporations crazy. What is legal and accepted in 43 states, is potentially illegal in 7. I worked one place that got purchased by an out of state corporation, and corporate payroll folks just could not grasp the concept of having to pay time and a half after 8 hours in one day, and double time after 12 hours in one day. They were used to states where overtime didn't kick in until you worked 40 hours in that week, then they would send you home early on the day that would kick you over 40 hours for the week to avoid paying overtime.

 

[lauradis]

My point is that is why we are early, re reading it I can see where you misunderstood me

lol sounds like his excuse not to work. the way it was written.

im in the top 10 disers too of hard to understand post.

oh well silly us.

 

[tinkerbellandeeyor]

lol sounds like his excuse not to work. the way it was written. im in the top 10 disers too of hard to understand post. oh well silly us.

Sorry about that