China is done with Coronavirus?

[erc]

Yet experts believe 10's of millions will be infected in the United States?

These two statements do not work together. Which one is correct?

 

[Krandor]

Do you believe chinas numbers are accurate?

 

[MarkLT1]

What you've got to understand about China- they have literally locked down the population in areas with active cases- in some cases even welding all doors to an apartment building shut, except for one, so that they can monitor who comes and goes. The lock down in China is unprecedented, and even with it, it has taken months for things to "cool off" in areas like Wuhan. Also, many experts believe that once said lock down lets up, it is just going to flare right back.

In the US? Sorry, that kind of lock down will never work here. Hence the fear that 10s of millions could become infected.

 

[Disneylover99]

China is being cautiously optimistic, but they are not letting down their guard.

 

[Brett Wyman]

1. The 10 million is the worst case scenario and after a very long length of time. 18 months I think. Seasonal influenza in 6 months infected 36 mil, sent 17 mil to the doctors, and killed 22,000. Seasonal influenza killed 22k in 6 months in the US. And we still went to WDW.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm2. A communist nation can lockdown their citizens in ways a democracy just could never do.

 

[RamblingMad]

2. A communist nation can lockdown their citizens in ways a democracy just could never do.

It'll happen. Check out Italy.

 

[Brett Wyman]

It'll happen. Check out Italy.

Even with Italys lockdown they have liberties the Chinese didn't. No one in Italy had a MP knock on their door, take their temp, and throw them into a covid-19 camp against their will.

 

[superme80]

I believe nothing China says.

 

[RamblingMad]

Even with Italys lockdown they have liberties the Chinese didn't. No one in Italy had a MP knock on their door, take their temp, and throw them into a covid-19 camp against their will.

Their healthcare system is past capacity. Imagine if you had a heart attack. People are going to start dying for reasons other than COVID-19.

 

[Brett Wyman]

Their healthcare system is past capacity. Imagine if you had a heart attack. People are going to start dying for reasons other than COVID-19.

No arguing that. Im not sure which point you're replying to.

 

[RamblingMad]

No arguing that. Im not sure which point you're replying to.

They have to lock everyone down until their healthcare system can get back to under capacity. They don't have a choice.

 

[HeatherC]

What you've got to understand about China- they have literally locked down the population in areas with active cases- in some cases even welding all doors to an apartment building shut, except for one, so that they can monitor who comes and goes. The lock down in China is unprecedented, and even with it, it has taken months for things to "cool off" in areas like Wuhan. Also, many experts believe that once said lock down lets up, it is just going to flare right back.

In the US? Sorry, that kind of lock down will never work here. Hence the fear that 10s of millions could become infected.

They just announced a stay at home order for Los Angeles county. Over 21 million in CA alone under a stay at home. I think more cities will be following suit in the coming days and weeks.

 

[MarkLT1]

They just announced a stay at home order for Los Angeles county. Over 21 million in CA alone under a stay at home. I think more cities will be following suit in the coming days and weeks.

Yes... however a stay at home order is significantly different from what China did. In China, you heard your neighbor cough next door? You call a number, and a half dozen guys in hazmat suits show up, wrestle your neighbor out of his apartment, and whisk him off to a quarantine facility. That kind of totalitarian enforcement will not be happening in the US.

 

[HeatherC]

Yes... however a stay at home order is significantly different from what China did. In China, you heard your neighbor cough next door? You call a number, and a half dozen guys in hazmat suits show up, wrestle your neighbor out of his apartment, and whisk him off to a quarantine facility. That kind of totalitarian enforcement will not be happening in the US.

Yes I totally agree. I was just pointing out that we are now seeing entire cities shut down. Something we would never imagined a month ago.
It is all so surreal.

 

[Brett Wyman]

Yes... however a stay at home order is significantly different from what China did. In China, you heard your neighbor cough next door? You call a number, and a half dozen guys in hazmat suits show up, wrestle your neighbor out of his apartment, and whisk him off to a quarantine facility. That kind of totalitarian enforcement will not be happening in the US.

Exactly my point. Californians are still allowed to exercise outside for example. China would not have that.

 

[MarkLT1]

Yes I totally agree. I was just pointing out that we are now seeing entire cities shut down. Something we would never imagined a month ago.
It is all so surreal.

Surreal is my "Word of 2020" so far, and totally encapsulates how this whole thing feels right now.

 

[HeatherC]

Surreal is my "Word of 2020" so far, and totally encapsulates how this whole thing feels right now.

As the saying goes...”this too shall pass”. Not soon enough, unfortunately. Stay safe everyone!

 

[Donzie]

I posted this in the other thread but same holds here. I just find it is absurb to think China did anything right or is ever reporting the truth. Their is no narrative except the Communist Party narrative. It spread throughout the world, they didn't contain or stop it!

To the original poster China did nothing correct. This isn't their first virus and they let it get out of their country (again). Had they really instituted Draconian measures immediately and had control of this virus it wouldn't be spread through out the world.

No one knows the real infected or dead numbers from China and we never will. At least in Democracies we can get an attempt at real data and eventually get answers. In China the oppressive government oligarchy controls the narrative through violence and even death for those who fall out of line. How many people will die and suffer (unintended consequences) due to an inability to respond quicker and contain this.

The attached article says for weeks after the initial outbreak the Chinese government said this virus showed no proof of spreading from human to human. Even though health officials were telling them the opposite.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/1...ing-chinas-incompetence-endangered-the-world/

 

[Donzie]

This is what really happened in China and no it's not contained, the spread is not over and more will die. Many (some risk their lives) to blame the government for a slow and inadequate response. To say China used Draconian methods and the virus spread has stopped in China or we should do what the Chinese did is nonsense. Unless your part of the Chinese Communist Ruling Party it's a lie and false narrative. Anyone pushing that garbage in the West is buying the propaganda and should look into multiple sources.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/1...alerting-world-about-coronavirus-dies-a-hero/

 

[MarkLT1]

I posted this in the other thread but same holds here. I just find it is absurb to think China did anything right or is ever reporting the truth. Their is no narrative except the Communist Party narrative. It spread throughout the world, they didn't contain or stop it!

Absolutely agreed.. Just to clarify, my post was in no way saying we should do what China did. It was simply to point out that *if* they are really not having new cases in places like Wuhan (which like many others, I don't trust the Chinese numbers), it was only due to the current draconian measures, which would not happen here. Additionally, as soon as those measures are relaxed, you'd start seeing it flare right back up. The whole thing is a hot mess, there and here.