Cheating the system

[Spork24]

Thanks for posting that, I wasn't aware that AKL was on the no hopping list for DVC. (I was only aware of SAB). It still doesn't prove these people were cheating the system, they still could have been on their way to a new resort after checking out. I've also seen people coming back from the water parks taking the bus to the wrong resort and then have to get back on a bus. It's never happened to me but I guess some people can't read.

Also as Disney transport is open to all, it would be practical to take the bus from BB to AKL then to DTD if they were staying at one of the DTD area resorts.

 

[SkyMedik]

The pool thing annoys me and I agree it teaches kids the wrong thing.

But is walking a DVC reservation cheating too? I think so. Just food for thought....

 

[chalee94]

The pool thing annoys me and I agree it teaches kids the wrong thing.

But is walking a DVC reservation cheating too? I think so. Just food for thought....

the pool thing violates stated and publicly posted rules.

where does it say walking a reservation is wrong? (saying this as someone who has not walked a reservation - and will concede that it may cost a little more in dues as a result of increased load on MS but probably no more than when we had day-by-day booking when it was based on check-out date.)

 

[SkyMedik]

the pool thing violates stated and publicly posted rules. where does it say walking a reservation is wrong? (saying this as someone who has not walked a reservation - and will concede that it may cost a little more in dues as a result of increased load on MS but probably no more than when we had day-by-day booking when it was based on check-out date.)

I see your point, but to me it's like how the IRS governs things: form doesn't matter. They know there's too many ways to cheat the system for them to foresee, and so they can't list them all, but getting creative doesn't excuse you from circumventing rules that were clearly put in place to protect the rights of all. Just because someone is clever and finds a way to a means doesn't mean it's not unfair. While not listed as a rule, it's not something done in the spirit of how the rules were intended, and people know this. But, as you say, they're aware of it and haven't done anything to intervene. So shame on them I suppose.

Apparently soda costs them a lot more money and they had to tackle that problem with RFID first lol

 

[nalajms]

But is walking a DVC reservation cheating too? I think so. Just food for thought....

Walking is more in line with the ADR issue mentioned in an earlier post.

and will concede that it may cost a little more in dues as a result of increased load on MS but probably no more than when we had day-by-day booking when it was based on check-out date.)

I'm more annoyed that we may be footing the bill for MS calls to DVC members prior to their upcoming trips to sell some Membership Magic.

 

[CMOORE185]

It's quite possible that these people were not cheating the system. Did you see them head to a car when they got off the bus? All I read was they didn't head to the shops. DVC members are not only allowed to pool hop but encouraged to. We had a flier promoting it as a DVC perk in our room last trip. One of the best ways to get from hotel to hotel is to hop the first bus that shows up and transfer to the bus for your hotel when you get to the park/Dtd. Even If they weren't DVC they could have been transferring rooms that day and chose to hang at the pool after checkout instead of going to a park. (Bell services transfers all the bags)

The evidence listed does not prove they were cheating the system, although I'm sure it happens a lot.

I guess anything is possible but they headed away from the market place and not to another bus stop. I think the preponderance of evidence does prove a high likelihood they cheated the system. All in bathing suits headed to DTD, no MB's worn, and not going to market place or another bus stop. Not to mention another poster said pool hopping is not allowed at AKL.

 

[jlwhitney]

The pool thing annoys me and I agree it teaches kids the wrong thing.

But is walking a DVC reservation cheating too? I think so. Just food for thought....

Yes it is still cheating the system. Sure its allowed, its a loophole but still doesn't make it fair or right.

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Originally Posted by Princess_Nikki View Post
There was another thread on cheating the ADR system (by booking a resort reservation then canceling before arrival and staying off property), here on the boards. I was surprised by the amount of DISers who thought the OP shouldn't think it was a big deal and what's the big deal?

This is a different story. Making an ADR means spending money on Disney when you go to the restaurant. Using the pool without paying DVC dues or staying at the hotel is cheating. Plus isn't this the same thing as "walking" a reservation?

Sorry its still not a different story. Still working around the system to benefit yourself.

If things like this become a problem on Disney's side due to all the people that do it they can go away. Either way its still not the right decision to make. We need to teach our kids to follow rules, and not try to find every little way around them.

 

[Aliceacc]

Sorry, but what does it mean to "walk" a reservation?

 

[CMOORE185]

Thanks for posting that, I wasn't aware that AKL was on the no hopping list for DVC. (I was only aware of SAB). It still doesn't prove these people were cheating the system, they still could have been on their way to a new resort after checking out. I've also seen people coming back from the water parks taking the bus to the wrong resort and then have to get back on a bus. It's never happened to me but I guess some people can't read.

Also as Disney transport is open to all, it would be practical to take the bus from BB to AKL then to DTD if they were staying at one of the DTD area resorts.

They checked out in their bathing suits and had no luggage heading to a new resort...really? And I told you earlier they did not go to another bus stop at DTD. Your other two scenarios are reaching as well. I am not quite sure why you want to come up with unrealistic reasons instead of believing they cheated the system to swim at AKL?

 

[robinb]

OP, it seems to me that between 'catching' evil pool hoppers and cheaters at Universal you had a lot on your plate. I hope you had enough time to enjoy your own vacation instead of worrying about every else's vacation.

 

[SandiR]

Well, I have a completely different possible explanation for what the family could've been doing. The first time we stayed at disney, we stayed offsite in a DTD area. We went to a water park and waited for a shuttle bus back for almost an hour. None came so we didn't know what else to do. We ended up taking the first Disney resort shuttle that showed up. From there, we took a shuttle to DTD and then walked to our hotel.

You said the family were in bathing suits. Maybe they were in the same situation. It's possible.

 

[Dean]

We are at AKL right now and we were at the bus stop to Downtown Disney when a family of five came and were going to DTD in their swim suits, 1st clue. They had no magic bands on, 2nd clue. They got on the bus to DTD and we really started wondering, did this family come to AKL with the sole purpose of using the pool without staying at any Disney resort? When they got off at the Market Place stop at DTD they did not go into the Market Place, clue three.

Do people really do this! Use Disney pools when they are not staying at a Disney resort? They were either at an outside resort or were Orlando residents.

Yes, no different than DVC members pool hopping when not allowed or going to pools purposefully after closing. They're all dishonest people

 

[CMOORE185]

Well, I have a completely different possible explanation for what the family could've been doing. The first time we stayed at disney, we stayed offsite in a DTD area. We went to a water park and waited for a shuttle bus back for almost an hour. None came so we didn't know what else to do. We ended up taking the first Disney resort shuttle that showed up. From there, we took a shuttle to DTD and then walked to our hotel.

You said the family were in bathing suits. Maybe they were in the same situation. It's possible.

No, because we saw them at the pool.

 

[CMOORE185]

OP, it seems to me that between 'catching' evil pool hoppers and cheaters at Universal you had a lot on your plate. I hope you had enough time to enjoy your own vacation instead of worrying about every else's vacation.

I guess it still surprises me when people do this. And I am enjoying my vacation, thanks for your concern.

 

[CMOORE185]

Since the rude people (at least one) are starting to rear their ugly heads I would like to just say...I made a few observations and thought others would find it interesting and wondered if other people had seen this, that is all. Please keep the rude comments to a minimum....please.

 

[SkyMedik]

Sorry, but what does it mean to "walk" a reservation?

(Stole this from another thread) Say you ultimately want to check in at your resort on April 1 but are afraid that if you call on May 1 previous year (11 months) that you will have trouble getting your reservation. You actually call on say April 25 previous year and make your ressie begin on March 25. The next day you call back and cancel the first night and add a night at the end. You do this each day "walking" the reservation forward until you are checking in on April 1. It is a way to get around the 11 month rule by a few days, giving you an advantage over everyone else who calls exactly at 11 months.

 

[moran66]

With the cheating pool hopping thing as an akl owner I don't think it's really a big deal. If a few people want to park their car at downtown Disney wait for the bus for 20 minutes take a 20 minute ride to akl use the pool for a few hours wait another 20 minutes for the bus take a 20 minute bus ride soaking wet back to downtown Disney good for them. I don't see a lot of people wasting an entire day doing this in the future I mean of course it isn't right but why should I care ? It probly has been going on for some time and it hasn't really affected anything that I am aware of. Relax you are on vacation.

 

[moobar25]

One possibility might be that the "suspicious persons" we're visiting guests staying at AKL. I recently stayed at AKL-club and we had some family visiting for the day. We went and asked at concierge if our day guests could use the pool with us- the answer was YES. There were no issues, we didn't CHEAT the system, we didn't teach our daughter how to cheat the system, we were honest and had fun.

I agree that people cheat the system in Disney. But unless you know the entire story you can't say someone is doing so. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt- innocent until proven guilty kinda thing.

 

[moobar25]

We are at AKL right now and we were at the bus stop to Downtown Disney when a family of five came and were going to DTD in their swim suits, 1st clue. They had no magic bands on, 2nd clue. They got on the bus to DTD and we really started wondering, did this family come to AKL with the sole purpose of using the pool without staying at any Disney resort? When they got off at the Market Place stop at DTD they did not go into the Market Place, clue three.

Do people really do this! Use Disney pools when they are not staying at a Disney resort? They were either at an outside resort or were Orlando residents.

No, because we saw them at the pool.

I must agree with a PP - you have too much time looking for cheaters on your vacation. I especially like how you add details as it becomes convenient. Why didn't you start off that you saw these people at the pool and then .... they were cheating the system?

The perception you are giving out (at least to me) is that you are embellishing your story to make it go your way.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Interesting that being concerned about people using facilities that our dues pay for deserves unkind remarks.