China and St Bernards.

[DawnCt1]

DS#3 pointed this out to me and here is a petition to sign on line. Not that I think that it will do any good. The breeding stock has already been sent to China. More reasons why we should be more circumspect in our dealings with them. A country that has no human rights, laughs at animal rights.

http://www.petitiononline.com/sbd01/petition.html

In case this gets religated to the "urban legend" category. Here is the snopes link.
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/bernard.asp

Here is an older BBC link http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1155558.stm although I haven't found any evidence that things have changed; other than no one in their right mind would send a dog to China. Of course, that is water over the dam because they have the breeding stock of a wonderful, warm, loving rescue dog.
So flame away and accuse me of being xenophobic....again.

 

[alldiz]

signed the petition....

Although our problems with China go way beyond that.
They will rule the world soon.
Kerri

 

[Galahad]

So flame away and accuse me of being xenophobic....again.

OK, I'll be the first - this is racist and xenophobic. The snopes is nearly 7 years old and does little more than verify that there is indeed a petition. It admits that reports are merely "what someone has been told".

 

[DawnCt1]

OK, I'll be the first - this is racist and xenophobic. The snopes is nearly 7 years old and does little more than verify that there is indeed a petition. It admits that reports are merely "what someone has been told".

From the BBC article. Do you imagine that the diet has changed appreciably in 7 years? Has your diet changed appreciably in 7 years?

So imagine the dismay in Switzerland when the Chinese press started carrying articles recommending the St Bernard to those breeding dogs for food.

The dogs are large and meaty, they grow fast, breed well and have friendly temperaments - so they don't bite their handlers.

In vain the manager of China's largest St Bernard breeding centre tried to make things better by explaining that the point wasn't to eat the St Bernards - they were far too valuable, and were only being used to cross breed with local dogs.

In vain too to protest that the St Bernards he imported were not even from Switzerland - the mountain dogs were much cheaper in Russia and Kazakhstan.

 

[punkin]

May I also point out that a few weeks ago there was a puppy mill raid in VA where over 1000 dogs were kept their whole lives in small rabbit hutches and never let out to even stretch their legs. The females were kept pretty much continually pregnant and/or nursing, just so some Americans could get they designer dogs from pet stores or online. Any outrage for this systematic torture of animals or is that reserved for the Chinese?

BTW, I am particularly sensitive to the plight of St. Bernards having owned one for 12 years.

 

[reeeoga]

The differnce between eating a dog, a cow, a rabbit, a sheep or a pig is what?

They are animals that someone wants to eat. If they are raised correctly and killed quickly and as humanly as you can kill something, I don't see the problem.

 

[JimFitz]

Different strokes for different folks. Leave other cultures alone.

We may not like what others do but it's not our place to dictate what they should be doing.

Dawn - You really need to get out more.

 

[DawnCt1]

May I also point out that a few weeks ago there was a puppy mill raid in VA where over 1000 dogs were kept their whole lives in small rabbit hutches and never let out to even stretch their legs. The females were kept pretty much continually pregnant and/or nursing, just so some Americans could get they designer dogs from pet stores or online. Any outrage for this systematic torture of animals or is that reserved for the Chinese?

BTW, I am particularly sensitive to the plight of St. Bernards having owned one for 12 years.

Absolutely you may point that out. It is certainly outrageous and that outrage was expressed here on this BB as it was in our press. Clearly that is abusive and it was shut down and there will be legal consequences. Raising dogs for food however is not illegal in China and there is a market for it.
There are over 2 million links to the subject. I see no need to post them here.

 

[DawnCt1]

Different strokes for different folks. Leave other cultures alone.

We may not like what others do but it's not our place to dictate what they should be doing.

Dawn - You really need to get out more.

This country has already banned the import of dog fur in 2002. We can have a say about what imports are acceptable.

The US banned the import, export, sale and production of cat and dog fur in the US in 2002 -- when evidence was shown that dog fur was being sold on parka jackets at the Burlington Coat Factory and on cat figurines on sale at Hallmark. Both retailers had no idea the items contained real fur.
With the loss of the US market, sales appear to have shifted to the EU to make up for lost revenues. Humane Society International (the international arm of Humane Society of the US) has found cat and dog fur readily on sale in Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Denmark, Belgium and a group Bont voor Dieren found it in the Netherlands.

Speaking of getting out more, where are YOU?

 

[punkin]

Absolutely you may point that out. It is certainly outrageous and that outrage was expressed here on this BB as it was in our press. Clearly that is abusive and it was shut down and there will be legal consequences. Raising dogs for food however is not illegal in China and there is a market for it.
There are over 2 million links to the subject. I see no need to post them here.

The owner was not charged with anything. He was allowed to keep 200 of the dogs.

I can't judge the Chinese because things just as bad are happening in my own back yard. I prefer to clean up my own mess before commenting that my neighbor is a slob.

 

[yeartolate]

The differnce between eating a dog, a cow, a rabbit, a sheep or a pig is what?

Sadly I must agree. I love my pets dearly, but who am I to say that I can have my bacon and they can't have their dog?

 

[DawnCt1]

The owner was not charged with anything. He was allowed to keep 200 of the dogs.

I can't judge the Chinese because things just as bad are happening in my own back yard. I prefer to clean up my own mess before commenting that my neighbor is a slob.

I think it is awful that they weren't shut down; clearly that was a state decision. One just needs to look at the Michael Vick case to see how most Americans do not tolerate deliberate animal abuse and most abusers face consequences. I think we can make judgements, even when things aren't ideal in our own back yard. If we waited until they were, a lot of horrendous behavior would go unchallenged.

 

[LakeAriel]

yeah we have our own animal issues here indeed..Now..at this very minute...



More Mutilated Dogs Discovered



Friday, November 16, UDPATED: 5:48 p.m.
By Josh Brogadir

There is another disturbing discovery being investigated by local authorities.


A state trooper and two humane society officers examine the body of a mutilated dog found Friday near Carbondale.


Police in Lackawanna County said two more dogs were found Friday, killed, skinned and left on the side of a road. Humane officers were devastated by the discovery.

Just days after three dogs, including two puppies, were found dead and mutilated in Wyoming County, humane society officers are investigating a similar situation in Lackawanna County.

Authorities think the dogs were likely thrown off the side of a road near Carbondale just hours before they were found Friday morning.

The vet who did the necropsy said the animals were dogs, not coyotes, which he could tell by their teeth and muscular skeleton. He said they are one-year old dogs of a long-nose breed.

Authorities said the two dogs were killed, skinned, their carcasses dumped on the side of a rural stretch of Dundaff Street in Fell Township, near Carbondale.

State troopers said they got the call about 11 a.m. PennDOT crews checking the drains for the winter made the grisly discovery.

"They look fresh. Rigor mortis doesn't seem to be set in," said humane officer Jamie Marciano, who added it appears the dogs had been dumped there just a few hours before they were found.

Lackawanna County Humane Society officers examined the carcasses while troopers took photos for evidence.

"I'm seeing wounds that look like bullet holes but I'm not sure, until we have the necropsy done. I don't see an exit wound, but if it is a bullet hole, we're going to find a bullet in there," said humane office Tina Walter. "It's very upsetting and I can't believe that we have two more skinned dogs."

A few days ago, the same humane society officers were called to a report of the carcasses of three beaten and skinned dogs in Wyoming County near Tunkhannock.

The veterinarian who examined those dogs said they were so badly mutilated he couldn't even determine their breed.

Humane society officers think the male and female found Friday look like the same type of dog as the ones killed in Wyoming County but they can't be sure.

They think there is a troubled person out there and can't imagine who would do this.

"Normal complaints you just try to help the animals. In this case, we'd like to try to find the person who did this to these dogs. Two different areas, the same situation, I just hope we can find the people who did it," Marciano added.

Humane society officers said the dogs' nails look trimmed and it appears that they were owned. They were dumped not far from a spot where people have dumped wild animal carcasses.

If you have any information about any missing dogs or about who might be responsible, call the Humane Society of Lackawanna County at 570-585-0510.

State police stress the charges are serious and someone convicted of animal cruelty would likely face jail time.

 

[DawnCt1]

yeah we have our own animal issues here indeed..Now..at this very minute...





State police stress the charges are serious and someone convicted of animal cruelty would likely face jail time.

And that is the bottom lined. Its not state/government sanctioned behavior and our own government has taken steps not to be a market for dog and cat fur products.

 

[LakeAriel]

And that is the bottom lined. Its not state/government sanctioned behavior and our own government has taken steps not to be a market for dog and cat fur products.

We have your highness Dick Cheney bagging dozens of birds in a "canned hunt"..Can't get more brutal then that..

 

[punkin]

I think it is awful that they weren't shut down; clearly that was a state decision. One just needs to look at the Michael Vick case to see how most Americans do not tolerate deliberate animal abuse and most abusers face consequences. I think we can make judgements, even when things aren't ideal in our own back yard. If we waited until they were, a lot of horrendous behavior would go unchallenged.

Yup, just like it is China's decision to allow the sale of dog meat. I don't agree with it. I think it is awful. I think you are right that it is unacceptable in this country. However, I think focusing on China when we have the same or worse things happening here is a little....xenophobic?

 

[LakeAriel]

Yup, just like it is China's decision to allow the sale of dog meat. I don't agree with it. I think it is awful. I think you are right that it is unacceptable in this country. However, I think focusing on China when we have the same or worse things happening here is a little....xenophobic?

Bingo!

 

[Mugg Mann]

DS#3 pointed this out to me and here is a petition to sign on line. Not that I think that it will do any good. The breeding stock has already been sent to China. More reasons why we should be more circumspect in our dealings with them. A country that has no human rights, laughs at animal rights.

http://www.petitiononline.com/sbd01/petition.html

In case this gets religated to the "urban legend" category. Here is the snopes link.
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/bernard.asp

Here is an older BBC link http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1155558.stm although I haven't found any evidence that things have changed; other than no one in their right mind would send a dog to China. Of course, that is water over the dam because they have the breeding stock of a wonderful, warm, loving rescue dog.
So flame away and accuse me of being xenophobic....again.

I'm fascinated by the fact that you now use Snopes.com to verify your claim, when you've disavowed them in the past.

And why is that?

Here's another claim you've made over and over and over here on the DIS. In fact, you've said it so many times that a quick search produced numerous examples. Here's just one of them;

You have examined Al? He seems delusional to me. In addition to these latest rantings, lets not forget that he invented the internet and the book "Love Story" was written about he and Tipper. I don't think old Al has both oars in the water.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1029979&page=17

Since you consider Snopes to be credible, here's what they say about your statement;

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the Internet.

Status: False.

Origins: Despite the derisive references that continue even today, Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The "Al Gore said he 'invented' the Internet" put-downs were misleading, out-of-context distortions of something he said during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

So which is it, Dawn, because it can't be both at the same time. Long time readers of the DIS know that you've contradicted yourself many times over and over again in the course of making your arguments;

Is Snopes incorrect about Gore and thus your initial post is invalid?

or

Is Snopes correct about Gore and thus you are in fact being, by the definition of a source you yourself say is valid, unreasonable when you continue to make the claim about Gore. And if so, what else are you being unreasonable about?

 

[dcentity2000]

"If it has four legs and is not a chair, has wings and is not an aeroplane, or swims and is not a submarine, the Cantonese will eat it."

~ Prince Philip (1986)



Rich::

 

[PrincessTiff]

I signed it.