Changes at SW?

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I copied this from AOL . . . anyone fly out of San Antonio recently?

Only AOL members can pick up the link. http://information.travel.aol.com/a...70822142709990001?ncid=AOLCOMMtravDYNLsec0121

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Families with young children are usually invited to board their flights first, along with other special needs passengers.

But what if families with children weren't among the first to board? Might the process go more smoothly?

While it might sound counterintuitive, it's something Southwest Airlines has been experimenting with on flights from San Antonio.

"The major goal is to try to give a better customer experience for boarding," said Susie Boersma, manager for airport performance improvement.

The airline's effort to improve the boarding process comes at a time when the entire airline industry is struggling with increased delays, cancellations and passenger complaints about deterioriations in service. Several high-profile incidents in the past year have involved traveling families, most recently a woman who was escorted off a plane because her toddler kept saying "Bye-bye plane!"

Southwest, a Dallas-based discount carrier, is famous for its unassigned seating, which some have dubbed the "cattle call."

In each of the scenarios the airline has been trying, families were invited to board after the "A" group. Passengers in the "A" group are typically those who arrive early or who checked in online beforehand.

In one scenario, a few rows of seats were set aside on the plane for flight attendants to use if a family couldn't find seats together. In the other scenario, no seats were reserved.

In either case, families who had already obtained an "A" pass could sidestep the experiment of boarding later and board with the "A" group if they wanted to.

But some traveling families said they'd be happy to give up the privilege of boarding first, if it made the process easier.

"I'd be willing to go after the 'A' group," said Christine Smith, 34, who traveled on a test flight from San Antonio to Dallas last week with her 6-year-old son, Tanner.

Aimee Flanagan, 34, who was on Smith's flight with her husband and three children, said she wouldn't mind boarding after the "A" group, because it might reduce the pressure to get settled while a long and impatient line of people wait behind her.

When families board first, "there's no time to get situated. You have to be in the aisles," she said. "And the kids are over here and you still haven't figured out where to sit."

The day after her test flight, Flanagan said that boarding after the "A" group worked out just fine. Fewer seats were available, but her family was still able to sit together. She still felt the pressure to get seated quickly, though, as others boarded after her.

Southwest officials stress that they are not trying to separate business travelers from families. But some passengers say that's exactly what they'd like to see.

"If you have X amount of families, however many people who are in families, have X seats sectioned off," said Flanagan. She said doing that would keep everyone happy, including all the annoyed travelers she's seen giving families dirty looks.

It's also possible that Southwest may not change anything and continue to pre-board as usual, the company said.

Dallas-area architects Dan Henke and Fred Cawyer, who travel Southwest once or twice a month, are happy to have family pre-boarding continue as usual, even if that means a longer wait and fewer available seats. "I think I like letting them board first," Henke said. "Then I don't have to sit next to them."

They'd also support separate sections for business and family passengers.

"These flights are so short, I can tolerate it," Cawyer said of sitting next to a crying child for the less-than-one-hour hop from San Antonio to Dallas. "If it's going to Pittsburgh, shoot me."

In addition to the "Bye-bye plane!" case, other incidents involving families in the past year include a family taken off a flight when their child threw a tantrum and refused to wear a seat belt, and protests held nationwide in support of a nursing mother who was ordered off a plane because she wouldn't cover up.
 
Thats very interesting.

I always thought they should make or let the preboarders sit in the back of the plane . This gives them plenty of time to settle in before others get to that area.

This way if they want they can always get the As and decide to sit where they want. This also puts them closest to the main bathroom.

Or like they said just leave a few of the front rows reserved for however many have the blue cards ,let everyone board then let them come in. Letting them do it after the As makes no real sence except thinking the A group are most likely repeat customers knowing their system and they are trying to make it better for them.
 
It will be interesting to see how all that shakes out. I'm amused by the woman who said she wouldn't mind boarding after the 'A' group because it would prevent all those dirty looks from the folks behind her while she got situated. She could just head to the rear of the plane, alleviating that issue. But those preboarders all head right to the first row they come to. If they had to head back, then the 'A' group wouldn't be stuck behind them as the kids are getting seated or stuff is being stowed overhead. It's got nothing to do with families being treated as second class citizens (as I've seen stated in the past)..it's just more logical. When I fly JB, I get my seat assignment. If I can, I get seats as far forward as possible. This means less actual time on the plane for me. Those in the front of the plane are boarded last. Why? So they don't block the aisle for other passengers!!! Makes sense. I may have to wait a bit to board, but I like being able to get off and stretch my legs as soon as humanly possible.
 
I don't know how I feel, and I have a 3 year old. I'm anal and always make sure I have an A boarding pass anyway, since you never know what could happen with pre-boarding.

We always sit in the middle of the plane. We've tried the back, but it's louder and tends to bother my daughter's ears more (mine, too!). I'm not the type that takes time to get situated. We don't travel with her car seat (don't worry, this year we're going to use a CARES harness), so basically I just have to put her in the row of seats and put my suitcase up. The only part that's a little more difficult is having to stop and put my stroller at the end of the jetway, but I'm sure I'll figure that out (we always end up needing it in the airport, so that's why I don't check it).

IMO, I think that this whole "A group boarding first" thing won't pan out, but that's just me. I fly often without my daughter in the "A" group, and it doesn't bother me in the least about pre-boarders and never has. Someone will cause a big stink if they make pre-boarders sit in the back of the plane, and if those people choose to have an "A" pass instead and sit elsewhere, it's not going to speed up the boarding process, or at least I don't think it will.
 

I don't mind pre-boarders, but I do think it is inconsiderate for those that were able to board first, to also insist on being the first off. The last time we flew from Orlando a man was with two middle-aged women who were in wheelchairs. One of the women got out and walked to the restroom in the airport and then came back and sat in the wheelchair in the pre-board area. When we arrived there was only one wheelchair at the gate (which was for a very elderly woman). The three were sitting in the first row. The man leapt out of his seat the second the seatbelt sign turned off and started getting his bags out of the overhead. The attendant, very politely, told him he would have to wait for additional wheelchairs (I guess they had not made arrangements?). This man then blocked the aisle for the rest of us. I guess he decided since he and his companions could not get off the plane, no one else would, either. My DH and I were sitting a couple of rows behind him; we had been up since 4 am and we were ready to get off that plane (as was everyone else). While he was gritching to the attendant about "deserving" to have the wheelchairs waiting, someone just moved his bags and we started to slip past him (much to his chagrin). That sort of entitlement attitude really upsets me.

Sharon
 
DisneymomOK- I completely understand this, and also wanted to add that when I fly with my child, we always wait to get off of the plane last. I don't understand parents that don't. It's easier that way! LOL
 
DisneymomOK- I completely understand this, and also wanted to add that when I fly with my child, we always wait to get off of the plane last. I don't understand parents that don't. It's easier that way! LOL

If all parents flew the way you do, it wouldn't be an issue. But until you've stood in the A line, being the 7th and 8th in line, and had to head to behind the wing of the plane in order to get a window and a middle seat together, well...it just irks me. There had to be 40 people in the preboard line at TF Green. Parents, with all the kids, the aunts, the uncles, grannie..you get the idea. Then, when they boarded, they took the window and aisle seats, putting a piece of clothing or bag on that middle seat...hoping the plane would be empty enough for them to keep that seat open!! Should have seen those groups scrambling to keep their family together when the FA announced the flight was completely full, so all seats had to be used!!! No one wanted a stranger sitting in between them and their child!!!

I have had to wait in the aisle as parents have had to get up, get something out of the overhead for their child, rummage around in the bag. Please, get to the seats, sit down. I can't figure out why you can't have anything you'll be needing for the kids in a totebag that goes underneath the seat all ready to go before you even board. But, human nature being what it is, people are never going to be 'aware' of what they are doing.

I still maintain that SW could implement a policy that those preboarding with young kids have to head to the rear of the plane. Obviously, those with any kind of 'challenge' would still be able to be in front, as well as those unaccompanied minors. It would just be the price they have to pay for getting those great fares. You want to pay $99 pp one way and preboard with your young kids? Fine, but you have to head back. I think you would be surprised at how many started just getting A passes rather than preboarding.

Since I don't think it's every going to really change, I continue to fly JetBlue. I get decent fares, and a seat of my choice. If it's me flying alone, then perhaps I'll fly SW, but only if I get a really, really good fare.
 


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