CDC Reiterates that its "Conditional Sailing Order" remains in effect until November 1

[AmishGuy91]

Arguably, that the cruise lines haven't done anything in the RTS guidance in the Conditional Sail Order makes it a fairly low priority to bother, though.

So I guess all the cruise lines just don't want to sail and aren't willing to make accommodations as required (even though we know Disney certainly has for their parks), and CDC is a well-operating government machine? Uh huh

 

[ITGirl50]

Arguably, that the cruise lines haven't done anything in the RTS guidance in the Conditional Sail Order makes it a fairly low priority to bother, though.

Yes and it’s my understanding that the cruise lines are not registered in the US to avoid US taxes and labor laws...so it’s probably not a top priority for the federal government.

 

[brentm77]

Yes and it’s my understanding that the cruise lines are not registered in the US to avoid US taxes and labor laws...so it’s probably not a top priority for the federal government.

That issue aside, thousands of U.S. workers are tied to the cruise industry. Billions of dollars are being lost to the Florida economy, and other state economies. I hope they aren't as dismissive to the real harm this is causing to U.S. citizens as that. It's one thing to say the risk outweighs the harm of keeping them closed, its another to say, "let them eat cake!"

 

[_auroraborealis_]

So I guess all the cruise lines just don't want to sail and aren't willing to make accommodations as required (even though we know Disney certainly has for their parks), and CDC is a well-operating government machine? Uh huh

Both can be true: This can be a low priority for the CDC, and the lines aren't making accommodations.

 

[ITGirl50]

That issue aside, thousands of U.S. workers are tied to the cruise industry. Billions of dollars are being lost to the Florida economy, and other state economies. I hope they aren't as dismissive to the real harm this is causing to U.S. citizens as that. It's one thing to say the risk outweighs the harm of keeping them closed, its another to say, "let them eat cake!"

My statement was not ME being flippant about the hurt it has caused, my first comment above stated how it’s important for the CDC to care because it is affecting people’s livelihoods. It was about the US government not being motivated to work on the problem.

 

[BadPinkTink]

Honestly, I don't think the cruise lines are interested in working with the American CDC and have just given up. Cruising is resuming around the world, first in Singapore, and now Europe and The Bahamas. The cruise lines are just taking their business to places which is more accommodating. Their priority is getting their crew back to work and generating revenue, it does not matter to them WHERE they start re sailing from, as long as they CAN restart.

 

[SailorsWhyf]

When the CDC can't or won't answer a single question directly. As much as I miss cruising, it is nothing compared to what the employees of the cruise industry are going through right now.

 

[braysmommy]

Honestly, I don't think the cruise lines are interested in working with the American CDC and have just given up. Cruising is resuming around the world, first in Singapore, and now Europe and The Bahamas. The cruise lines are just taking their business to places which is more accommodating. Their priority is getting their crew back to work and generating revenue, it does not matter to them WHERE they start re sailing from, as long as they CAN restart.

Think if the US had same infection rates as Singapore the US would be cruising as well.

 

[brentm77]

Think if the US had same infection rates as Singapore the US would be cruising as well.

But you cherrypicked one country. What about the cruises going out of Europe?

 

[AquaDame]

We're NOT doing this. Warnings have been issued. We are NOT going to debate whether the virus is a real threat here. This is a Disney Cruising forum - take that conversation elsewhere.

If a link will not get past our filters, then it is not welcome here. Attempting to subvert this will also result in points.

 

[brewcrew]

Carnival just posted a video today about the CDC sail order (its on youtube). They are "politely" making the case to sail this summer from the US. Also saying the sail order is out of date (created before vaccines were out).

 

[PrincessShmoo]

Carnival just posted a video today about the CDC sail order (its on youtube). They are "politely" making the case to sail this summer from the US. Also saying the sail order is out of date (created before vaccines were out).

I would imagine the CDC isn't particularly looking at whether there are vaccines or not. More likely just looking at the numbers to make their decision.

 

[Freeman867]

The articles I read seemed quite clear the order is still in effect until November 1, which means it wasn't extended or anything. The articles also stated that the order is under review, not locked in stone. This is far from a death sentence for cruises until November 1 like I feel you're all making it out to be.

 

[Breezer4]

I have a June cruise booked and wish they would just cancel. I believe I read on a post on a different thread they usually do it at the end of a month and thought March would be it.

We have a June cruise booked we booked on opening day last year and are stuck in a holding pattern until the cruise is canceled. My husband and I have our second dose scheduled, but our kids will not be vaccinated. I wanted to go, but I also don’t want to be on one of the first sailings!

 

[we"reofftoneverland]

Carnival just posted a video today about the CDC sail order (its on youtube). They are "politely" making the case to sail this summer from the US. Also saying the sail order is out of date (created before vaccines were out).

Duffy is awesome. I love how she is basically publicly calling out the CDC for their behavior.

 

[Intr3pid]

Carnival just posted a video today about the CDC sail order (its on youtube). They are "politely" making the case to sail this summer from the US. Also saying the sail order is out of date (created before vaccines were out).

Carnival's Princess and HAL brands were single-handedly responsible for the 'petridish' label the cruise ship industry so fondly received last year. (We owe them for that spectacle.) Quite expectedly, RCL and NCL never felt comfortable working with them in their health panel.

The video is a showcase of how lazy some incumbents in the industry have become. In five months, we could have run some test cruises and maybe, just maybe, by now we would have an actual restart in sight. But, no, it looks like we haven't rubbed the CDC the wrong way enough - so let's do a YouTube video calling out the order.

 

[BartmanLA]

Has the possibility been considered that while the CDC is reluctant to give any firm timeline for resumption of cruises out of the U.S., another consideration might be that they are working hard on the vaccination programs and also there are other agencies that have to sign off on any of the CSO implementation. Lastly this is the Federal Gov't, they change their minds and policies all the time, the Nov 1 date is a "target" but not the end all be all of the cruise resumption! The CDC and other Federal agencies could very well amend or rescind the order at any time. I'm patient enough to wait them out, as my next cruise isn't until March of 2022. I feel fairly confident that cruising well have restarted by then.

 

[Jim Libasci]

That issue aside, thousands of U.S. workers are tied to the cruise industry. Billions of dollars are being lost to the Florida economy, and other state economies. I hope they aren't as dismissive to the real harm this is causing to U.S. citizens as that. It's one thing to say the risk outweighs the harm of keeping them closed, its another to say, "let them eat cake!"

you know the real harm is being done to 1000's of people's families every day as Covid-19 is a killer disease? That's why we can't get on a ship for our vacation. We know that it will take at least 6 months for enough vaccines to be distributed to make a difference. This isn't about families making an earning, it's about families living?

 

[brentm77]

you know the real harm is being done to 1000's of people's families every day as Covid-19 is a killer disease? That's why we can't get on a ship for our vacation. We know that it will take at least 6 months for enough vaccines to be distributed to make a difference. This isn't about families making an earning, it's about families living?

I don't think you read my comment very carefully. I didn't address whether it was a good idea to be sailing, I addressed a comment regarding the CDC not caring since cruise lines were registered in other countries and my hope that the CDC's decision was a little less dismissive than the other poster suggested.

Frankly, I don't want to have the debate about whether it's a good idea to sail anymore. There are costs and benefits to every decision, including real and long-lasting harm of keeping people out of work for more than a year.

With respect to the discussion, there often seems to be two extremes on both sides, people who throw out death counts as their only argument versus conspiracy theories. There is room for nuanced debate in the middle, but it rarely happens. Most people have made up their minds already.

As for the CDC, if they are truly making it impossible for test sailings to happen (as Royal Caribbean says) then they are simply increasing risk to Americans by pushing them to sail from foreign ports instead of US ports. Several cruise lines have made it clear they are sailing either way.

 

[DIS_MIKE]

This is just a devastating blow to the industry. I thought there was a small chance my cruise in Sept would go but not after this latest news. I think we'll just do a WDW trip at this point and leave it at that and push everything to '22.