Christopher Robin replaced??

I should add, though, that if he can be convinced to stay if there is a purchase, all that really does is give Disney more reason to try to make the deal.

Yes, he could get hit with a bus, but that's probably a reasonable risk to take.
 

AH HA!
It's Forestal. He was good, very good.


Quick, we need to get to Marakesh. It's the only place Scoop could sell the idol.
 
Ok after reading all the previous post, and now easing my headache with a dole whip, my only question is ......Will Stitch's Great Escape be replaced by Christopher Robbin's Escape from 100 Acre Woods? :rotfl2:
 
Just a thought.
Now not having the 'miles' that some of the posters on here have but one thing has crossed my mind. Now I believe reading this thread that no details have been released about the content of the show, so could it be that Christopher has grown up and has passed all his stuffed toys to his daughter and she is now living the same imagination. If I remember, a film called Drop Dead Fred, same thing happened at the end. On that note please don't shoot me down, I thought the film stank but my 11 year old daughter thinks it's hilarious!
Sometimes money is not the sign of success we expect, weren't some of the 'classics' slammed by critics but later became what they now are, 'classics'
 
I don't like the idea of Christopher Robin being replaced. It's a tradition - we know its Christopher Robin and Pooh. I heard a funny outlook on it on the radio. They said that to make it truly Politically Correct, Christopher Robin would be replaced by a girl, Kanga would be a single mother in a bedsit, Owl would recieve Meals on Wheels and Pigglet would finally come out as gay.
 
Now that the idealogues are done bantering about their theories of the rise and fall of communism, capitalism, miniskirts, whatever...glad to see we're headed back to the question at hand.

Anyways, it may be hard to decide whether the replacement will be a good thing for Disney, or whatever the effect will be on Disney's finances, fame, fortunes, future, or flunkies, I'm assuming they aren't going to just replace Christopher outright. As it has been said, it is Christopher Robin's imaginery world. To transfer it to another child would be difficult, but not impossible. Though it would be impossible to not change the vision of the 100 Hundred Acre Woods slightly if we were to change the child.

But then again, how important is Christopher Robin to the stories? Even though his character is the "central" character, he is not the active character...he mainly acts as a "Deus ex Machina." My fear, then, is that when they bring in the girl, she will become more controlling of the story plotline than just a "helper" to the stories. My daughter is 2 1/2 and I can tell you she couldn't care less whether there is a Christopher Robin, a Chrissy Robin, or any Robin in the story, as long as there is Pooh, Eeyore, Piglet, and the rest of the animals. Even though we can argue about whether Christopher Robin, a boy, is necessary for the story, will the intended audience really care? You have to admit, Christopher Robin is a little "light" in dominant male characteristics, so I imagine Chrissy will probably be more tom-boyish than Christopher ever was.

I guess as long as they don't teach her to throw tantrums everytime she doesn't get her way, or other non-acceptable social behaviours, whose to say a girl can't have an imagination? Unless they're doing it just for political-correctness, then no.

-R
 
Even though we can argue about whether Christopher Robin, a boy, is necessary for the story, will the intended audience really care? You have to admit, Christopher Robin is a little "light" in dominant male characteristics, so I imagine Chrissy will probably be more tom-boyish than Christopher ever was.

No one would complain about replacing a main character in the stories if it was being done to make the stories better or more meaningful. But this move seems like nothing but a marketing move aimed at selling lots of dress-up dolls and plush. Somehow I think the stories are going to come in second to all the other new "friends" Winnie is going to make (and I'm sure each new friend will be Happy Meal friendly).

Marketing departments seldom make good movies or TV shows. It's just such a waste to see Winnie the Pooh degraded into nothing but a 30 minute toy commerical.


P.S. So, you're lumping in Christopher Robin in with Spongebob and the Purple Teletubby?
 
Another Voice said:
No one would complain about replacing a main character in the stories if it was being done to make the stories better or more meaningful. But this move seems like nothing but a marketing move aimed at selling lots of dress-up dolls and plush. Somehow I think the stories are going to come in second to all the other new "friends" Winnie is going to make (and I'm sure each new friend will be Happy Meal friendly).

Marketing departments seldom make good movies or TV shows. It's just such a waste to see Winnie the Pooh degraded into nothing but a 30 minute toy commerical.


P.S. So, you're lumping in Christopher Robin in with Spongebob and the Purple Teletubby?
Almost have to agree with you here, AV. I am afraid it merely is a marketing "ploy;" however, I was just hoping beyond hope that maybe somebody at Disney, Inc., had a conscience, I guess it was the Christmas Spirit that came over me for a brief moment. Unfortunately, Winnie-the-Pooh was turned into a 30-minute toy commercial and stuffed-animal/figurine sales machine many years ago.

Not quite a fair comparison...Spongebob and the Teletubby are just plain weird (IMHO)! Except for his name, Christopher's activities, e.g., picnicking, walking in the woods, reading, watching clouds, flying kites, etc., are pretty well gender neutral. When someone like Disney, Inc., says "We're going to bring in a tom-boy," what I hear is, "We're not selling enough Christopher Robin dolls so let's bring in a dirt-bike-riding, talk-back-at-authority, stuffed-animal-kicking, market-segment-researched concept of what an overpriced executive thinks a kid wants and their parents will buy."

Honestly, my daughter doesn't need another "reality" role-model to demonstrate how to behave badly even at her age, she notices enough of that everywhere she goes or whatever she watches on TV (what little she does watch)! Parents are getting really sensitive about pretty much everything these days, so it just might backfire on Disney, Inc., if they think they are going to try to get one past a diligent parent.

-R
 
I'm assuming they aren't going to just replace Christopher outright.
The assumption may be faulty, and is the real reason we've been debating the topic. The promotional stills make it appear as if she will replace Robin.

That brings up another philosophical issue. If the Hundred Acres Wood is based upon one child's imagination, by definition when you bring in another separate person, will not the wood change?

Logically, of course, it would. Characters would change, come, and go as this new imagination re-renders the world.

Why do this? Why not visit with the talent you have at the studio and see if there are any ideas in there that could be used for a new world with new characters? Why not look for other beloved children's books (Cricket in New York perhaps?) for characters for a new series?

Everything about this project shows it is business consultant/marketing department driven, instead of driven by artistic and story concerns.
 
airlarry! said:
The assumption may be faulty, and is the real reason we've been debating the topic. The promotional stills make it appear as if she will replace Robin.

That brings up another philosophical issue. If the Hundred Acres Wood is based upon one child's imagination, by definition when you bring in another separate person, will not the wood change?

Logically, of course, it would. Characters would change, come, and go as this new imagination re-renders the world.

Why do this? Why not visit with the talent you have at the studio and see if there are any ideas in there that could be used for a new world with new characters? Why not look for other beloved children's books (Cricket in New York perhaps?) for characters for a new series?

Everything about this project shows it is business consultant/marketing department driven, instead of driven by artistic and story concerns.
Hi, Airlarry,

...understood the debate just didn't get in at the beginning so was tedious after a few pages; oh well, guess that's what a public board is for.

Again, I guess I should have said, "hoping" instead of assuming. Still trying to convince myself there is somebody left at Disney, Inc., that understands continuity and cohesiveness. Yes, it would be just wrong to drop her into the woods and say "Here she is..."

On the flipside, I don't mind children having shared imaginary worlds - what else would siblings have to play in when stuck in a house on a rainy day? Just how it's brought in, and then, yes, the new child would be bringing in new animals, etc. It definitely doesn't sound like a "retelling" since that would require some imagination on the part of the storyteller, just a substitution.

It will be interesting to see how they market the two different series - "Classic" vs. "Modern." Will they stop selling the "original" Christopher Robin suffed animals and stories, market them to different segments, or keep them both running and see which one sells?

-R
 
Profit grab is always the main point just as it was with Walt. No one sets out to make an unprofitable change, nor do they produce this form of art without at least some thought being placed on will others like it.

The female character will be more relevent in the current scheme of things as girls flock to Disney as fans of princesses and heroines. Boys lag way behind (remember Treasure Planet?). This may not a good enough reason for many of you but time doesn't stand still and the Company must simply see more avenues for growth both profitability and creatively with this twist.
pirate:
 
I think it could work great if the whole thing is done as a continuation of the story, not a reworking of it. Pick up where Pooh and the other toys have been sitting dusty for a while, only to be rediscovered by a younger child. Perhaps Christopher's child/grandchild, which would bring it to present day.

However - *something* tells me that they are only looking for an excuse to come out with another abysmal DVD to turn into another abysmal cartoon series, etc and all integrity will be lost...
 
psiprez said:
I think it could work great if the whole thing is done as a continuation of the story, not a reworking of it. Pick up where Pooh and the other toys have been sitting dusty for a while, only to be rediscovered by a younger child. Perhaps Christopher's child/grandchild, which would bring it to present day.

However - *something* tells me that they are only looking for an excuse to come out with another abysmal DVD to turn into another abysmal cartoon series, etc and all integrity will be lost...


I have to agree, if they choose to continue the story and not just cut Christopher Robin out it might, might be okay. If they just try to start over with a Christine Robin and Pooh, it's just not right. A story that's been sucessful for decades torn apart because a girl should get a shot at Pooh. I just think the whole ideas sad.

"Christopher Robin?," whispered Pooh.
"Yes, Pooh Bear?"
"I'll never not remember you ... ever."
 
When was the last time your child said "Christopher Robin"? The focus is on Pooh et al and as the one poster mentioned that Christopher Robin told Pooh he had to leave the 100 acre wood....what would be so wrong to continue the story with...say as one other poster mentioned...Christopher's daughter, to whom Christopher tells his stories. It may make the stories more interesting to the little ones, and it is in keeping with the original spirit. I agree that it is all about marketing/sales but I don't think the idea itself is bad.....we have to wait to see how it is carried out to really tell.

Dawna
 
Yay!!

All the off topic-ness was starting to make my brain hurt :(

but we're back on topic again!!
 
I'm very interested in seeing how this plays out. Currently, Winnie the Pooh is my 2.5 y.o. DD's obsession. She can name all the major players...expect Christopher Robin. I know from watching the pre-show documentaries before the main feature on one of her tapes that CR was a boy whose Dad made up stories for him based on his stuffed animals, but that's hardly relevant to my DD. Frankly, I see no reason to replace CR since it's not really about him. I've never even seen a CR doll. As long as the central characters remain the same, I don't think there's much that will change.

But FWIW, when I heard the announcement on the news I did let out a disgusted "What?!?!?" :eek:
 


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