Cheap People

[Kath2003]

I've tipped nothing before. Asked for a cocktail recommendation, waiter had no idea. Asked for a main dish recommendation, waiter had no idea. Asked for a glass of water, three times, never materialised. Had to wait 20 minutes for a cosmo. Desserts arrived but he'd not cleared main course dishes. Empty glasses were not cleared. He got two cents.

The sad part is, it had a great bar attached with did great cocktails. We were out for an all-nighter. He could have got a FANTASTIC tip from us. As it was, we paid up and went to another bar until 3am.

 

[LotsOfQuestions]

I still cannot believe that some of you still have this train of thought.

I was on Disney Message Boards back in 1996 - and there were people like you then too.

It IS assumed I will be tipped unless *I* (not the kitchen, not the busser, not the food runner) *I* mess up. Its not a reward. A reward??? Are you serious??

Its folks like you (general you) that make serving such a joy. We see you coming from a mile away. You run us until we're ready to drop, and then leave us 5%.

And this is exactly the entitlement attitude I referenced in my previous post.

No matter how entitled you think servers are to tips, it is a payment based on the quality of service provided.

If a server provides sub-par service, they will receive a sub-par tip.

If I am paying a server $10, $20, $50 or more an hour, I expect service commensurate with that payment.

There are no different expectations for servers than any other paid employee in any other industry.

 

[BoyLovesBuzz]

I love tipping threads

 

[CathrynRose]

No matter how entitled you think servers are to tips, it is a payment based on the quality of service provided.

If a server provides sub-par service, they will receive a sub-par tip.

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I agree with you. And it is a sense of entitlement. I knew I had to work hard and be good at it, to be paid.

However, have you missed all the 'I didnt force them to be a server' attitudes? There are many people who dont tip - at all. And IMO - going into a full service restaurant, with no intention of tipping is stealing from that server. You took up their table, you took up their time - and theyre tipping out and paying taxes on your sale. Youre making them pay for you to be there.

 

[Angelhalo]

I understand and agree with that.

This poster didn't say that you shouldn't tip. In my mind they said that the price for the service is the one printed on the menu. The same as if you go into your grocery store, the price on the sticker is the price you are required to pay. Tipping is an extra if it is not printed on the menu. No one is entitled to that tip just because they do some work.

Not once have I ever said don't tip or I don't tip. What gets me going is people who feel that they are entitled to a tip just because they served me.

THEY ARE

 

[Angelhalo]

I'm a server I make 3.33 a hour. Yes That is all I make. You can;t count on any other money. 3.33 is a guarnteed. Tips aren't

I would never ever leave less then 15% for a tip. I don't care how bad the server is EVERYONE has bad days

I'm a great tipper but I disagree with this. If the service is bad, and I mean the service of the server, then the tip will reflect that. I want someone pleasant who pays attention to what the table needs. However I do not take it out on them if the food was slow etc etc.

 

[Angelhalo]

well thats a perfect example of someone that should have MORE class....what gives you the right to tell someone to eat at mcdonalds? Tip what you like when you go out to eat but to tell someone to eat at mcdonalds? oh pleeez I tip what I feel they earned not a penny more.If they did great than I will give a great tip...If I get very bad service they will get .50 cent.
I see what all the talk is about now....

ahhhhhhhhh joining a mob mentatlity against one person.........very classy

 

[Angelhalo]

they didnt say they DO NOT TIP...they were making a point.I do not care what a server thinks about a bad tip IF THEY GIVE BAD service....if I am eating somewhere and the silly waitress is to busy chatting up her buddies and flirting with guys to fill my glass or get me some napkins than she will go home broke and thinking maybe she should take more pride in her job, then I will pay for the food I ate and leave a very small tip.
Maybe it is not that more people are being cheap now...maybe it is because money is so tight they will no longer pay for bad service! gas is 4.00 a gallon here I will not pay for someone to ignore me through out my whole meal...

You keep changing your story though. one minute you say that you should tip for good service, but then the next minute you say that no one should EXPECT a tip.............if people didn't expect a tip for doing a good job then why even bother?

 

[In a hurry]

ahhhhhhhhh joining a mob mentatlity against one person.........very classy

Huh? I didn't see a mob? Wrong thread?

 

[livie1205]

ahhhhhhhhh joining a mob mentatlity against one person.........very classy

lol not worh the points...I have a vacation to plan... and a life so I dont have the time to go back and forth with a COMPUTER SCREEN about class...

 

[BoyLovesBuzz]

I know there is not, but I wish tipping would be based on something other then the total bill. The person that serves a $20 steak at Outback, doens't work any less hard then the one serving the $60 steak at the "$60 Steak House".

 

[jamimb]

Im so gonna get flamed for this but I think it is really stupid to base a tip on what your meal actually cost. Me and dh go to Ruth Chris and have and lets say we are there 2 hrs and our meal costs $150. 20% of that meal is $30 so even if the server only makes $2 an hour she has just made $34 for our table alone. (she probably made more because she waited on more than one table those two hrs) Thats crazy to me! Even if she only waited on 2 tables for those 2 hrs she made about $64 in 2 hours My dh dosent make that with a college degree. Lets say we go to Olive Garden and receive the same level of service (for most part anyway) but our meal was only $40. 20% of $40 is only $8. So server 1 gets $30 and server 2 only $8 beacuse our food was less makes absolutely no sense to me! We rarely tip over $5 no matter what the meal cost! (unless we are at really upscale restuarant which is rare) We go into applebees and are there for one hour, no matter what we ordered if our waiter only waited on us (when does that ever happen) they have still made $7 or $8 dollars. Not hardly the crime everyone is claiming it to be!!!!!!

 

[CathrynRose]

I know there is not, but I wish tipping would be based on something other then the total bill. The person that serves a $20 steak at Outback, doens't work any less hard then the one serving the $60 steak at the "$60 Steak House".

Yeah - but you kinda do. you work up to a $60 steak house, KWIM? Usually those servers have more experience, etc. And heck - if your server was amazing at Outback, you could always leave whatever you wanted.

lol not worh the points...I have a vacation to plan... and a life so I dont have the time to go back and forth with a COMPUTER SCREEN about class...

And thinking of it as such, is why it makes it so easy so name call... (i.e. Classy)

You have fun planning your trip. Dont forget to tip if youre on the DDP, it's no longer included.

 

[In a hurry]

That would make sense, except that the waitstaff shares their tips.

And your piddly $5 wouldn't go a long way to do that. I bet they run when they see you coming.

 

[HunnyPots]

Yes, I think people are stiffing their servers as a way to cut back. DD worked as a server in a local restaurant for the last year and at one time averaged about $11 per hour on tips. When she came back for spring break and worked the same shifts as before, she averaged about $4 per hour! People were still coming in the same as always but were tipping about half of what they had or else not tipping at all. Needless to say, she no longer works there! She now works at a fast food chain for $7 per hour, which is not great, but it's a lot easier work for close to what she made previously.

 

[kimluvswdw]

Just curious, since the low tipping seems to be across the board with the staff at your restaurant, it really can't be the quality of serving, so is there the possibility that it is something your restaurant is doing to tick the customers off?

Is the quality of food that is coming out of the kitchen not up to par with the quality of the restaurant and the price?

I know some people unreasonably take that kind of stuff out on the servers because it is the only place they can show their disappointment. While the server is not to blame for the quality of the food, many customers might not want to give extra money on poor quality food.

Since it seems to be the same in your restaurant with all the servers, I would start looking at what the restaurant is doing to cause the patrons to stiff all the servers on tips rather than what you (the servers) are doing. If it were just one or two servers that consistently received 10% tips, then you might question how they are being received by the customers. However, when it is quite a few servers being stiffed, one has to think that there is a problem somewhere else that is ticking customers off.

Perhaps you might need to find a restaurant whose quality deserves your skills.

As far as I know the restaurant is not doing anything wrong. I make it a point to ask everyone how the food is and I get the same response, delicious.

 

[Christopher Robin]

Recent post brought up a pet peeve, waitstaff pooling tips. So I get a great server, tip well, and the bad server gets a cut of that? Not cool. Or I get a bad server, and tip accordingly, as in $0.02, and the good server suffers as well? Not cool either.

How about I give a VOLUNTARY gratuity to the person who actually earns it. Cool?

 

[disneyfav4ever]

We rarely tip over $5 no matter what the meal cost!

Are you serious? I've left more then that for a $20 meal.

 

[kimluvswdw]

Oh it's worse than that. The IRS figures that servers make a certain amount in tips (I think they base it on their employer's sales, they've got some sort of formula anyway) so they get taxed on their estimated tip money, even if they don't earn it. They set this up because waiters (and other positions that made most of their income on tips) would under report their income, easy to do when most tips are in cash, and not pay taxes on their full income.

So when you stiff a waiter, not only do they not make as much, they have to pay taxes on income they never got!

How true, how true. On Saturday night I had to claim more than made. They base it on the sales not the tips you get.

 

[CathrynRose]

Im so gonna get flamed for this but I think it is really stupid to base a tip on what your meal actually cost. Me and dh go to Ruth Chris and have and lets say we are there 2 hrs and our meal costs $150. 20% of that meal is $30 so even if the server only makes $2 an hour she has just made $34 for our table alone. (she probably made more because she waited on more than one table those two hrs) Thats crazy to me! Even if she only waited on 2 tables for those 2 hrs she made about $64 in 2 hours My dh dosent make that with a college degree. Lets say we go to Olive Garden and receive the same level of service (for most part anyway) but our meal was only $40. 20% of $40 is only $8. So server 1 gets $30 and server 2 only $8 beacuse our food was less makes absolutely no sense to me! We rarely tip over $5 no matter what the meal cost! (unless we are at really upscale restuarant which is rare) We go into applebees and are there for one hour, no matter what we ordered if our waiter only waited on us (when does that ever happen) they have still made $7 or $8 dollars. Not hardly the crime everyone is claiming it to be!!!!!!

AHHHH!!!

Serving is physically and emotionally draining. Youre right - you can make a living doing it. I know thats how I supported my kids when I was divorced. However - I could only work nights. My kids were too young, werent in school - and my 'babysitter' was my mother, who worked during the day.

BUT - that $150 check - they have to tip out on. So, they have to pay the bussers, the runners and the bar to have you sit there.

And they have to claim taxes on that check as well.

Like I said - Ive of the mindset I fully expect to tip when I go to a full service restaurant. I know what the servers deal with (the side work, the cleaning, the folding, the drying of silverware) the customers, the physically demands of the job itself. My neck/shoulder alone, on my 'tray' side would be enough to convince you guys, unless the person is a complete jerk - they do deserve a tip.