Cheap question for Child's Ticket

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antkim said:
Now THAT crack me up!! Comparing drunk driving to this is a bit extreme, don't you think? Come on!

Come on what? I'm stating my opinion just as everyone else has. I gave other examples of doing something wrong and having someone say "do what is right for you and your family". Of course, all rules/laws that people break have different levels of severity but that certainly doesn't mean the less severe ones are ok because they aren't 'as bad' and that we should "do what is right for you". :rolleyes:
 
Okay - since everyone else has brought this up, here's my question on whether or not we're cheating. DH is going to WDW for business and the company is paying for the room (at Coronado Springs - which allows only 4 in a room). We have 3 kids, who we want to bring all of (none under 3). The company (& apparently Disney) doesn't care if you have 1 or 4 people in the room, the rate is the same. Several of DH's friends are coming without any family. One of them is listing my oldest son as his roommate (no price difference) to get him a key card (for early entry, etc.). However, he'll actually sleep in our room.

Is this cheating? Why? I realize that theoretically the Fire Marshall or whoever sets the rules could possibly care, but even then my 3 kids don't outweigh my husband, even put together. I don't see how it's a fire hazard since the concern seems to be crowding. Is it cheating Disney? Again, why? Because he sleeps in one room and not another? I realize it would be an entirely different issue if we were just going ourselves and that's why we stayed at (then) Dixie Landings on our last visit - to accommodate 5. But we are putting another person in our room - so he can sleep with us. I guess we could ask for rooms next to each other and he could actually sleep in one of 2 double beds next door if it came down to that! I just hear this mentioned so much that I had to hear why it was wrong!
 
beattyfamily said:
Come on what? I'm stating my opinion just as everyone else has. I gave other examples of doing something wrong and having someone say "do what is right for you and your family". Of course, all rules/laws that people break have different levels of severity but that certainly doesn't mean the less severe ones are ok because they aren't 'as bad' and that we should "do what is right for you". :rolleyes:


Drunk driving can kill someone....I've never heard of that happening because someone didn't buy their 3 yr old a park pass. :rolleyes:
 
marciemi said:
Okay - since everyone else has brought this up, here's my question on whether or not we're cheating. DH is going to WDW for business and the company is paying for the room (at Coronado Springs - which allows only 4 in a room). We have 3 kids, who we want to bring all of (none under 3). The company (& apparently Disney) doesn't care if you have 1 or 4 people in the room, the rate is the same. Several of DH's friends are coming without any family. One of them is listing my oldest son as his roommate (no price difference) to get him a key card (for early entry, etc.). However, he'll actually sleep in our room.

Is this cheating? Why? I realize that theoretically the Fire Marshall or whoever sets the rules could possibly care, but even then my 3 kids don't outweigh my husband, even put together. I don't see how it's a fire hazard since the concern seems to be crowding. Is it cheating Disney? Again, why? Because he sleeps in one room and not another? I realize it would be an entirely different issue if we were just going ourselves and that's why we stayed at (then) Dixie Landings on our last visit - to accommodate 5. But we are putting another person in our room - so he can sleep with us. I guess we could ask for rooms next to each other and he could actually sleep in one of 2 double beds next door if it came down to that! I just hear this mentioned so much that I had to hear why it was wrong!

The room limits at WDW are for fire code reasons so basically it's a fire hazard having more than 4 in a room made for 4. At the vacation club resorts they tell you this on the phone and will not give you any extra towels or sheets for a 5th person. They told me it was the 'fire code' reason when I inquired about this in 2003 when my niece was thinking of joining us.

So is it stealing? Maybe not. But it's against their rules that are in place for safety reasons.

I've heard that if you are honest and tell Disney on the phone, they will just warn you about the firecode but will not stop you. If they allow it, then I guess you aren't breaking the rules then; you got a free pass. If you are honest with them and they let you then I guess you can do it.
 

antkim said:
Drunk driving can kill someone....I've never heard of that happening because someone didn't buy their 3 yr old a park pass. :rolleyes:

Roll your eyes all you want. I was not specifically comparing those two things and calling them equal; I was making a point and I'm pretty sure you know it, but if it makes you feel better belittling me go right ahead. I can take it.

All rule breaking and law breaking is wrong no matter how big or small or severe they are and we shouldn't be advising people to "do what you feel is right". That IS my point and opinion.
 
I actually rolled my eyes because you did! LOL I am not belittling you at all I just thought it was a bit extreme...however the stealing a sweater from Walmart was a good one. ::yes::

Truce? :teeth:
 
antkim said:
I actually rolled my eyes because you did! LOL I am not belittling you at all I just thought it was a bit extreme...however the stealing a sweater from Walmart was a good one. ::yes::

Truce? :teeth:

Officially you rolled your eyes at me first but I am willing to call a truce! I'm sorry but this topic does bring out the worst in me.

Forgive me? After all we all do LOVE Disney when all is said and done...
 
:flower3: .......I did :rolleyes: first!! LOL Bad habit!

Now that that is settled what should we move on to? Refillable mugs? ROTFLMOA

Kim
 
antkim said:
:flower3: .......I did :rolleyes: first!! LOL Bad habit!

Now that that is settled what should we move on to? Refillable mugs? ROTFLMOA

Kim

Too funny! How about the PHP sharing! Oh wait, they really don't exist anymore do they?
 
marciemi said:
Is this cheating? Why? I realize that theoretically the Fire Marshall or whoever sets the rules could possibly care, but even then my 3 kids don't outweigh my husband, even put together. I don't see how it's a fire hazard since the concern seems to be crowding. Is it cheating Disney? Again, why? Because he sleeps in one room and not another? I realize it would be an entirely different issue if we were just going ourselves and that's why we stayed at (then) Dixie Landings on our last visit - to accommodate 5. But we are putting another person in our room - so he can sleep with us. I guess we could ask for rooms next to each other and he could actually sleep in one of 2 double beds next door if it came down to that! I just hear this mentioned so much that I had to hear why it was wrong!
OK ... here's the thing about rooms. It's fire code to only have four adults per room because of "person per square foot" requirements that are set up by people other than Disney. But as others have stated, you can get around that by simply fessing up to Disney that your son is registered with a friend, but will be sleeping in your room. For a child, they generally won't care, as the rules are really made to keep 15 college kids from sharing a single room on spring break.

So if Disney won't really care, why tell them? Well ...

Say there's a hurricane headed Disney's way, and all guests have been confined to rooms. Disney CMs go room to room, doing a check to make sure everyone is accounted for. They get to your room and you have five people instead of four. You tell them THEN that it's your son, he's registered with your friend who is staying in a different unit, and that it's okay for him to be there. Now, the front desk folks have to confirm his identity, double-check with the people checking the other unit that there is a "missing" child in your friend's room, and that everyone is where they should be. So it takes them a little longer to do a room-check while they verify all that. What's the big deal? If you've ever stood outside in the driving rain with a hurricane approaching, you'd understand. :umbrella: Plus, you've just caused more work, more radio traffic, and more confusion at a time when those things aren't needed.

Another, more extreme, scenario .... you and your kids are in the room asleep. There's a fire in the room above or adjacent to you, and the rooms in your unit quickly fill with smoke. You've all been overcome by the smoke, and the firefighters need to pull you out. But ... your son had gotten up to go to the bathroom and passed out there. The fire team looks at their list and it says "4 guests -- 2 adults, 2 children" and they figure they have everyone, so they move on. By the time you all become lucid again, your son is still trapped in your hotel room, but no one knew that because according to the list, they had everyone from your room. If your husband's business partner was staying in another part of the resort, he may not even know about the fire until the next day, so it's not like he's going to report the boy missing.

As I said, they're extreme examples, but it's the reason why Disney wants to know how many people are in each room. It's unlikely an emergency will happen, but if one does, wouldn't you rather they knew where you all were?

It's not cheating Disney to have him with you without mentioning it ... it just makes it harder for them to account for everyone if they need to. That's all.

:earsboy:
 
ON that note............ glad to see everyone getting along so beautifully! Whew............

But, you know I have ONE last thing to say on the subject........... then I'm off to pack for my trip............ hee hee

Anyone who thinks lying, cheating and stealing are NOT moral issues, I don't want to know you. Is this topic getting out of hand........ perhaps.
I would agree that you have to take every situation and "judge" it individually......... but for me, I would not "sneak" my child in, when my kids turned 3, we paid. Like I said before, personally, I think 3 is too young to have to pay for, just my opinion. Since it's not up to me, then I have no choice ~ I pay!
I agree with the op, that if the age was say 5.......... then YES, we would've gone to disney A LOT more, therefore, they would make more money.... more trips = more hotel stays = more eating = more souveniers, etc...... etc...... probably would've spent a lot more than the admittance ticket. But, the rules are the rules.......... follow them or not, but when you don't follow them, don't expect the people who do to applaud you for it! :love2:

Just my opinion............... Now, you guys can discuss the mugs all by yourselves...... I"m off to Disneyworld!!!
 
If they allow it, then I guess you aren't breaking the rules then; you got a free pass. If you are honest with them and they let you then I guess you can do it.

Ok...So why is it ok here and not at something else...If I walk up to the turnstile with wife and 2 childern...I have 3 tickets not 4 they let us all in no questions asked is that not the same thing as quoted...I believe it is...Does money make it different..No it doesnt....So by what you say since they ley me do I did not break the rules right?..Just trying to understand your reasoning....
 
I don't understand people who say a three year old shouldn't have to pay because they can't do much anyway. We've taken my little guy twice already - once at 12 months and once at 20 months. Other than a few rides in each park that had height requirements, he experienced and enjoyed pretty much everything. The percentage of attractions that a three year old couldn't enjoy is really small!
 
WDSearcher said:
OK ... here's the thing about rooms. It's fire code to only have four adults per room because of "person per square foot" requirements that are set up by people other than Disney.:

First, I am NOT disputing this is the official line and I am not going into having more to a room than the rules state since it is Disney's property. I just wish someone could rationalize for me that it is truly because of Florida fire codes because for instance, CBR and WL are both larger rooms that POR but 5 are allowed to a room in Alligator Bayou in POR and not at CBR and WL. I realize the AB rooms have a trundle but couldn't they add it to the other resorts with rooms the same size or larger IF they wanted to? And we've stayed at offsite hotels all over the state of Fla. whose rooms were just as small as a value and they allow 5 to a room. I'm not going to stay a week at WDW cramped but we've done it in a pinch when we're traveling and find a Holiday Inn late at night. We stay either deluxe or 2 rooms at a value when onsite and I don't have a problem with it. I just never have quite bought into it being a fire code issue.

A little OT but bringing food in the park was mentioned and I had to share this because it made me raise my eyebrows. I was chatting with some moms of my son's baseball team and she mentioned getting back from Disney. I started to ask her how she liked it, what they did, where they ate. She told me that they brought all their food into the park. They brought in sandwiches they had made at the condo, Burger King one day, KFC another and they made picnics. I had to be careful of what facial expression I had. I'm not trying to sound like a snob but you couldn't pay me on a dare to walk around the parks with a bucket of Kentucky Fried chicken in my backpack. And it was summer - how they didn't get food poisoning I don't know. And if went to get Burger King I would have eaten it on the way to the park in the car. What did they bribe security with a Whopper?
 
GEM said:
The percentage of attractions that a three year old couldn't enjoy is really small!

Very true! My daughter was tall enough (40 inches) at 3 years old for most of the thrill rides with the exception of one ride per park: Space Mountain, Rock and Roll Rollercoaster, Mission:Space and Primeval Whirl. At 5 and 45 inches the only thrill rides she does are Kali River Rapids, Test Track (yay! twice this trip) and Big Thunder Mountain (3 times, her first time this trip). Otherwise, she is a ride chicken ;).

That being said, I am in the "live and let live" crowd. If you want to sneak your 3 year old in, there's no skin off my nose. Like I said before ... I'm not the Morality Police. I bought my DD an AP when she was 3 and a pass to DL that same year. She's petite and many a CM tried to wave us through. We went ahead and put the pass in anyway since our WDW passes were AP's and our DL passes expired a few days after we left. Honestly, it gave us more Fast Pass opportunities. :smooth: Don't tell anyone.
 
OH lord, I had to stop packing on that one........... that's too funny!!!

Personally, of all the times I've been to disney, I've NEVER seen anyone bring in food like that! I have seen juice boxes for little one's or crackers, etc... but not a "picnic"....... I wonder where these people eat this at???? Has anyone else actually seen this???? Too funny.......... I'm with you Rafikifan....... you wouldn't catch me with the kfc bucket either!!! LOL
 
wendypooh said:
OH lord, I had to stop packing on that one........... that's too funny!!!

Go back to packing!! Just remember to bring some of those big 2 gallon size ziplocks. Hint: the original recipe travels better than extra crispy.
 
dolphindan1 said:
Ok...So why is it ok here and not at something else...If I walk up to the turnstile with wife and 2 childern...I have 3 tickets not 4 they let us all in no questions asked is that not the same thing as quoted...I believe it is...Does money make it different..No it doesnt....So by what you say since they ley me do I did not break the rules right?..Just trying to understand your reasoning....

I did not say 5 to a room was ok. I said if you are going to do it be honest and tell them and see what happens. That is what I said and that is what I meant.

I could say the same thing about the ticket issue. If you feel you are in the right by not buying your 3 year old a ticket for whatever reason, be honest and tell the CM at the turnstile and see what happens. If they don't make you buy a ticket and still let you in then I guess you just got a free pass and aren't doing anything wrong because you were honest and they let you through knowing you didn't have a ticket.

That's my reasoning.
 
beattyfamily said:
Too funny! How about the PHP sharing! Oh wait, they really don't exist anymore do they?


No they don't!!! LOL I was going to make another "comment" regarding another post to this thread but I figured I've already been enough of a wise *** here and I don't want to be completely hated! LOL I really don't want people to :rolleyes: when they see a post by me! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Can you feel the :love1: tonight?

Kim
 
wendypooh said:
OH lord, I had to stop packing on that one........... that's too funny!!!

Personally, of all the times I've been to disney, I've NEVER seen anyone bring in food like that! I have seen juice boxes for little one's or crackers, etc... but not a "picnic"....... I wonder where these people eat this at???? Has anyone else actually seen this???? Too funny.......... I'm with you Rafikifan....... you wouldn't catch me with the kfc bucket either!!! LOL

Well, I know some one, a co-worker of mine went to Disney (she is a vegetarians - but eat fish - her husband suffers from heartburn and acid reflux - so she often complains) they brought Veggie and Salmon Hoggie ingredients - the whole works - breads, mustards, veggies, and those little salmon packs (already cleaned packs).

This same co-worker goes to google.com and looks for conventions/gatherings at Disney that would be going on during her stay and books under the convention for really cheap rates. Is it classless - oh yeah!! Is it tacky - no doubt!!! But I must admit she's gotten some great stays and rates! She just returned (she went the week before Christmas) telling me about a family gathering on a Disney Cruise!!! So if your reunion or wedding spots a very petite unknown Italian lady in the crowd thats my Disney obsessed co-worker (and yeah she is active on this board) :cheer2:

If you read this - sorry I called you classless and tacky - I still love ya!!! :love2:
 
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