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[d1gitman]

personally, i'd gladly cross any picket line. i am not union and am not a fan of unions. however, it is a free country (for now) and unions are allowed to exist. so it becomes a case of tolerance by both sides. however, the methodology of a union is to strongarm the other side into submission, thus the lack of tolerance.

with that being said, do picketters really think that is an effective mode of operation? most people who i know that are non-union minded all think the same thing when we see a person picketing "scab".

my non-union stance comes from the fact that i don't want or need an organization to be the reason why i get anything. i like standing on my own merit and EARNING it, not paying a membership fee to just get it.

IMHO, picketers using costumes of characters that cater to children is exactly the low life behavior that i admittedly stereotype union members. in a union world, the end justifies the means. principles, the real reason NOT to be in the union.

flame suit is on.

 

[Love Tink]

my non-union stance comes from the fact that i don't want or need an organization to be the reason why i get anything. i like standing on my own merit and EARNING it, not paying a membership fee to just get it.

The ignorance on display on this thread is absolutely astounding.

If you want to EARN something without the unions, why don't you look into whatever the conditions were in your business before unions, and ask your company if you can go back and start there.

Then you can EARN your way out of 16-hour work days, locked in cramped and unsafe rooms, without heating or air conditioning, for a miniscule wage and no overtime or benefits. You can get your kids to start working around age six or seven. Oh, and you can get beaten and harassed if you are late, or try to quit. If you get injured or killed on the job, you and your family will get nothing. You can get fired without warning at any time, with no severance, if your supervisor simply decides he doesn't like your face.

When there were no unions, there was basically no middle class. There was rich and there was everybody who worked for the rich. Now, thanks to all those who don't bother to learn anything about the past, we're quickly headed right back to that same state.

Thank God the brave souls who started the union movement in this country, and gave rise to the middle class, didn't listen to all the small-minded folks who told them, "If you don't like it, quit. Someone else will gladly take your place." Instead, they risked their jobs (and their lives) to try to make a change and to make things better not just for themselves, but for everyone who came after them.

A lot of people who have posted on here are just downright unAmerican.

 

[nytimez]

"Don't feel bad.

Some people are mean.

They look down on others whom they feel have a job that is a lower status than their job.

I do not think they are of the status that they think they are."

It was a well-written post and pretty clear the first time, I thought.

 

[sam_gordon]

The ignorance on display on this thread is absolutely astounding.

If you want to EARN something without the unions, why don't you look into whatever the conditions were in your business before unions, and ask your company if you can go back and start there.

Then you can EARN your way out of 16-hour work days, locked in cramped and unsafe rooms, without heating or air conditioning, for a miniscule wage and no overtime or benefits. You can get your kids to start working around age six or seven. Oh, and you can get beaten and harassed if you are late, or try to quit. If you get injured or killed on the job, you and your family will get nothing. You can get fired without warning at any time, with no severance, if your supervisor simply decides he doesn't like your face.

When there were no unions, there was basically no middle class. There was rich and there was everybody who worked for the rich. Now, thanks to all those who don't bother to learn anything about the past, we're quickly headed right back to that same state.

Thank God the brave souls who started the union movement in this country, and gave rise to the middle class, didn't listen to all the small-minded folks who told them, "If you don't like it, quit. Someone else will gladly take your place." Instead, they risked their jobs (and their lives) to try to make a change and to make things better not just for themselves, but for everyone who came after them.

A lot of people who have posted on here are just downright unAmerican.

You are correct in everything you say. We all have unions to thank for the 40 hour work week, overtime, child labor laws, etc. That does NOT mean that all unions continue to do good things, and it does not mean unions are still needed.

My shop does not have a union. My shop does not need a union. The pay is (generally) good. Benefits are pretty good. Management (at least most of them) is terrific.

I know of other union shops in my industry that pigeon hole people in their jobs. "Oh, you do job 'x', don't even think about doing some of job 'y'".

There is some good in unions, but there is also some bad. Just like there are some companies that treat their employees well (meaning they don't need a union) and there are others that don't treat their employees well.

I like how people are saying "just give the union workers an extra $2 an hour." I'd like to know how much more you're willing to pay for a Disney vacation? I know it's hard to understand, but market forces dictate how much a job pays (leaving minimum wage out of the equation for now). If Disney pays it's ice cream vendors $7/hour, but Universal pays it's vendors $9, where are the "good" vendors going to go?

And let's be honest, handing out ice cream to hundreds of people a day isn't exactly a "skilled" position. That does NOT mean the people filling those roles AREN'T skilled, just that the job doesn't require a lot of skill (as opposed to attraction safety inspection, tour guides, monorail drivers, bus dispatchers, mechanics, managers, etc). That also doesn't mean I'm looking "down" on those employees.

 

[Wadecool]

Listen. Don't let some anonymous person on the internet get to you. They forget they are talking to and about real people. There's a tendency for folks to think that they would have been invited to hang out with John Galt in the cave - they don't realize that they themselves are just more of the faceless proles who would have been left out in the cold. The vast majority of us are all in the working class. And everyone of us in the working class is supporting the two workless classes - the underclass of perpetual poverty and the upperclass of birthright landed gentry. We can tell ourselves "I'm white collar" "I'm middle class" "I'm professional" "I'm upper middle class" "I live in a gated community" "I drive a lexus" whatever. But the truth is we are all working class - labor, service, whatever, we are all working for someone. It's a small matter of degrees. They'll figure it out someday, or they won't. Doesn't really matter.

Thanks for doing the job you do. Enjoy the parts that you enjoy - right now is
a beautiful time of year in to be living in Florida.

Thank goodness we have you to let us all know where we really stand in the socioeconomic scheme of things.

 

[wtccheermom]

The ignorance on display on this thread is absolutely astounding.

If you want to EARN something without the unions, why don't you look into whatever the conditions were in your business before unions, and ask your company if you can go back and start there.

Then you can EARN your way out of 16-hour work days, locked in cramped and unsafe rooms, without heating or air conditioning, for a miniscule wage and no overtime or benefits. You can get your kids to start working around age six or seven. Oh, and you can get beaten and harassed if you are late, or try to quit. If you get injured or killed on the job, you and your family will get nothing. You can get fired without warning at any time, with no severance, if your supervisor simply decides he doesn't like your face.

When there were no unions, there was basically no middle class. There was rich and there was everybody who worked for the rich. Now, thanks to all those who don't bother to learn anything about the past, we're quickly headed right back to that same state.

Thank God the brave souls who started the union movement in this country, and gave rise to the middle class, didn't listen to all the small-minded folks who told them, "If you don't like it, quit. Someone else will gladly take your place." Instead, they risked their jobs (and their lives) to try to make a change and to make things better not just for themselves, but for everyone who came after them.

A lot of people who have posted on here are just downright unAmerican.

And what once started out as a positive and good organization has turned into the UAW, blow up rats outside of Wal-Mart, physical threats to companies who hire non union workers, and intimation and bullying for those who cross the picket line to stand up for what they believe in . The beauty of the union’s is only one opinion is valid and it is theirs!!!

 

[hookedonears]

The ignorance on display on this thread is absolutely astounding.

If you want to EARN something without the unions, why don't you look into whatever the conditions were in your business before unions, and ask your company if you can go back and start there.

Then you can EARN your way out of 16-hour work days, locked in cramped and unsafe rooms, without heating or air conditioning, for a miniscule wage and no overtime or benefits. You can get your kids to start working around age six or seven. Oh, and you can get beaten and harassed if you are late, or try to quit. If you get injured or killed on the job, you and your family will get nothing. You can get fired without warning at any time, with no severance, if your supervisor simply decides he doesn't like your face.

When there were no unions, there was basically no middle class. There was rich and there was everybody who worked for the rich. Now, thanks to all those who don't bother to learn anything about the past, we're quickly headed right back to that same state.

Thank God the brave souls who started the union movement in this country, and gave rise to the middle class, didn't listen to all the small-minded folks who told them, "If you don't like it, quit. Someone else will gladly take your place." Instead, they risked their jobs (and their lives) to try to make a change and to make things better not just for themselves, but for everyone who came after them.

A lot of people who have posted on here are just downright unAmerican.

Government now protects the things that unions were created for over 100 uears ago. With the high labor cost of Europe, the center of the manufacturing world moved to America. Along with ingenuity, technology and low labor cost, the US became the greatest economy the world has ever known. Now that Labor cost in the US has out paced the world, the manufacturing world has moved to Asia. The US is no longer a leader in education and technology, so its a country in economic decline with no end in site.

 

[TLinden16]

Since this had turned into a discussion about unions in general, I think it's time to close this thread now.