CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[Colleen27]

So why should I care about what happens in a country that doesn’t have a significant population? The numbers are too small. It’s like let’s look at what WY does and hold it up as an example. It’s absurd.

But nothing about the article had anything to do with population size. It wasn't about administration rates or anything like that. It is basically a large-scale, real-world effectiveness study.

 

[Jonfw2]

So why should I care about what happens in a country that doesn’t have a significant population? The numbers are too small. It’s like let’s look at what WY does and hold it up as an example. It’s absurd.

West Virginia is leading the US in vaccine distribution. Small state. Could the other 49 still learn from what they've done so far?

 

[RamblingMad]

But nothing about the article had anything to do with population size. It wasn't about administration rates or anything like that. It is basically a large-scale, real-world effectiveness study.

On a population of 9 million people. It’s not an apples to apples comparison. What US city would you compare it to to draw any conclusions?

 

[RamblingMad]

West Virginia is leading the US in vaccine distribution. Small state. Could the other 49 still learn from what they've done so far?

Canada has vaccinated more per capita than the US. It really boils down to how many vaccines are being distributed.

 

[Jonfw2]

Canada has vaccinated more per capita than the US. It really boils down to how many vaccines are being distributed.

Okay...respectfully, I don't understand what you're arguing but I suspect if I did, I would disagree with it.

 

[Colleen27]

On a population of 9 million people. It’s not an apples to apples comparison. What US city would you compare it to to draw any conclusions?

Why does it need to compare to a US state or city? Do you think the controlled studies that proved the vaccine's effectiveness to the FDA are also meaningless because they weren't as large as any state or country? I don't understand the leap you're making here regarding population size. What matters, and what the article focused on, was that among one of the first large groups in the world to be vaccinated, the vaccine's effectiveness appears to match those of the much smaller and more controlled clinical trials. It really doesn't matter that that group is "Israeli residents" rather than "American nurses" or "British elderly" or any other first-priority group; what matters is the supporting evidence of the vaccine's unusually high effectiveness rate.

 

[KBoopaloo]

The crazy way this is being distributed makes no sense. My family group text was wild this afternoon with reports that two nearby towns are having vaccine clinics on Feb 1 for those 75 and over. The website is very poorly designed and the clinics are only open to residents of five or six surrounding towns - it seems county based I think. So basically one county in MA has supply for those 75 and over in about a week (about 600 total appointments, it looks like) and no one else does?

 

[skeeter31]

On a population of 9 million people. It’s not an apples to apples comparison. What US city would you compare it to to draw any conclusions?

It has nothing to do with comparing it to a US city, it’s showing the effectiveness of the vaccine in a much larger group than the original RX company studies. Israel has had strict travel restrictions in and out, and has done an amazing job at vaccinating their population, so these reports are showing that the vaccine works. It doesn’t matter that it’s a small country. It’s contained and showing great promise. This is excellent news!

 

[NotUrsula]

So why should I care about what happens in a country that doesn’t have a significant population? The numbers are too small. It’s like let’s look at what WY does and hold it up as an example. It’s absurd.

Oh, I disagree. There are always things in success stories that can be used, no matter where you are.

What counts is percentages and trends, not absolute numbers. Process mgmt techniques should always be looked at for potential improvements when things are not going the way that you would like them to. Maybe everything that they have done won't be applicable, but some parts probably will be.

 

[Donnainnj]

Canada has vaccinated more per capita than the US. It really boils down to how many vaccines are being distributed.

not a according to their vaccine tracker.

 

[mrs. magoo]

I have been waiting to see information from Israel so that is very promising. They have an aggressive vaccination campaign and I was hoping to see good things from it. In my morning paper there is an article about a new drug being used Ivermectin - apparently I missed it but it was talked about at a recent Senate hearing. Two patients locally have had their families go to court to insist it be used on their ventilated relatives. Both times the patients improved within hours to no longer needing ventilation. I had not heard of it and thought maybe others have heard of it.

ETA: Here is a news story about it.
https://13wham.com/news/local/rgh-under-court-order-to-treat-covid-patient-with-controversial-drug

 

[Suger Mag]

The crazy way this is being distributed makes no sense. My family group text was wild this afternoon with reports that two nearby towns are having vaccine clinics on Feb 1 for those 75 and over. The website is very poorly designed and the clinics are only open to residents of five or six surrounding towns - it seems county based I think. So basically one county in MA has supply for those 75 and over in about a week (about 600 total appointments, it looks like) and no one else does?

No, it is all of MA. Baker just announced (last night 1/25) that as of Feb 1 the first priority group of phase 2 (ages 75 and older) will now be eligible. That county or town is just ready to go. In theory all of the MA vaccine clinics will start vaccinating ages 75+ as of Feb 1... not just that one town/county.

https://www.wwlp.com/news/health/co...Pg6L7Gw0ZR25NHVGH1dZGQb-L3vvgP0mOmlGjmxBGF-Tg

 

[kdonnel]

In my morning paper there is an article about a new drug being used Ivermectin - apparently I missed it but it was talked about at a recent Senate hearing.

Ivermectin is not new, I have been giving it to my dogs for decades. It was originally developed for veterinary use in the 70’s.

 

[JaxDad]

Ivermectin is not new, I have been giving it to my dogs for decades. It was originally developed for veterinary use in the 70’s.

And this January 2021 article from The American Journal of Medicine recommends HCQ. Who knew?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002934320306732

 

[mrs. magoo]

Ivermectin is not new, I have been giving it to my dogs for decades. It was originally developed for veterinary use in the 70’s.

I know that it is not a new drug been around since the 1970's I believe just new to being used to treat Covid Patients. Along with the vaccines we need therapeutics to treat Covid as well. If we can repurpose older drugs for that then great. The article Jax Dad posted was interesting as well. I feel that we have not heard much about treatments now that the vaccines are being pushed.

 

[amylevan]

I actually read about ivermectin preventing the multiplying of COVID this past summer but I never saw any real follow up about it. Here’s an article from last June. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011

 

[*DisneyDreamer]

I think we may be operating from a false assumption in saying we haven't seen that. The UK variant was identified from a sample taken in Sept. It is very, very likely that it has been spreading here more or less undetected since not long after that, since US-to-UK travel was possible with limited restrictions for several months after the variant emerged. We just didn't know it until the variant made headlines in the UK, at which point we started looking for it here (and have subsequently found it to have arrived independently in a number of states). There's also mounting evidence that the LA area is dealing with a different, but also apparently more contagious, variant.

It seems possible, probable even, that we have been seeing the consequences of new strains. We just didn't label our fall surge as such because of a combination of a lack of the genetic sequencing that allows for variant tracking and a cultural bias to look for explanations in individual behavior rather than systemic shifts to explain changing data patterns.

I 100% agree with this. The experts all seem to be building up this fear and mindset that the variants have yet to show up here. I’m not saying they’re wrong, but we really don’t know. It seems highly probable that it could be a variant that has caused our surges as well.

 

[Jonfw2]

We absolutely need good treatments as well as vaccines. As soon as the vaccines do kick in, our numbers will be reduced to an amount of severe cases that is extremely treatable and much younger in average age than it is now- with the ability to effectively treat that group, we can get the death rate to near zero.

 

[Jonfw2]

I 100% agree with this. The experts all seem to be building up this fear and mindset that the variants have yet to show up here. I’m not saying they’re wrong, but we really don’t know. It seems highly probable that it could be a variant that has caused our surges as well.

I'll jump on board with this one as well- it seems to be way beyond coincidence that the UK's spike is being blamed totally on the new variant when it happened around Christmas almost at the same time as ours.

 

[anniemae]

I 100% agree with this. The experts all seem to be building up this fear and mindset that the variants have yet to show up here. I’m not saying they’re wrong, but we really don’t know. It seems highly probable that it could be a variant that has caused our surges as well.

Yes, it all seemed kind of strange to me. They keep saying the next couple of months could be "really bad" with the new variants. But they have been saying it for a while. Every once in a while they throw in a new variant. Now they are talking about a Brazil variant that was detected. Before it was the UK, then the South Africa variant. I am not saying it's not true, just that it probably has been here already. I also feel covid was in the US for a while before they officially declared the first case.