chip n dale campfire and tour

[jlr9882]

We are staying off property this time, because even with my cousin's CM discount it was cheaper. We would love to walk around the campground to see it all and go to chip n dale's campfire with my son. we really want to stay there at some point. Can people not staying on property go to the campfire? What about CM's families?

 

[2goofycampers]

Official policy is the movie and campfire is open to WDW resort guests.

 

[TheRustyScupper]

1) Sure, go ahead.
2) Anyone is free to visit any resort to walk and observe.

 

[Born 2 Fish]

1) Sure, go ahead.
2) Anyone is free to visit any resort to walk and observe.

This isn't true.

If you read the rules, etc , the amenities at Disney resorts are for RESORT GUESTS,
NOT for anyone who walks off the street to enjoy these amenities.

And I for one feel it's NOT right that I have to pay those prices to stay and enjoy Disney amenities but Sam Etc., who lives 15 minutes from Disney can just walk on FREE OF CHARGE and use the amenities.


There is a HUGE difference between enjoying the Disney amenities and observing..

 

[chartle]

This isn't true.

If you read the rules, etc , the amenities at Disney resorts are for RESORT GUESTS,
NOT for anyone who walks off the street to enjoy these amenities.

And I for one feel it's NOT right that I have to pay those prices to stay and enjoy Disney amenities but Sam Etc., who lives 15 minutes from Disney can just walk on FREE OF CHARGE and use the amenities.


There is a HUGE difference between enjoying the Disney amenities and observing..

While the campfire probably should be just for people staying at FW which I feel is there to make up for the fact that you can't have open fires at your site.

But a Resort Guest to WDW is anyone visiting the WDW Resort, a 45 sq mile area. You don't even need a valid ticket to be a guest of the WDW Resort.

 

[Born 2 Fish]

While the campfire probably should be just for people staying at FW which I feel is there to make up for the fact that you can't have open fires at your site.

But a Resort Guest to WDW is anyone visiting the WDW Resort, a 45 sq mile area. You don't even need a valid ticket to be a guest of the WDW Resort.

WOW !!Where in this world did you research and come up with THAT information ??????


cause I'd sure like to read that and I CAN assure you that it didn't come from any official Disney site.

 

[chartle]

WOW !!Where in this world did you research and come up with THAT information ??????


cause I'd sure like to read that and I CAN asure you that it didn't come from any official Disney site.

You mean you have never seen this before?

Its pretty common knowledge that a WDW resort guest is anyone visiting, not just someone staying at an on property hotel. Maybe you should get out of your fishing boat.

It always comes up when people want to say that WDW transportation is only for WDW resort guests. OK then define what a resort guest is.

From Wikipedia:

Walt Disney World Resort (also known as Walt Disney World, and colloquially as Disney World), is the world's largest and most-visited recreational resort. ... the resort covers an area of 30,080-acre (47.00 sq mi; 121.7 km2) and includes four theme parks, two water parks, 23 on-site themed resort hotels (excluding eight that are on-site, but not owned by the Walt Disney Company), including a campground, two health spas and physical fitness centers, and other recreational venues and entertainment.

I know were you are coming from about the Camp Fire but if they say WDW Resort Guests it pretty much everyone.

 

[Born 2 Fish]

You mean you have never seen this before?

Its pretty common knowledge that a WDW resort guest is anyone visiting, not just someone staying at an on property hotel. Maybe you should get out of your fishing boat.

It always comes up when people want to say that WDW transportation is only for WDW resort guests. OK then define what a resort guest is.

From Wikipedia:

SERIOUS ??? Wikipedia !!!

Okay, again, I ask you , show me ANY official Disney site that says ,
"But a Resort Guest to WDW is anyone visiting the WDW Resort, a 45 sq mile area. You don't even need a valid ticket to be a guest of the WDW Resort. "

So if ANYONE living in central Florida or visiting from farther away(out of state) can come and go as they please and use all the Disney amenities for FREE and as they please,,
WHY IN THE---- DO I HAVE TO PAY $120.00 FOR A CAMPSITE OR $250.00 for a ROOM ?!?!?

Well shucks, I reck'n this ol stoopid phsherman inna boat wil juss havta concede to yuz cuzz yuz must be coreek what wit all tha sperirer mouse knowhowz.

Shoot, I'll just cancel my ressies and save a $$BUNDLE$$ since Disney says everything is free to anyone who wanders onto property,,
thanks for the tips,,

 

[rock_doctor]

My I suggest an experiment. Next time on property go pay the Contemporary (or Poly, GF, WL or what ever) a visit. When you get to the front gate explain to the guard you are staying outside but since you have driven onto property, that makes you a "Disney Resort guest" and you want/demand to use the pool. See what he/she says. I am sure they will be more then happy to give you an official definition of the phrase "Disney Resort guest".

FW is sort of an anomaly. It is the only Disney resort where you can park in the resort lot w/o passing though any security booths and that is because of the Whoop-Dee-Doo!, Mickeys Backyard BBQ and River Country (when it existed). So technically.....you could go to the campfire and nobody would know you were not staying on property. Now if it was crazy busy, they may start to card everybody. They have been known to do this at the pool from time to time, so it is feasible they could do it at the campfire also... It is a fun event where Disney does make some money (selling snacks and what not) so i can't see them turning anybody away...

 

[bama_ed]

You mean you have never seen this before?

Its pretty common knowledge that a WDW resort guest is anyone visiting, not just someone staying at an on property hotel. Maybe you should get out of your fishing boat.

It always comes up when people want to say that WDW transportation is only for WDW resort guests. OK then define what a resort guest is.

From Wikipedia:



I know were you are coming from about the Camp Fire but if they say WDW Resort Guests it pretty much everyone.

Chartle,

IMO you are pretty far off base with this position. It makes no sense to a reasonable, logical person. I'm simply looking at this from a sensible perspective.

A "WDW Guest" is not simply anyone visiting. It is anyone "staying" at a WDW Resort. If your position were true, they would not say "WDW Guest", they would substitute that with "anyone" or "everyone" or "customer". Sorry - words mean things. So your arguement loses there.

It's been well noted on here and the resort boards that locals that drive in to Downtown Disney, for example, to park there and ride the WDW buses to the parks are stealing services. The same for the Fort parking lot. Please don't use the "Disney doesn't ask for guest proof". Just because Disney is lame means that those action are right or correct. That arguement loses too.

Finally, you made a unsubstantiated comment in an earlier post about the campfire being a make-up for not having open campfires at our sites. OMG are you that obtuse? With the number of sites and the turnover at the Fort, it's not a question of "if" it's a question of "when" someone is going to burn down the Fort. Here is a link to to a news story from a week ago of my beloved state park in Alabama, Gulf State Park, having nearly 1,000 acres burned because some yahoo walked away from a hot fire or coals in his grill.

http://blog.al.com/live/2011/07/gulf_state_park_fire_contained.html

So besides you making up your position it's also an unwise position given the possibilities already. Some yahoo in a Fort site could have coals burning in his grill, dying down, and he goes over to the trading post. A gentle breeze blows in and lifts a glowing ember up into the air. It's happened to everyone of us who have cooked out more than once. And you think the Fort should have open campfires at each site? And you think not having them is the reason WDW should open the campfire/singalong to anyone/everyone/locals/foreigners? Now you are oh-for-three.

I eagerly await your reasoned, logical, substantiated response.

Bama ED

 

[TheRustyScupper]

1) OK, let's not argue.
2) You can visit any resort at WDW and walk around.

3) As for the Campfire, as an employee, I have not
. . . had to throw people out
. . . had to ask for resort ID's or park tickets
4) I myself
. . . live nearby
. . . visit HDDR annually with the family
. . . go to the Campfire afterward

 

[chartle]

Chartle,

IMO you are pretty far off base with this position. It makes no sense to a reasonable, logical person. I'm simply looking at this from a sensible perspective.

A "WDW Guest" is not simply anyone visiting. It is anyone "staying" at a WDW Resort. If your position were true, they would not say "WDW Guest", they would substitute that with "anyone" or "everyone" or "customer". Sorry - words mean things. So your arguement loses there.

It's been well noted on here and the resort boards that locals that drive in to Downtown Disney, for example, to park there and ride the WDW buses to the parks are stealing services. The same for the Fort parking lot. Please don't use the "Disney doesn't ask for guest proof". Just because Disney is lame means that those action are right or correct. That arguement loses too.

Finally, you made a unsubstantiated comment in an earlier post about the campfire being a make-up for not having open campfires at our sites. OMG are you that obtuse? With the number of sites and the turnover at the Fort, it's not a question of "if" it's a question of "when" someone is going to burn down the Fort. Here is a link to to a news story from a week ago of my beloved state park in Alabama, Gulf State Park, having nearly 1,000 acres burned because some yahoo walked away from a hot fire or coals in his grill.

http://blog.al.com/live/2011/07/gulf_state_park_fire_contained.html

So besides you making up your position it's also an unwise position given the possibilities already. Some yahoo in a Fort site could have coals burning in his grill, dying down, and he goes over to the trading post. A gentle breeze blows in and lifts a glowing ember up into the air. It's happened to everyone of us who have cooked out more than once. And you think the Fort should have open campfires at each site? And you think not having them is the reason WDW should open the campfire/singalong to anyone/everyone/locals/foreigners? Now you are oh-for-three.

I eagerly await your reasoned, logical, substantiated response.

Bama ED

OK and this is for Born 2 fish also.

What is a WDW Resort guest?

First what is the WDW resort I used the Wikipedia article because they explained better then I could. So the WDW resort is a 46 sq mile resort. If you visit this resort remember 46 sq miles are a Guest of the WDW Resort.

Now staying at a onsite Disney property gives you certain extra benefits like

• EMH
• Disney Dining Plan
• Swimming at the resort pool
• a wonderful themed hotel room or campsite experience

For all those listed above they require a KTTW card because they are for guests that are ALSO staying onsite. (yes I know they don't always ask for the card at the pool)

As for your comment about the campfire confuses me to no end because EVERYTHING you wrote supports what I wrote 100%.

Maybe I should have been clearer and said.

Due the danger of having fires at the campsites, they have a group campfire that they can control.

 

[chartle]

My I suggest an experiment. Next time on property go pay the Contemporary (or Poly, GF, WL or what ever) a visit. When you get to the front gate explain to the guard you are staying outside but since you have driven onto property, that makes you a "Disney Resort guest" and you want/demand to use the pool. See what he/she says. I am sure they will be more then happy to give you an official definition of the phrase "Disney Resort guest".

You are getting what I wrote so wrong.

In this case you are asking about a guest staying at THAT resort. A guest staying at THAT property has certain benefits that anyone else staying at ANY OTHER property on or off site does not have.

 

[tim5055]

I won't get into what a guest is or is not, but I agree with Chartle that the campfire is not restricted to hotel guests. I see it as more of an ancillary attraction. Kind of like walking through the barn or looking at Christmas decorations at different hotels. They want you to wander around because you end up buying something be it lunch at Trails End or a smores kit at the chuckwagon.

Until Disney is clear in their rules and enforces them anyone can attend.

 

[dudelydude]

It absolutely amazes me that people's perceptions can be so skewed and they will go to their grave thinking that they are correct when they are clearly wrong. Let's just (for a moment) forget about who is a resort guest or not...because before you even get to that point, I would think that your sense of right and wrong would kick-in and you would not invite yourself to the campfire if you are not a paying guest AT A RESORT. And let's just (for a moment) forget the PP's example with parking...why not just come in from the flea-bag motel you are staying at and take a dip in one of the FW pools? On a sidenote, but somewhat related, I think the offsite people are lucky to be able to use any disney transporation for anything other than a direct path back-and-forth from the park they are visiting on that day.

 

[imthatgirl]

Well you know...there is a person there that will know whether you are staying on property or not.....so this is an ethics question. Should you be using the ammenities put in place for the people who are paying for it...of course not. Can you...well yeah.

I honestly don't see how it is worth it anyway. Sure it's fun, but is it really worth the hassle of getting there and getting out of it? if you aren't staying close by?

So to answer the question...I suppose it depends how you view what is right or wrong.

 

[Born 2 Fish]

It absolutely amazes me that people's perceptions can be so skewed and they will go to their grave thinking that they are correct when they are clearly wrong. Let's just (for a moment) forget about who is a resort guest or not...because before you even get to that point, I would think that your sense of right and wrong would kick-in and you would not invite yourself to the campfire if you are not a paying guest AT A RESORT. And let's just (for a moment) forget the PP's example with parking...why not just come in from the flea-bag motel you are staying at and take a dip in one of the FW pools? On a sidenote, but somewhat related, I think the offsite people are lucky to be able to use any disney transporation for anything other than a direct path back-and-forth from the park they are visiting on that day.

Do you spose that the people who are actually skewed by that thinking had parents who raised them to be that way, or did they just come up with that kind of thinking on their own ???
I can tell you my parents didn't raise me up like that.
Seriously, they know darn well whats right and wrong , (even if they were raised that way or not) but then they couldn't just make up stupid stuff to try and justify their actions to themselves or others.

I mean, if you say it enough,,, then it's true ! Right ?
themselves (or others) it's okay.

 

[bama_ed]

OK and this is for Born 2 fish also.

What is a WDW Resort guest?

First what is the WDW resort I used the Wikipedia article because they explained better then I could. So the WDW resort is a 46 sq mile resort. If you visit this resort remember 46 sq miles are a Guest of the WDW Resort.

Now staying at a onsite Disney property gives you certain extra benefits like

• EMH
• Disney Dining Plan
• Swimming at the resort pool
• a wonderful themed hotel room or campsite experience

For all those listed above they require a KTTW card because they are for guests that are ALSO staying onsite. (yes I know they don't always ask for the card at the pool)

As for your comment about the campfire confuses me to no end because EVERYTHING you wrote supports what I wrote 100%.

Maybe I should have been clearer and said.

Due the danger of having fires at the campsites, they have a group campfire that they can control.

It would have helped if you were clear period.

And your backpedalling is much appreciated. Glad you realize the error of your ways.

Nobody is discussing guests who pay to stay at Disney Resort hotels (or members of their party). The original question was for guests staying off property.

But, tell you what, I could accept your point of view.

Oh yes, the DIS Plan B is that I'm going to create a Wiki entry on your home address (obtainable from your IP).

Then I can come and help myself to your fridge and your tv (the fact that I am on your property makes me your guest). BTW, I like Diet Coke, Zaps potato chips, and a daily newspaper. I'll take what I want and stay as long as I want because that's what you're advocating.

You have me convinced.

Bama ED

PS-The rest of us got your campfire comment correctly. You know the old expression. "If you sit down at a poker game and can't spot the mark in the five minutes, well......."

 

[2goofycampers]

Someone who comes onto WDW property is a visitor.
Someone who pays to stay onsite at WDW is a guest.

 

[tim5055]

Someone who comes onto WDW property is a visitor.
Someone who pays to stay onsite at WDW is a guest.

I'm staying at the Motel 6 on Irlo Bronson. I spend the day with my family at the Magic Kingdom, travel to FW to catch the Hoop De Do and wan to go to the campfire afterwards. Am I allowed?