CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[KBoopaloo]

It may be a situation where they give the J&J vaccine to younger people who are less at risk for severe disease. I think the 85% effectiveness against severe disease is good because that is what is causing all of the lockdowns and restrictions are hospitals getting overwhelmed. Again this is all my understanding.

I saw one suggestion the distributing J&J via college and university health centers might be a good plan. It doesn’t require special storage so the facilities could handle it and on campus, one time distribution would be a nice, easy option for college students and would not require making a follow up appointment. I am hesitant to add more guidelines about who gets what vaccine for fear it will slow everything down but it seems like prioritizing the higher efficacy vaccines for the most vulnerable and allotting vaccines with the least complicated distribution to a younger population would make a lot of sense.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I saw one suggestion the distributing J&J via college and university health centers might be a good plan. It doesn’t require special storage so the facilities could handle it and on campus, one time distribution would be a nice, easy option for college students and would not require making a follow up appointment. I am hesitant to add more guidelines about who gets what vaccine for fear it will slow everything down but it seems like prioritizing the higher efficacy vaccines for the most vulnerable and allotting vaccines with the least complicated distribution to a younger population would make a lot of sense.

This makes total sense. And they are likely a less motivated population to get the vaccine to begin with.....so just one jab would make sense. Hand out coupons for free beer....whatever it takes. .

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I saw one suggestion the distributing J&J via college and university health centers might be a good plan. It doesn’t require special storage so the facilities could handle it and on campus, one time distribution would be a nice, easy option for college students and would not require making a follow up appointment. I am hesitant to add more guidelines about who gets what vaccine for fear it will slow everything down but it seems like prioritizing the higher efficacy vaccines for the most vulnerable and allotting vaccines with the least complicated distribution to a younger population would make a lot of sense.

The only downside I see (and this also in response to the other poster who brought it up) is the younger people are usually the ones most often active in the community, usually they are the ones holding down the service related jobs (food especially and retail) so def. higher efficacy on the one hand to those most vulnerable is a consideration on the other hand they are usually the ones with the most exposure on average. When age becomes the definition we miss the occupation part of the equation.

I thought it might be interesting if other places are tallying up ages for those vaccinating.


Here's the age distribution for my state so far:



*Keep in mind again the priority level of who was vaccinated 1st. It's based on occupation, exposure, and vulnerability. Vulnerability is usually LTC and just this week elderly outside of LTC.

I'm not sharing this information so people can bash the age distribution. There was a rather nasty woman on my local Nextdoor who pointedly said "that 20 year old can go elsewhere" from the most recent vaccination event and she accused that person of taking a spot not meant for them except it's for healthcare workers getting their 1st or 2nd dose too being taken care of. Ageism is rather rampant right now.

I think it's good to keep in mind people of all ages are at risk. Your fast food worker may not be critical to a workplace if hospitalized or as likely to be hospitalized though, a valid point to make regarding efficacy but they stand a risk of contracting it higher than someone who is reducing their interactions with the community. So it's kinda all how you look at it. 70+% is still quite high so it's not worst case scenario at all here though.

 

[RamblingMad]

Looks like we’re still going to need some kind of booster for the SA variant.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

This makes total sense. And they are likely a less motivated population to get the vaccine to begin with.....so just one jab would make sense. Hand out coupons for free beer....whatever it takes. .

I think I would separate out motivation based on mis-information and motivation based off of perceived risks. Majority I'm seeing who are vaccine hesitant would fall into the middle age group and into 60s where when you get to about 70 or so the interest level becomes very high again. I think we're going to have a harder time getting the middle aged group get it purely based on misinformation. An interesting special I watched last night regarding an extremist group and how before de-radicalization was often seen as a youth issue so tactics were created with that in mind but in recent times misinformation and conspiracies have become really big in the older crowd and tactics are needing to be adjusted for that, they even mentioned 'grannies' which was surprising to me.

People my age (30s) and younger are wanting the vaccine so much. So much of their lives have been upheaved they want something, anything, that may allow them the opportunity to live more freely..eventually that is. I do know some younger people who are against the vaccine based on misinformation and extreme views. Rarely is the reason "I'm in good health no need". That's an observation though from my experience. I'm not doubting that there are people who are young who brush off getting the vaccine because in their minds they have a lower perceived risk.

 

[Jonfw2]

Looks like we’re still going to need some kind of booster for the SA variant.

Two weeks ago, South Africa was averaging 19,000 cases per day. Today, they're avering 8,000.

That's a pretty massive drop in two weeks.

 

[Farro]

Two weeks ago, South Africa was averaging 19,000 cases per day. Today, they're avering 8,000.

That's a pretty massive drop in two weeks.

Sometimes just gazing over news headlines or certain posts really brings me down, feeling as if we will never be out of this.
I appreciate you and the other posters on this thread for tempering a lot of the gloomy speculation with some good news too.

 

[Jonfw2]

Sometimes just gazing over news headlines or certain posts really brings me down, feeling as if we will never be out of this.
I appreciate you and the other posters on this thread for tempering a lot of the gloomy speculation with some good news too.

It's my pleasure. And I assure you: I will never say anything positive unless it's 100% accurate.

 

[dvcgirl67]

People my age (30s) and younger are wanting the vaccine so much. So much of their lives have been upheaved they want something, anything, that may allow them the opportunity to live more freely..eventually that is. I do know some younger people who are against the vaccine based on misinformation and extreme views. Rarely is the reason "I'm in good health no need". That's an observation though from my experience. I'm not doubting that there are people who are young who brush off getting the vaccine because in their minds they have a lower perceived risk.

Well, you're describing most people my age as well...at least those in my circle. All of our lives have been flipped upside down, to a certain degree anyway. I'm really feeling more now that we're almost a year into this thing and likely even more because it's really cold out now. We can't do outside visits with our elderly parents now. We still don't feel comfortable traveling...etc. I guess I was thinking of younger people in that last point you made....the "lower perceived risk" thing. We all felt immortal to a certain degree at that age. And with Covid, there's the added "it only kills old people" thing...making somewhat less of a priority for some I'd think.

I'm thinking that travel will get a lot of people motivated. Whether they be cruisers or international travelers....they may need that vaccine to do what they enjoy doing. I know that younger people....say, 20s-30s....travel a whole lot more internationally now than my peer group did at the same age. So if not beer....I don't know....frequent flier miles for the vaccine. I'm open to all ideas here .

 

[rjb123]

What if this was the headline instead of the percentage?

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so help me to understand- is the 72% after four weeks or after two weeks? Because the complete protection after four weeks from severe illness/ hospitalization is actually fantastic.

 

[Jonfw2]

so help me to understand- is the 72% after four weeks or after two weeks? Because the complete protection after four weeks from severe illness/ hospitalization is actually fantastic.

Great question. That number is based off EVERY person in the study who got covid after getting vaccinated, even if it was the same day they got the shot. And you are correct: ZERO severe cases after four weeks is a grand slam.

Like I said earlier, if this were a two-doser, even if the second shot was just Kool-Aid, they wouldn't start counting until 30 days out. If we start there, zero severe cases.

 

[anniemae]

Sometimes just gazing over news headlines or certain posts really brings me down, feeling as if we will never be out of this.
I appreciate you and the other posters on this thread for tempering a lot of the gloomy speculation with some good news too.

Same LOL!! I watch the news then panic about something and think to myself, "I'll just post on that thread and Jonfw2, Farro, and/or Mackenzie-click will talk me down."

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Well, you're describing most people my age as well...at least those in my circle. All of our lives have been flipped upside down, to a certain degree anyway. I'm really feeling more now that we're almost a year into this thing and likely even more because it's really cold out now. We can't do outside visits with our elderly parents now. We still don't feel comfortable traveling...etc. I guess I was thinking of younger people in that last point you made....the "lower perceived risk" thing. We all felt immortal to a certain degree at that age. And with Covid, there's the added "it only kills old people" thing...making somewhat less of a priority for some I'd think.

I'm thinking that travel will get a lot of people motivated. Whether they be cruisers or international travelers....they may need that vaccine to do what they enjoy doing. I know that younger people....say, 20s-30s....travel a whole lot more internationally now than my peer group did at the same age. So if not beer....I don't know....frequent flier miles for the vaccine. I'm open to all ideas here .

No I understand I was responding to your comment that "they are likely a less motivated population to get the vaccine to begin with" but if you're more thinking perceived risk part I'd agree which is why I was separating it out but by separating it out I was also considering people of all ages. In other words we largely agree

 

[Jonfw2]

Same LOL!! I watch the news then panic about something and think to myself, "I'll just post on that thread and Jonfw2, Farro, and/or Mackenzie-click will talk me down."

Please tell the mods I am a calming influence.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Same LOL!! I watch the news then panic about something and think to myself, "I'll just post on that thread and Jonfw2, Farro, and/or Mackenzie-click will talk me down."

I appreciate you adding me in there! Some days are better than others for me on the positivity train I must be honest in that but I do try to give reassurance when I can. Lordy only knows we need each other at times just to bring us back, myself included so I look to y'all for that as well

 

[dvcgirl67]

Two weeks ago, South Africa was averaging 19,000 cases per day. Today, they're avering 8,000.

That's a pretty massive drop in two weeks.

Yes, the numbers are coming down, but anxiety is still high there. I'm not even remotely someone who knows a lot about S.A, but we were going to take a trip there....it's still "postponed"....because, well, they have our money (for the land portion anyway). And through all of this I've formed a friendly e-mail relationship with our travel advisor and have been in touch since all of this started. I do factor in her profession with her mood, because she's struggling financially now, but her concerns make sense. It's summer there now, and so she said that and the fact that they have been in a pretty strict lockdown for some time reflect that. They have curfews, pretty severe limits on indoor gatherings/dining...alcohol ban everywhere, including hotels/restaurants for travelers/tourists...etc. The president is scrambling for vaccines...and said at best the goal is to vaccine 2/3 of the country by the end of the year. She also said there's a lot of concern now that what little travel they've had (and it's a big part of their economy)....is going to retreat now with their more transmissible variant. I know the W.H.O is against this kind of labeling...South Africa, U.K. and Brazil variant...etc.

I'm hoping with everyone else that these numbers come down and stay down. I'm hoping that the "end is in sight" here in our country. But it's going to be slower going in other parts of the world.

 

[huskies90]

Sometimes just gazing over news headlines or certain posts really brings me down, feeling as if we will never be out of this.
I appreciate you and the other posters on this thread for tempering a lot of the gloomy speculation with some good news too.

I agree. This is one of the best Covid vaccine threads in this crazy sea of media/social media negativity. I come here every day for optimism and facts. Thanks to all for keeping it positive and real.

 

[godisney14]

There is nothing bad about this news, for goodnesssake. This is WONDERFUL news. Bad news would have been "less than 50% effective overall."

Plus, this vaccine having been tested against the current SA and UK strains and STILL being over 50% effective is AMAZING.

We don't even know how effective the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are against these strains, exactly. Just guesses so far, and in fact, they could have the same effectiveness as the J&J one against these more potent strains.

In addition, there were NO allergic reactions to this vaccine in the trial, so that is another win.

Pretty half-full optimism there.
I’m not saying it’s not wonderful but the results could’ve been better.

What makes <50% efficacy bad, but >50% wonderful and nothing bad?

At about 60% effectiveness, that’s similar to the annual flu shot which some people, including some here from what I’ve read in the past, say is ineffective on personal anecdotes.

And, Moderna did say that their vaccine is 6-fold less effective on the SA strain in-vitro. So, we don’t not know anything at all. I’m assuming it’s not effective enough given that they’re already testing out boosters specific to those strains in local regions.

Having said that, I’d much, much prefer the J&J vaccine over the Pfizer/BioNTech/Moderna when it’s my turn.

 

[DLgal]

Pretty half-full optimism there.
I’m not saying it’s not wonderful but the results could’ve been better.

What makes <50% efficacy bad, but >50% wonderful and nothing bad?

At about 60% effectiveness, that’s similar to the annual flu shot which some people, including some here from what I’ve read in the past, say is ineffective on personal anecdotes.

And, Moderna did say that their vaccine is 6-fold less effective on the SA strain in-vitro. So, we don’t not know anything at all. I’m assuming it’s not effective enough given that they’re already testing out boosters specific to those strains in local regions.

Having said that, I’d much, much prefer the J&J vaccine over the Pfizer/BioNTech/Moderna when it’s my turn.

The flu vaccine is designed to keep people out of the hospital and from dying. Getting sick from the flu after getting vaccinated doesn't mean the vaccine was ineffective.

For the purposes of FDA approval, 50% is the threshold effectiveness. Greater than 50% grants authorization, less than 50% disqualifies.

 

[Farro]

The flu vaccine is designed to keep people out of the hospital and from dying. Getting sick from the flu after getting vaccinated doesn't mean the vaccine was ineffective.

For the purposes of FDA approval, 50% is the threshold effectiveness. Greater than 50 grants authorization, less than 50% disqualifies.

I'm not sure when it became that everyone thought the vaccine would end up making it so none of us ever got infected by Covid again. Some people will be infected.

It's to make sure if we do get sick, our body's immune response can fight it. Either fight it with no symptoms at all or if we do get symptoms, mild to moderate and not requiring hospitalization. And that's a GREAT outcome.

And if it turns out the vaccines actually do stop all people from ever becoming infected at all? Bonus!