Child-free, but not by choice?

Thanks so much ladies!! I'm angry that it was a m/c instead of a good old fashoined BFN, but am glad that it was an early m/c at least. We hadn't even told our parents yet, so we don't have to un-tell, which is a good thing! Our poor parents have been through this emotional roller coaster with us, so anything I can do to spare them more pain is a good thing.

DznyLover -- I am so very sorry for you losses! This is my 3rd loss, and ironically my "easiest" loss, both physically and mentally. My beta was 37 today, and will hopefully be Zero when I go back on Tuesday. Have a great trip in September! I will be at WDW in Sept. as well (9/14-9/21). Disney is the cure all for everything! Glad to here you are getting to an RE, and I hope it works out for you!!

Suzanne -- Thanks for the kind words and thoughts!! You seem to be at peace with your decision to stop trying, and I am glad for that. I wish you the best as well!!!
 
Wow 5 1/2 years... Yeah, it's almost not worth my mental well being, I'm sure everyone understands what I mean. I still think about it 100000 times a day... I cry almost every day. I would have been 8 months now. :( I feel like crying right now as I speak.
I always hear about that lady that has 16 kids (BTW she's HAVING ANOTHER ONE) those people that are on TLC... and it's just not fair! She has not a care in the world and keeps popping out babies. Not even three months go by from the last time and she's pregnant again! (IMO 17 kids is just15 too many!!!!!) But anyway, I just want it to be over and done with. I want to be put to sleep for 9 months next time I'm pregnant and just wake up and it's done. Or better yet, admit me to the hospital for 9 months. I'll feel MUCH better that way. I travel an hour to work each way, work is so stressful, I can't even imagine being pregnant right now, I'm just a mess. People are telling me to "go see someone" in other words, a psychiatrist, but I think it's normal to feel this way. My life was to be forever changed and now it's not. I can feel however I want!! :)
Thank you Princess Suzanne for keeping me in your thoughts as will I keep you in mine.:hug:

Oh boy, do I know what you mean. Well, if I'm not mentally insane now, I never will be. I don't know how I have managed this long. Now since I am not obsessing about having a baby, I am obsessing about Disney.

I couldn't believe it when you said that Duggar woman was having another baby, she needs to "Get Real", like Dr. Phil says. She has lost her mind. She need to get on some birth control, or at least show a little self control. I can respect someones choice to not use birth control, but COME ON 17 children :scared1:.

You have every right to feel anyway you darn well please. As women, we have earned that right, especially after everything we have been through. Sometimes, I feel like I don't have a right to feel this way, because I have never even been pregnant, never gotten a BFP (not even a false positive), but it still hurts, I even feel like less of a woman. Kick, scream, cry, get mad, get angry, do whatever makes you feel better. I like to scream until I can't catch my breath, then end up crying.

If you need to talk or vent, or just share, feel free to PM me anytime.

Suzanne princess:
 
Thanks so much ladies!! I'm angry that it was a m/c instead of a good old fashoined BFN, but am glad that it was an early m/c at least. We hadn't even told our parents yet, so we don't have to un-tell, which is a good thing! Our poor parents have been through this emotional roller coaster with us, so anything I can do to spare them more pain is a good thing.

DznyLover -- I am so very sorry for you losses! This is my 3rd loss, and ironically my "easiest" loss, both physically and mentally. My beta was 37 today, and will hopefully be Zero when I go back on Tuesday. Have a great trip in September! I will be at WDW in Sept. as well (9/14-9/21). Disney is the cure all for everything! Glad to here you are getting to an RE, and I hope it works out for you!!

Suzanne -- Thanks for the kind words and thoughts!! You seem to be at peace with your decision to stop trying, and I am glad for that. I wish you the best as well!!!

Have they tested you as to why you are miscarrying? Or can they not give you a reason?? I'm just so frusterated with the whole thing... I lay in bed at night trying to sleep and all these throughts run through my head "Maybe it's this, maybe it's that, maybe if I tell the doctor this, and Oh I have to tell him this, that and this"
This is every day I have these random thoughts where now I'm writing everything down so I can remember to ask the RE.
I feel like my first pregnancy was "supposed to be", my Levels were all good, but it was a "blighted ovum" in the long run. Even when I bled at 10 weeks, the MD said I was closed tight and needed a D&C! Almost like it didn't want to let go :(
Do I have bad eggs?? Is that even possible?? Am I ovulating, but not exactly right.. is THAT possible?? Can you ovulate just a little bit, but not enough to hold a pregnancy? ugh! More questions for the RE....

Princess Suzanne...
Yeah this crazy Duggar woman is insisting that "it's God's way" but it's also Gods way to give you the knowledge when you can and can't get pregnant and also to use some b/c!!! I just think the whole thing is rediculous!!! I remember seeing an early TLC show where they said when they first got married she was on the pill and after she went off it, she had a miscarriage and they are blaming it on the pill. Whatever.. I know that's not true, but it's whatever they believe, I guess.. ughhhh
I feel like you do also... I tell my DH that the main thing a woman is supposed to do in life is to have children and make more life and I can't even do that! I get so mad at me, life, God... Unfair is the word...
My husband asked me the other day, what if I found out I was pregnant now... I told him I'd be upset. UPSET!!!! I'm so scared to be pregnant and I am going to be upset if I GET pregnant again right now!!! My body is soooo not ready for it!!! Not in ANY WAY!

BTW- Pirates- dead mans chest is on Showtime HD if anyone's interested. It's 1/2 way through. :)
 
The bad news: I just had another miscarriage.

Oh no! :grouphug: I'm so sorry Nennie!

It's good that you get to try again soon and that you didn't have to untell anyone. But, this also means you have less support on your emotional rollercoaster. If there's anything we can do, please ask. :grouphug:

People are telling me to "go see someone" in other words, a psychiatrist, but I think it's normal to feel this way. My life was to be forever changed and now it's not. I can feel however I want!! :)

I agree. You can feel however you want, and it's probably normal to feel the way you do. But, I don't think that means therapy couldn't help. I'm a cognitive scientist, I've been involved in church all my life and have been going to a great retreat centre in the Catskills for 17 years. Therapy doesn't have to be about changing the way you are feeling. It could be about finding the courage to try again. Or, about finding ways to deal with your anger, sadness, frustration, etc. If nothing else, therapy can be a place where you can focus on 'me, me, me' without ever having to wonder if it's okay. JMHO

Have a great trip in September! I will be at WDW in Sept. as well (9/14-9/21).

Hey, I haven't been paying enough attention to these dates. I'm going to be at WDW Sept. 21-28th. Maybe we'll pass in the airport.

Well, If you need to talk or vent, or just share, feel free to PM me anytime.

You too Suzanne.

Am I ovulating, but not exactly right.. is THAT possible?? Can you ovulate just a little bit, but not enough to hold a pregnancy? ugh! More questions for the RE....

Yes. Both of these scenarios are possible. The argument for the drugs I'm now taking is to overcome this problem. I'm glad you got an appointment with an RE. Ask lots of questions!

:grouphug: to all. Welcome to the newcomers.
 

Sorry for the Me, Me, Me post!!!! I just had to let it all out!!

I promise to get out of my funk, and be a better poster!!!

Nennie- You have every right to be in a funk. We all understand the ups and downs of this process. I'm so sorry to hear about your miscarriage. I am glad that you don't have to take a long time off though.

Suzanne/DznyLvr- I just recently heard about this Michelle Duggar lady. So is there a whole show about her and her family? Maybe I'll have to tune in while I'm off this summer. Or maybe not... I'm sure it will just make me mad!

Hematite- I agree with your approach to therapy. I've been in therapy for as long as I can remember. I had an eating disorder as a teenager and have been going to sessions with a therapist ever since. I don't feel that this "cures" me in any way, but it does give me a chance to express some of my feelings. I also have been to some IF fertility support groups that have helped me. It helps to know that I'm not the only one struggling with this. DP is very understanding, but she still doesn't know entirely how frustrated I can feel.

Well, my DE-FET cycle officially starts tomorrow morning. I've been kind of down and frustrated lately (IF just SUCKS!!!), but I am trying to get myself psyched for the cycle. This is by far my best chance of getting pregnant.

Also- We leave for Disney in just 6 DAYS! I can hardly wait!

:love: Hugs to all!
 
Hi Everyone!

I hope everyone is having a great weekend. We have been laying low all weekend, and I'm trying to talk DH into going to see POTC this afternoon!

RDogWalt -- Best wishes for your DE FET!!! Do you have an estimated date for the ET yet? I've been thinking about trying a DE FET next year. I still have one more fresh IVF to try (have only done 2 fresh cycles so far), which I will probably do over the winter if nothing comes out of these IUIs. And of course, have a fabulous time at WDW!!!!!

Hematite -- Thanks so much for the support!!! How funny that we will overlap at WDW by a day. Too bad we won't overlap more, or we could have met up for a drink at Epcot or something! We'll probably cross paths in the airport (but just won't know it, lol)!

DiznyLover -- Each of my losses has been for a different reason, so there's no real medical theory as to why each loss happened (ectopic, then stillborn, then the most recent natural m/c). I'm so glad that you are seeing an RE!! I hope it's just the start of good things to come!

Suzanne -- UGH! I hate the Duggar woman too!! She has the older children raising the younger children...what's the point? I also hate the charity drives for these kinds of people who have more children than they can afford. double ugh!! LOL!!
 
Suzanne -- UGH! I hate the Duggar woman too!! She has the older children raising the younger children...what's the point?

Yeah, she calls it "the budy system" if you want kids, you should raise them yourself, and if u can't, then STOP HAVING KIDS!!! These kids have no idea what the real world is like. She home schools all of them and they aren't allowed to do anything, but go to church related things. Even at 'play time' the girls have to wear dresses (that they sew themselves)
I remember seeing a show about them last week and the little 4 years old had to drag the garbage out, he barely could move the cans!

Hope everyone has a great holiday today!
 
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Apparently the Duggar family lives completely debt free :eek: . If you saw the first one when she was pregnant with #16, They paid off all of their bills, never had credit cards and are now living debt free :scared1: . Dad Duggar is a realtor and makes alot of money, so as far as I know they never received any charity until someone came in to help finish the house and decorate it. But we all know they probably receive a substantial amount of money for doing these shows on TLC. UGH!!!!! I found a personal website that Dad Duggar is doing and they give info about contacting them, and I seriously thought about it, asking her how she felt about popping out all these kids and their being women in the world like us, but my better judgment got to me, WTH!!!!

R Dog, check out TLC.com and you can find out when they are airing the shows about the Duggar Family. It started a couple of years ago and just keeps getting better :rotfl2:. Thay even took the kids to DL last summer. Can't imagine what that cost them.


But seriously, Happy Memorial Day to everyone.

Suzanne princess:
 
Yeah, she calls it "the budy system" if you want kids, you should raise them yourself, and if u can't, then STOP HAVING KIDS!!! These kids have no idea what the real world is like. She home schools all of them and they aren't allowed to do anything, but go to church related things. Even at 'play time' the girls have to wear dresses (that they sew themselves)
I remember seeing a show about them last week and the little 4 years old had to drag the garbage out, he barely could move the cans!

Hope everyone has a great holiday today!


Sickening isn't it :sick:. You know my husband came from a large family. His father is one of 11 and his mother is one of 7, but back in the day their families were started there was a reason, they needed these children to make a living, and as my mother said there wasn't any birth control, but times have changed ALOT and this isn't necessary.

BTW have you seen the 2 new series I get them on Discovery Times or Discovery Health, but they also come on TLC, they are Jon and Kate plus eight, and Kids by the Dozen both are unreal adn I could go on and on about them, but I really don't feel like it today.

I am so proud of me, though, I grilled out yesterday and I also did some yard work, of course today I am paying for it, because my knees are screaming :eek:, but my mom's yard looks better.

Suzanne princess:
 
Sickening isn't it :sick:. You know my husband came from a large family. His father is one of 11 and his mother is one of 7, but back in the day their families were started there was a reason, they needed these children to make a living, and as my mother said there wasn't any birth control, but times have changed ALOT and this isn't necessary.

BTW have you seen the 2 new series I get them on Discovery Times or Discovery Health, but they also come on TLC, they are Jon and Kate plus eight, and Kids by the Dozen both are unreal adn I could go on and on about them, but I really don't feel like it today.

I am so proud of me, though, I grilled out yesterday and I also did some yard work, of course today I am paying for it, because my knees are screaming :eek:, but my mom's yard looks better.

Suzanne princess:
I like that show, John & Kate plus 8! Those kids are adorable!! But she's different from the Duggars, she didn't know she was going to have 6 kids at once! lol
Her twin girls are sooo cute too!
I'm going to grill later today, I hope it doesn't rain. My sister and her BF are coming over.. then it's back to work tomorrow :(
 
I wish you ladies lots of baby dust, whether it comes biologically or through adoption, and if it doesn´t come to you, I wish you peace in your hearts.

DH and I have been blessed with our DD, and although we never thought we would be parents to an only child we feel we have been blessed with her.

Wow. I just happened to see this thread. This truely is a wonderful site. I've been through three IVF cycles. I have a 12-year-old son, the product of my first cycle, I didn't get pregnant the second cycle at all and I got pregnant with twins the third cycle. Unfortunately, one was ectopic and I lost both. Only someone who has struggled can understand the tragedy of that one, I was 12 weeks! On the brighter side, I have a beautiful 6-year-old whom we adopted at 20 days old and we would have never done that if I hadn't experienced that tragedy. Whenever I get sad about those twins, and believe me my husband and I still get sad, I think "God had a different plan, he knew we were supposed to adopt Jonathan". Hope this helps someone. :wizard: Lots of pink and blue baby dust to everyone!

I can relate to you. At 6 weeks pregnant my pregnancy was diagnosed as ectopic (through low levels of the Hcg hormone and a tras******l ultrasound), so the doctor performed a laparoscopy to remove the baby. I was devastated, so much that DH and I decided then that we would not have any children, since I would be at a higher risk for another ectopic (endometriosis, previous ectopic, twisted fallopian tubes and PID) and I would never forgive myself if I got another ectopic pregnancy and having to remove a living baby.

4 weeks later AF hadn´t come (and the doctor put me on the pill and you know how that works), so I took a HPT and got a BFP, called the doctor crying since I was terrified of losing another baby, and he said to go see him and probably the BFP was a result of the hormones from the ectopic pregnancy. I get to the office and he tells me that the only way to prove that I am not pregnant is with another tras******l ultrasound, which showed that I was indeed pregnant with a 10 week baby. The doctor´s face was really something! Of course he then said that maybe there would be some problems with the baby because all the drugs they gave me after the laparoscopy and should any problems arise to let the baby go.

7 months later our beautiful healthy baby girl was born, so miracles DO happen.

After doing a lot of research in the internet I thought the doctor was unethical because I hadn´t had any complications with the ectopic so I should have been given a Methrotexate (sp?) shot instead of surgery, but that would have killed my DD who no one had detected at the moment, so we never know why things happen the way they do.

PrincessSuzanne - thanks so much for the adoption information.

jjk1107 - People are very insensitive especially if they never had infertility problems. I have people tell me often too about getting pregnant like it's so easy. They make you feel guilty like if something is wrong with you, when none of this is our fault. I've had to come to terms with that. That's awesome on your adoption, you have something great to look forward to.

I was just browsing the internet earlier on adoption and there is sooo much information out there. Some agencies have pictures of the babies waiting to be adopted. It's so sad:sad2: I'm just scared because you hear of scammers or agencies promising you a baby and than nothing. I'm just a very suspicious person, so it's great to hear about all the success stories. I'm interested in adopting from Mexico, Guatemala or other Latin Am countries. DH and I are both Mex-Am and speak Spanish. The traveling part would be closer too. But it is costly, i was reading 10k or more depending where you adopt from. Right now, I'm not working because I had taken some time off to do the treatments so I'm currently looking for new employment. It would be great to get into a company with awesome health benefits and adoption assistance.:thumbsup2

For those of you going to WDW soon - I wish I was going too! I could use a trip especially right now. It does make you feel better at least for the time being someplace magical.:yay:

DH and I have considered adopting a second child (I am definetly not risking another ectopic pregnancy), but adoption in Mexico is a most difficult process, and we don´t even have a foster system here, so babies live in orphanages and the process can take years, so by the time you get a child, he or she might have been living in the orphanage for 3 years. It is impossible to get a baby, and surrogacy, etc are not used here.

The other thing is that some people would never consider adopted children part of their families, and adoptions are seen almost like a disease and of those few adopted children, many are never told, so all of these reasons make a lot of people want a baby who looks like them (which in our circle would mean not a native looking baby), and forget about chinese, etc babies here. I am so sad, because everyone loses in these ridiculous situations, parents and grandparents miss the joy of a baby and a baby misses the joy of loving parents.

I'm with you on this. I went through a miscarriage in August 2005, and was told by several people "at least you can get pregnant". It felt like my loss was turned into some sort of "trial pregnancy"...a test run, if you will. I'd rather not get pregnant ever then to get pregnant and then have that child die. The hopes are briefly lifted only to be crushed. It was the only time I've been pregnant. The thought of actually getting pregnant now terrifies me because I've already experienced one loss. I mean I want to get pregnant, but am scared of it at the same time because I know what happened the last time. Such a hard place to be.

All that said, both situations of never getting pregnant and getting pregnant but miscarrying are so incredibly hard and there really is no comparison...each person only understands the pain they have experienced and it's just horrible.

I am with you, no one can feel what you feel unless the go through the same. I don´t want to be able to get pregnant if I will lose that precious baby, in my case I would rather not get pregnant at all, but I have never been in the shoes of someone not being able to get pregnant, so definetly don´t know how I would feel if I were in their shoes.
 
Hello Ladies!

I hope everyone had a nice Memorial Day weekend! Mine was relaxing, as DH pampered me and took me out for ice cream every night. LOL! I needed a little endulgance though! I had my last beta yesterday, and my levels are down to 3.18, which means that nature took it's course (no D&C needed, which is a blessing). I'm going to cycle again in late June/early July. Think I will stick with a couple more IUIs, before traveling to NYU for IVF#3. Always an adventure, right?? :)

Julie -- Thanks for your warm thoughts to all of us, and congrats on your DD!

DiznyLover and Suzanne - I usually avoid those pregnancy/parenting shows on TLC and DHC like the plague, but maybe I will check out that show John and Kate plus 8!
 
I'm so sorry. Been there, done that, and it is sooo hard. :grouphug:
 
Hello Ladies!

I hope everyone had a nice Memorial Day weekend! Mine was relaxing, as DH pampered me and took me out for ice cream every night. LOL! I needed a little endulgance though! I had my last beta yesterday, and my levels are down to 3.18, which means that nature took it's course (no D&C needed, which is a blessing). I'm going to cycle again in late June/early July. Think I will stick with a couple more IUIs, before traveling to NYU for IVF#3. Always an adventure, right?? :)

Julie -- Thanks for your warm thoughts to all of us, and congrats on your DD!

DiznyLover and Suzanne - I usually avoid those pregnancy/parenting shows on TLC and DHC like the plague, but maybe I will check out that show John and Kate plus 8!



Hi Ladies, How is everyone today. I am at work EARLY :scared1: and not at all happy about it, my stupid co-worker has pulled some crap and said that she is on "bedrest", so I have had to change shifts early. She wasn't supposed to go on Maternity leave until after June 11, but I just knew she would pull something. Luckily this won't interfere with my vacation June 6 thru 11, at least not from the standpoint of my company, the supervisor for the department may not like it, but I don't care.

Nennie, I try to avoid those shows also, but Jon and Kate plus eight is really cute.

Hope everyone els is having a great day.

Suzanne princess:
 
Hi Girls!!!

I've been reading, but haven't but up to posting lately. I have a case of the "Poor Me's"! LOL!!!

The good news: We just got back from WDW, and had a fabulous time!!!!!

The bad news: I just had another miscarriage.

The annoying news: Had I known I was going to have a m/c, I would have just gone on Rockin Roller Coaster and all the other thrill rides!!

The refreshing news: At least I m/c super early, so I just have to take one cycle off, before getting started again.

Sorry for the Me, Me, Me post!!!! I just had to let it all out!!

I promise to get out of my funk, and be a better poster!!!

I am so sorry! Sending out big hugs and prayers your way. I've been away for over a week and sorry to hear about this update from you!!!

Missie
 
Hi, Ladies! Sorry for the absense but I went home to NJ for the weekend. My sister, her bf, and my niece (age 5) went to the shore for the long weekend. We had a pretty good time and it was nice to get away from work for a bit.

My hubby is coming home on Monday night (AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH). I am so excited but anxious too. This is my last weekend to get the house all ready (kind of like nesting I guess). I have to go food shopping and stock up on all his favorites too.

The anxiety comes from readjusting to one another after nearly 16 months of being apart. Then there is the whole TTC deal. In the years we have tried we haven't seen a doctor yet about it because I just assumed we were young enough and it would happen again for us. It has now been almost 13 years since my first pregnancy and we've had no luck getting pregnant again. We were only actively trying for 3 years. So, I have a doctor's appt on June 25 and I am hoping that I can get my BFP within a few months. I know that I ovulate on my own as I chart every day and have for over 2 years now. I do tend to ovulate later than "normal" typically on CD 21. I also have a short luteal phase (10 days usually). We'll see what the doctor says about that.

Anyway, with DH coming home SOON I don't know how much I'll be around next week. I promise to return though!

TO all the newbies......WELCOME!!! I look forward to getting to know you all and getting our BFP's together!!!

Missie
 
I hope everyone had a nice Memorial Day weekend! Mine was relaxing, as DH pampered me and took me out for ice cream every night. LOL! I needed a little endulgance though! I had my last beta yesterday, and my levels are down to 3.18, which means that nature took it's course (no D&C needed, which is a blessing). I'm going to cycle again in late June/early July. Think I will stick with a couple more IUIs, before traveling to NYU for IVF#3. Always an adventure, right?? :)

Thanks for the well wishes and I'm glad you had a good weekend. Good luck with your next cycle...<fingers crossed>

my stupid co-worker has pulled some crap and said that she is on "bedrest", so I have had to change shifts early.

I'm sorry your schedule got mucked up. But, I'm glad it's not going to interfere with your disney trip.

Even though it is hard on you (and she hasn't been very understanding), I do hope your co-worker has a successful pregnancy. I wouldn't wish this kind of pain on anyone!

My hubby is coming home on Monday night (AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH). I am so excited but anxious too.

So, I have a doctor's appt on June 25 and I am hoping that I can get my BFP within a few months. I know that I ovulate on my own as I chart every day and have for over 2 years now. I do tend to ovulate later than "normal" typically on CD 21. I also have a short luteal phase (10 days usually). We'll see what the doctor says about that.

First, :yay:.

Second, I'm glad you have a doctor's appointment. Some additional information (that I've gotten out of our clinic in the last few years). If your luteal phase is really only 10 days you would be unlikely to carry a pregnancy past the first few weeks without progesterone supplements. (Note: these supplements would delay the frequency with which you could try.) But, I have also learned that temperature tracking only pinpoints ovulation within 3 days. I show an ovulation temperature drop roughly 2 days before my bloodwork starts to show a surge. So, you might easily have a 12-13 day luteal phase which should be sufficient. Take all your charts and ask the doctor to check your hormone levels at all the important times. Good luck!

And, we will look forward to seeing you again once you're over the flurry of your DH's return.
 
Hey guys!

Not much time for personals! Just wanted to say I hope everyone has a great week. We're off to see the mouse!
 
I went away for the weekend and came back to only the one new post.

want2bamommy must be busy with her DH's return....R Dog Walt has gone to wdw....I hope the rest of you are having similarly good times.

PrincessSuzanne: how goes the early job shift? Is it really tough?
 
I went away for the weekend and came back to only the one new post.

want2bamommy must be busy with her DH's return....R Dog Walt has gone to wdw....I hope the rest of you are having similarly good times.

PrincessSuzanne: how goes the early job shift? Is it really tough?


Did you ever see the sleep shirt with Eeyore on it in his Pj's that says "I don't do mornings", well that is me. I am Eeyore most of the time, but that really describes me and always really has. My grandmother would come in to my room to wake me in the morning and I would just growl at her, so she used to call me "Little Mary Sunshine", Actually I was the little girl with the curl.

It probably isn't as tough as I want to make it, but I can't get used to a schedule change. About the time I get used to it, it will change back. I got behind last week because of the holiday, but I have a wonderful Supervisor, who is in another state, so I can get away with alot, adn I know how to kiss booty the right way:rolleyes1 . I only have to work today and tomorrow and then I am off until next Tuesday, on thursday, I am off to WDW. See I have something to look forward to. That is probably why I am in a good mood today. Well I better get back to work.

Suzanne princess:
 













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