Cheating the system

[Aliceacc]

(Stole this from another thread) Say you ultimately want to check in at your resort on April 1 but are afraid that if you call on May 1 previous year (11 months) that you will have trouble getting your reservation. You actually call on say April 25 previous year and make your ressie begin on March 25. The next day you call back and cancel the first night and add a night at the end. You do this each day "walking" the reservation forward until you are checking in on April 1. It is a way to get around the 11 month rule by a few days, giving you an advantage over everyone else who calls exactly at 11 months.

Thanks for the explanation!

 

[CMOORE185]

I must agree with a PP - you have too much time looking for cheaters on your vacation. I especially like how you add details as it becomes convenient. Why didn't you start off that you saw these people at the pool and then .... they were cheating the system?

The perception you are giving out (at least to me) is that you are embellishing your story to make it go your way.

I didn't seek out these people just noticed them. And yes I left out details, but not on purpose. I am sorry you feel I am making stuff up as I go along, but I am not. Of course I cannot prove it either way.

 

[LSchrow]

Interesting that being concerned about people using facilities that our dues pay for deserves unkind remarks.

exactly
the money for pool maintenance/repairs (including filtration system, vacuums, etc), payroll (lifeguards), pool area maintenance (repair/maintenance/replacement of chairs, tables, umbrellas, lounges; landscaping - mowing, trimming, powerwashing, cleaning), thousands of towels washed & dried daily (more payroll, more electricity, more machines needing repair & maint), etc....
has to come from somewhere - DVC dues (and for attached resorts, higher room rates).

being indifferent to wrongdoing is no different than doing wrong.

 

[robinb]

exactly
the money for pool maintenance/repairs (including filtration system, vacuums, etc), payroll (lifeguards), pool area maintenance (repair/maintenance/replacement of chairs, tables, umbrellas, lounges; landscaping - mowing, trimming, powerwashing, cleaning), thousands of towels washed & dried daily (more payroll, more electricity, more machines needing repair & maint), etc....
has to come from somewhere - DVC dues (and for attached resorts, higher room rates).

being indifferent to wrongdoing is no different than doing wrong.

And all of those costs will be paid by DVC members even if every single pool hopper is denied entrance.

 

[hakepb]

I'm suprised those guests don't park at the water parks.
It's still free parking, and you'd look more normal using a stop in a swimsuit.

 

[LSchrow]

And all of those costs will be paid by DVC members even if every single pool hopper is denied entrance.

simply:
more people = higher usage = more maint/repairs = increased costs/dues

 

[nalajms]

One possibility might be that the "suspicious persons" we're visiting guests staying at AKL. I recently stayed at AKL-club and we had some family visiting for the day. We went and asked at concierge if our day guests could use the pool with us- the answer was YES. There were no issues, we didn't CHEAT the system, we didn't teach our daughter how to cheat the system, we were honest and had fun.

I'm pretty sure that guests have to be accompanied by someone staying in the resort. Otherwise it's cheating as well

And all of those costs will be paid by DVC members even if every single pool hopper is denied entrance.

There are fixed costs (like the lifeguard, regular maintenance) and variable costs (towels, wear and tear). The fixed costs would be there regardless. The variable ones would be significantly less.

 

[robinb]

simply:
more people = higher usage = more maint/repairs = increased costs/dues

For goodness sakes! We're talking about a handful of people per day so the extra cost is negligible. The complaints of evil pool hoppers is less about money spent of dues and more about "Get off my lawn, dagnabbit!".

 

[awilliams4]

You bet they do. My daughter has a co-worker who visits family in the Orlando area and she brags about how they catch the buses from DTD and pool hop all over the property. She even told her that they had been in the BLT pool which is restricted from pool hopping. Being a BLT owner DD told her that this was not allowed but the co-worker just laughed and said they do it all the time.

Kinda like going over to someone's back yard and jumping into their pool without permission.....our maintenance fees pay for the upkeep of that pool.

I would probably confront that person a tad to let them know how rude that is.

 

[twinsouvenirs]

I think a question that should be asked is whether it is cheaper to have dues cover CMs to enforce the policy or have dues cover the additional maintenance for the pools, if you are thinking about it from a members perspective. Since the pools are shared with the resorts, as members we have already surrendered some amount of control over these maintenance costs. I am not justifying rule breaking, but economically the cost of a few rule breakers may be less than the cost of the CM checking bands on non-peak days. I think it definitely makes sense to have the enforcement on high traffic days but it may be more costly to have regular/consistent enforcement than it is worth. A lot of DVC'ers were annoyed by potential dues jumps associated with additional lifeguarding hours and this would be a similar additional expense.

I am not worried about this particular issue at all, I worry more about room upkeep

 

[awilliams4]

I think a question that should be asked is whether it is cheaper to have dues cover CMs to enforce the policy or have dues cover the additional maintenance for the pools,

True, but to put this into perspective, you have a pool that you are collectively paying for that includes a gate, fence, signs, locks, etc basically saying stay out this is not yours and they do it anyway....a back slap across the face would be free.

 

[Lorilais_mommie]

Gated pools are easy to get into. Just wait for someone to come in or out and catch the gate before it latches. Or act like you forgot your room key. At SAB they have color coded wrist bands. I'm really glad to hear this. Another great use of MBs. Now they need to start scanning them on DTD buses.

I don't think Disney could do this at DTD, only cuz people do have Ressie at the resorts
and want to see the resorts for shopping or maybe we if they want to stay there next trip.

Now getting on a bus at the resort, going to a park! That's where they should be..
SSR has the biggest bus problem and the new bridge is not going to help the matter.
Not only does this stop non resort guests using resort buses but also remind people to bring there bands (left our 3 times in the room last trip) :-(

Have each bus driver ask to see bands as they get on!
Btw there is also normally a CM stationed at each resort bus stop now. Should there be a problem. At least that what we were told last Nov.

 

[Dean]

For goodness sakes! We're talking about a handful of people per day so the extra cost is negligible. The complaints of evil pool hoppers is less about money spent of dues and more about "Get off my lawn, dagnabbit!".

Imo the biggest issue is the integrity of the person involved. But there are real costs involved to both disney and DVC and there are real numbers involved, not just a person here and there. It'd be no different than looking the other way with someone smoking in a villa.

 

[catherines_mama]

DH and I drove into AKV and parked (we are DVC owners at SSR) and walked right into the pool and walked around. Peeked in the gym and relaxed in the lobby. Nobody questioned is re anything and this was Spring Break.

We are glad we got to as we wanted to get excited about our upcoming vacay

 

[LisaS]

For goodness sakes! We're talking about a handful of people per day so the extra cost is negligible. The complaints of evil pool hoppers is less about money spent of dues and more about "Get off my lawn, dagnabbit!".

In addition to the cost it's also that there are only so many lounge chairs and even fewer tables. It would bother me if I couldn't find two chairs together for DH and I (and it has happened several times) and it turned out that there were people taking up lounge chairs that shouldn't even be using that pool.

 

[robinb]

Imo the biggest issue is the integrity of the person involved. But there are real costs involved to both disney and DVC and there are real numbers involved, not just a person here and there. It'd be no different than looking the other way with someone smoking in a villa.

Apples and oranges. Smoking in a villa is not a "moral" issue as it actually damages the villa and requires it to be deep cleaned.

In addition to the cost it's also that there are only so many lounge chairs and even fewer tables. It would bother me if I couldn't find two chairs together for DH and I (and it has happened several times) and it turned out that there were people taking up lounge chairs that shouldn't even be using that pool.

I have no problem with DVC enforcing the pool rules at any time, especially when it's crowded and finding a couple of chairs together is difficult. I have seen people being asked to leave at BWV under those circumstances. I just don't think it's really a big deal in general and certainly not something I would let get under my skin and run to the DIS to complain about while on vacation.

 

[Dean]

Apples and oranges. Smoking in a villa is not a "moral" issue as it actually damages the villa and requires it to be deep cleaned.

That's just it, it isn't any different in my book because the principle question comes first AND there are real costs to the system for both issues. When it comes to ethics, I don't deal in degrees.

I have no problem with DVC enforcing the pool rules at any time, especially when it's crowded and finding a couple of chairs together is difficult. I have seen people being asked to leave at BWV under those circumstances. I just don't think it's really a big deal in general and certainly not something I would let get under my skin and run to the DIS to complain about while on vacation.

The questions wasn't whether it was a big deal, I actually think it is both because it represents the ethics of anyone who does that and I believe there are REAL costs to the system as well as REAL damages to the members trying to use the pool. DVC is the members, not a separate group. Plus I don't think the OP ran anywhere, only posted their observation though mentioning it to someone who had the potential to enforce it would have been reasonable if not preferable. While we don't know 100% this particular group was inappropriate, there really isn't a feasible explanation that suggests otherwise. Still, my comments are aimed at the principle, not a given person. Basically if it applies to one then I stand by my comments. It's just like when someone parks in a HC space and sprints for the door, you might think they're picking up someone appropriately but when they sprint back and leave, you know they're just bad people.

 

[Firebug]

They checked out in their bathing suits and had no luggage heading to a new resort...really? And I told you earlier they did not go to another bus stop at DTD. Your other two scenarios are reaching as well. I am not quite sure why you want to come up with unrealistic reasons instead of believing they cheated the system to swim at AKL?

Though I believe they were probably cheating the system, no luggage means nothing. I have changed resorts many times on vacations. Disney will move your luggage from one resort to the next there is no need for you to move it. I just call bell services they come get the luggage. We go to the park for the day come back to the new resort and get our luggage from bell services.

FB

 

[Halle]

exactly
the money for pool maintenance/repairs (including filtration system, vacuums, etc), payroll (lifeguards), pool area maintenance (repair/maintenance/replacement of chairs, tables, umbrellas, lounges; landscaping - mowing, trimming, powerwashing, cleaning), thousands of towels washed & dried daily (more payroll, more electricity, more machines needing repair & maint), etc....
has to come from somewhere - DVC dues (and for attached resorts, higher room rates).

being indifferent to wrongdoing is no different than doing wrong.

Well said. Thank you.

 

[ILUVALASKA]

I didn't seek out these people just noticed them. And yes I left out details, but not on purpose. I am sorry you feel I am making stuff up as I go along, but I am not. Of course I cannot prove it either way.

I support you and your concerns. Too many people walking around with blinders on. If more people spoke up about cheating in general, we might bring morality back to this country.