Celbration, FL

Originally posted by FLeisure
Why the hang up with good public schools ?

There are some excellent private schools and if you are thinking of living in Celebration you can surely afford it. The best public schools are in the Dr. Phillips/Windermere area which encompasses Bay Hill, Phillips Landing, Isleworth and some of the most affluent areas of Orlando.

I should probably explain...I DO have a huge hangup with excellent public schools. I'm a product of private schools all the way (independant schools), and it was a very bad experience for me. Here in MA, teachers don't have to be certified to teach in private schools. I had an awful lot of horrid "teachers" at my private school :( I've always wanted to find a great public school system for my future children because of this :) We can't afford that here in MA, though. Heck, we're lucky to afford a house in a not-great town here:rolleyes:

PatriciaH, you and your DH sound just like me and my DH! Unlike many of our friends, we figured out that we can't afford a bigger house here in MA AND afford to have children. It would be one or the other. That's why we decided to move, and FL looks like a great place to move to :)
 
What do you all think about the "climate" in FLorida -- and I don't mean the weather. Criticisms I have heard are that the population is very transient and it's hard to put down roots. Another one (from a local woman who lived in Orlando for years) said the atmosphere is very "urban" and there is such a drug culture that the drugs were in the elementary schools. I know I sound neurotic -- why shouldn't I? I am! But we live in dorky southern Indiana now, and my kids were born here. It's still a nice, safe place to live. If your car breaks down, people will pull over to help you, not rob you! I guess I have this fear that Orlando is some big, crazy city. How is it as a place to raise a family? And if you can't afford to move to one of the few neighborhoods mentioned above, how are the public schools? I did notice that a lot of the houses at Celebration had signs on the lawns announcing they were protected by some home security company.

Please convince me to relocate! :)
 
Isn't it sad all the normal people here in MA and NH and NY that can't afford a decent house in an ok town! All the young people will be moving out as well as the older people to warmer climates. I guess we better all get a house in FL before they go sky high too:)
 
chrissyk,

A few years ago, you didn't have to be certified to teach in FL, either. I remember they were advertising for teachers and all you had to have was a college degree in any subject and you were pretty much guaranteed a job. This could have changed because this was at least 4 yrs ago.





There are a lot of other communities that you can live in for a fraction of what it costs to live in Celebration.

We have started looking into Clermont. There are literally thousands of choices in Florida.

We are also concerned about the schools. For some reason the schools in Florida don't have good reputations. We have done a lot of research on the internet and if we ever move down there we will have to find a GREAT public school or look into a private school.

It does make us cry when we look at what we paid for our house here in Michigan. We lived in a bigger house in Florida and it cost much less.
 

Can you tell us the names of some nearby towns that are nice? It's fun to look on Century 21's website at available houses but I don't know the neighborhoods.

Also, if you can describe cost of living? DH saw a job listed in the $60,000 range. That is enough to live here in Indiana but obviously not enough for Connecticut or Mass or NYC. Is that a decent wage in Florida? Sorry I know these are "relative" questions but I am clueless!
 
I do worry a bit about drugs and crime since Orlando is a bigger city than the town we are in now. I think Clermont and Celebration and places like that are a bit more small town than the actual city though. I mean Poinciana was in the middle of cow pastures-haha. I think Central Florida is still a new, up and coming area so time will tell. The towns here North of Boston were settled in the 1500 and 1600's:) I am from NY though so I am not very scared of crime in Central Florida.
 
We happen to think Clermont is a nice town. It seems to have a small town atmosphere but is very close to a lot of exciting things. We have talked to many people at Disney and other places who live in Clermont. It seems to be a growing town. My DH would love to live there. We have checked into it so he could be close to the Triathlon Training Center affiliated with South Lake Hospital.

His company has offices in Leesburg and that seemed rather nice.

When we lived in Holiday, FL there were some really nice areas and some really not so nice areas and we seem to see that all over Florida. You go from really run down places and the next second you are in a very nice area with all brand new houses.

I linked onto a website for the Clermont schools through another poster on these boards. The school looked great but it had over 1,000 students and something like 10 kindergarten teachers.

We have also checked the schools in St. Augustine and they seem similar to the schools up here.

The high school in the Sebastian area seemed nice but also very large. Maybe some of the schools in Florida have bigger areas from which they draw students.

We found the cost of living in Florida to be easier than Michigan. It all depends on where you live. Houses in a majority of the area in Florida just cost less than here in our town. Many other life necessities were a little less but not much. You obviously don't have to buy winter clothes :D Utilities were actually a little more expensive in Florida because everything is electric vs. gas up here. I remember getting our first bill from Florida Power and Light and my jaw dropped to the floor.

My DH has found that the pay scale seems to be less enthusiastic in Florida than it is here for positions similar to his.

We enjoyed our life in Florida. It was just more relaxing. We could go to the beach whenever we wanted. It seemd like a simpler way of life. Heck, I even miss the grocery stores down there. We shopped at the greatest Publix. All of the people knew our names. I hope someday we can move back. Obviously, I need to if I miss the grocery store. :rolleyes:
 
I can hardly believe what I'm reading here :)

Drugs and crime.....tell me what part of the world doesn't have some kind of a problem with this ? We moved to Florida from UK to get away from the depressing people, the high crime rate, a complete ratrace that is running a business and trying to get the balance right between work and play.

Frankly, I wish we had done it years before. In Florida we actually spend time with our kids, find that business is full of opportunity and people who like to see success and have a quality of life we only dreamed of before.

Everywhere has good and bad but this part of Florida (Kissimmee) is unique. Crime is virtually none existant simply because the Police make a great job of keeping it down..."can't scare the tourists away, can we?" ;) and the drug scene is only there if you go looking for it.

Public schools are generally very poor but private schools are wonderful. The teachers at our kids school are some of the most caring human beings I've ever met and although they may not be the most qualified in the world, they possess something that can't be taught....common sense. In short, they offer a perspective of the real world to kids and they teach them right from wrong. The private school system has many other schools just like this and the trick is getting out and finding them.
 
Originally posted by floridafam
chrissyk,

A few years ago, you didn't have to be certified to teach in FL, either. I remember they were advertising for teachers and all you had to have was a college degree in any subject and you were pretty much guaranteed a job. This could have changed because this was at least 4 yrs ago.

We have this in the public schools in MA too. It's called the MINT program here, and it's actually an accelerated certification program. It's the private schools that don't require any certification at all here (or at least they didn't when my sister and I were in school). I am not all that sure that some of my teachers had college degrees, nevermind certifications! Some of my teachers were HORRIBLE. One of them is in prison for a loooong time now:eek: We had some real winners teaching at my school :rolleyes: Coming from this private school experience has made me determined to find a good public school system for my future kids:D
 
We too are from the far northeast and are ready to leave too. Yes, 4 months of life here per year is not enough. We too have been researching all that the rest of you have; Celebration, Kissimmee, Clermont, crime,housing prices, quality of life, weather, snakes and bugs, mold and housing rot, and the list goes on.......
Housing here is certainly not what Ma and Ny are, but it too has gone up to almost double in the last 5 years. Since I will say real estate is cheap by comparison to the rest of you, we can still buy a better house in a lot of areas in Fl. for less than ours cost. The big thing for us is our house is on 1+1/4 acres in a nice development. That will be hard to match as it appears most lots, esp. in developments are 1/4 acre +-. Also, we have found that unless you have a marketable profession, wages are very low in Fl. Dh has been in the same job for 28 years and I decided to "find myself" last year so after 22 years I am back on the bottom of the ladder in a new job. We are afraid, both of us don't need to be starting over.:rolleyes:
We do not have children so schools are not our priority but since most of you do/will I will share a story. A friend of mine who has lived in Fla. since we graduated from high school just recently landed a teaching job in the greater Orlando area. She does have a 4 year degree in something(not teaching), was a SAHM for all these years, and yes, because of the shortage, she passed a test and is now teaching. She is very smart, loves kids and I'm sure can handle herself well. My Sister in Michigan also entertained the idea as they have a shortage too and were hiring just about anyone willing. This is a nationwide problem not just Fl. IMHO, I have worked with people with degrees and people w/o degrees and education of one is not indicative of anything, hence the term educated idiots. There are lots of very smart self taught people in this world who have not been afforded educational opportunities for one reason or another. Most of the colleges with night classes are all taught by people in the work force who know something about what they are teaching who are not teachers with teaching degrees.

We had found the celebration chat web site and after reading for a while became less and less interested in this community. We have toured twice and spent a lot of time riding around at different times of the day even, to get a real feel for it. Colleen, you are so right, it does not look lived in. It does however look very Disney like, picture perfect We saw VERY few children and pets. We have a dog and a cat(our kids) and we would have to move in no time, we would never ALLOW someone to take them away from us and they would be in so much trouble, they are used to being free. Thanks for the tip on this, that alone sealed our fate. And talk about cabin fever in the north, those lots are laughable. Who could live in that? Then, we read a thread about the David Weekley homes and all the rot around the windows and other problems people are having with their new homes(some maybe 2 years old). UNBELIEVABLE! And until they banded together were getting poor service at best. This has got us thinking about homes down south in general. Wood down south is a HUGH problem we northerners don't think about. The wood rot, the mold, then there's termites, scorpions, snakes, and other critters. All things we know nothing about.
We too are afraid that there will be a bandwagon we will miss and by the time we get there housing will be outrageous and then we won't be able to go. But it's a big move and we want to be sure of the right decision.

As others have asked, where are the best areas to live? Are the communities like Celebration some of which are gated, as nice yet have fewer resrtictions with the same sense of unity in values? And the construction of homes? How do you avoid getting a "lemon"? I know there are building inspectors who have to certify for occupancy but they don't see every detail, they see a finished product. We have found other sites that talk about this whole subject on housing and have learned that there is such a shortage of qualified builders that the companies are hiring very unskilled labor and the foreman cannot keep his eye on all the help, hence bad workmanship.
Another thing we hear a lot is the traffic. Even in rural areas? Any opinions? We have heard of lots of morning traffic jams.

FLeisure-what part of Kissimmee are you in? We have also been reading about newer communites just off I-92 like on Pleasant Hill Rd. where there are homes of Celebration size and features w/o the price. You say you have a large home that cost so much less by comparison to Celebration. Are you in a gated community and can you share your experiences so far, based on some of my concerns? TIA!
 
msdis,
Where do I start ? Reading your post I rather feel I'm fighting an uphill battle.

I live on Cumbrian Lakes, a community off Poinciana Blvd about 4 miles from US 192 heading south. The community is being built by Beazer Homes and I have to say, they are typical of most builders in Florida. They do build a decent home but nothing compared to the type of home I used to live in in the UK. The thing to remember is that housing in Florida doesn't need to be built to cope with cold weather as the homes in the North do and that is part of the reason housing is cheaper here.

My personal experience over the last 7 years is that there is good and bad. Builders like Greater Homes and Beazer are amongst the best builders in Florida simply because they have an after sales service designed to look after the homeowner properly. I understand your fears about the quality of buildng but I can assure you that if you buy within City limits, the building inspector will be inspecting the last screw ! He's tough ! Outside of City limits things are a bit slacker IMO but the building inspectors are good at their job and won't let anything pass that isn't to Florida State Code.

If you are looking for land then it's going to be a struggle. Most properties on acerage are definately going to be old and built of wood rather than the concrete blocks that today's newer homes are built from. The main thing to ensure when you are buying is that you get a proper building inspection before you close on the house.

Going back to Celebration for a moment, yes I understand your fears. It is too false for my liking but I know several people who are very glad they moved there....and they cover the whole scope of less exepnsive homes to the really expensive !

As regards David Weekly homes, this is a problem that has grown out of hand and is not typical of homes in Florida by any means. It's very easy to take an example like this and brand all homes the same but it just isn't the case.

Pets....do you seriously believe they can take your pets away ? It's nonsense. Like most home developments here, we have a homeowners association to look after the interests of all homeowners and the community. Yes, they do have rules and regulations and sometimes they have to enforce them. For example, a dog isn't on a lead or is messing up the sidewalk ....what would you want done ? Usually a letter is sent to the homeowner to ask them to resolve the issue. The only way a HOA could take a pet is if they appear to be abandoned.

As far as work and jobs are concerned, this area needs good, honest, decent and hardworking people in all industries. Finding work isn't going to be a problem providing you have half a brain an deven those without a brain find work somehow....you usually see them at McDonalds or CE's at companies like Disney! ;)

Dealing with traffic.....frankly this is not an issue. Yes, Orlando and I4 can be very busy at peak times but getting around in Florida is usually hassle free and an extremely pleasant experience...well, at least it is for me having lived in the UK for 30 odd years before coming here.

There are some good communities around but you really have to decide where you want to be. Pleasant Hill Road is OK and there are many other areas that are suitable for most people. If you have illusions of buying a ranch type place with 20 acres then it's going to be more difficult and you are not going to be close to the attractions. Gated communities, Cumbrian Lakes is one, are better IMO simply because they give you a feel of security and usually offer residents something a bit diferent in the features the community has. Maybe it's a false one but my belief is that if you mix with the wrong people and in the wrong places then trouble will come your way. That's exactly the same all over the World.

I understand the fear of the unknown but sometimes you can be guilty of doing nothing. I understand that moving to Florida lock, stock and barrel is a big move so why not rent somewhere for 3-6 months so that you can make your minds up ?

In all of this, you have to keep an open mind. Until you have moved here and lived the life it's difficult to really know how things are. Some people fall in love with the lifestyle and stay whilst others go back to what they know and prefer. That's life but until you try it, you'll never know. For me and my family however, it's the best thing we have ever done. :)
 
I have no feelings about moving to Florida or not.

However, I had a phone interview with Disney several years ago and they pointed me to this website
http://www.homefair.com/homefair/calc/salcalc.html

It is useful for comparing your salary and lifestyle now to those in other places.

My best friend lives in Newton, MA and she is forever sending me jobs up there. They pay A LOT better then my current job, but would have to pay even more for me to maintain my lifestyle (New 2,000 square foot home, less than 30 minutes from downtown. I don't even want to think about the cost of that in Boston!)

As for mold and rot in Florida, well you do get to leave behind Ice Dams (something I had never heard of) and heating oil ground contanimation. It's always a trade off. Perfection has not been found on earth yet.
 
Just for fun I put Newton and Kissimmee in the calculator mentioned above assuiming I owned a home.

If you make $100,000 in Kissimmee, you would need to make $231,709 in Newton! WOW!
 
Originally posted by msdis
And talk about cabin fever in the north, those lots are laughable. Who could live in that?

I'm from MA and I live like that:rolleyes: Our house is situated on less than 1/4 acre here. In this neighborhood, 2 identical houses to my house on much worse lots than ours both just sold for $389,900 in the past 2 months (one just a couple of weeks ago). Clearly, a lot of people don't mind living like this, LOL! Don't get me wrong...it did take some getting used to living on top of our neighbors like this. We got used to it, though, and now we think nothing of it. Maybe that's why the lots in Celebration didn't phase us like the school system did. Also, I don't know a closer-knit neighborhood than mine:D We are lucky in that everyone (mostly) gets along. We know our neighbors well, and that's something that not a lot of people can say! There are advantages to having small lots IMHO:D
 
FLeisure, thanks for your informative post. I personally think the "good" in Florida life FAR outweighs the bad... now I just have to convince DH! :) By the way, it was ME who mentioned "pets being carted off." Didn't mean to offend... this was just a bit I remembered reading in one of the essays about life in Celebration. I don't even HAVE a dog!

Thanks again.
 
Originally posted by CarolA
My best friend lives in Newton, MA and she is forever sending me jobs up there. They pay A LOT better then my current job, but would have to pay even more for me to maintain my lifestyle (New 2,000 square foot home, less than 30 minutes from downtown. I don't even want to think about the cost of that in Boston!)

We live around 30 minutes (or a little less w/o traffic) from Newton. We're on the same major commuter route as Newton (Route 9). Anyways, a 2000 sq. foot house in our neighborhood costs in the vicinity of $430K-450K. Our house is smaller (1600 sq. feet) and goes for $389K. This town is nowhere near as nice or fancy as Newton, and our school system rots. You don't even want to know what houses in Newton cost!! Yes, the pay is higher up here, but it is NOT commensurate with the cost of living IMHO.
 
So tell me about Nashville! I am trying to move closer to Mickey but still be in "the seasons (for dh)." When we drive, through, Tennessee is SO pretty and I know your winters are usually mild. Do you like it there? Lots of folks from Indiana retire to Tennessee... What are housing and schools like by you?

Thanks... and also... thanks for the Florida driving info last month. We went via Atlanta (isn't it you who has a sweetie there?) and it was fine. :)
 
As far as house values go

We live in a 1200 sq. ft house in East Lansing-not too big.

We bought for the schools here. They have a great reputation, so good in fact that the school board just bought a $30,000 conference table to use at their meetings-yes, I'm being sarcastic.

Anyway, our house does not have a garage.

We lived in a bigger house in Florida that had a screened porch and a garage-otherwise, they are very similar in size.

We paid over $100,000 and we will either have to add on or move in a few years.

Our landlady in Florida-the town of Holiday-offered to sell us the house we rented from her for $35,000 and we said no:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: I literally could cry every time I think about it. The schools in the area were awful but we could have easily done private school or driven somewhere else.

It's kind of funny reading about the mold issues. I didn't think anyone else had those besides me. We do worry about it-we had to have our house tested last year for mold after our kids were sick constantly and the doctor told us the problem is actuall more commom in newer homes than in old ones.
 
Colleen,
Yep that is me with the boyfriend in Atlanta.

If you are looking for good schools in Tennessee I can recommend two communities. Until 120 days ago I lived in Franklin, TN. Wonderful old historic downtown and very good school system. My zoned elementary was suppose to be top 100 elementary in the nation. Lots of families live there for the schools and it is an easy commute to downtown Nashville if you wind up working there.

The schools in Oak Ridge, TN used to be wonderful, but it has been a long time since I heard much from the school systems in East Tenneessee.

This winter was bad for us, but not near as bad as elsewhere. We had about 20" of snow all winter (Now most of that came in one snowstorm and we shut down!) People from up north think we are nuts here. Most winters are fairly mild. The quality of life in Nashville is one reason the boyfriend and I live in different towns. He has never found a good job here in his field and I don't want to deal with Atlanta on a daily basis.
 
CarolA, that "qulaity of life" is hard to define but it does matter! When we drive around Atlanta I am glad I don't live with all that chaos daily. Where we live in Indiana it's safe and affordable. DH has a good job at Indiana U with lots of days off. For now I guess we'll just keep "commuting" to Florida. No matter where you live, what matters is "fit" and we do like it here. It's a nice, slow pace we appreciate after both growing up in NJ. When we visit family there I realize I couldn't live in NJ anymore -- I have somehow become a Midwesterner! I am not used to that much traffic...

Weather is only one "part" of Florida, but it is a biggie. I HATE winter and truly don't think I'd miss it. But Florida has problems of its own, and good schools matter a lot to dh and I. I keep dreaming about when I "retire" in Florida, after the public schools don't matter so much to me.
 














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