CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[mom2rtk]

Just heard a fascinating theory. Curious as to thoughts:

Make 10% of the vaccine supply available for out of pocket cost to whomever would pay. Give all the proceeds to small business relief.

No. We should be helping small business without monetizing the vaccine.

Doing something like this implies that we can't help small business already. The shortfalls are because nobody has prioritized small business.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Just heard a fascinating theory. Curious as to thoughts:

Make 10% of the vaccine supply available for out of pocket cost to whomever would pay. Give all the proceeds to small business relief.

Interesting idea. I liked the idea of incentivizing people to simply get the vaccine by paying them. $2,000 per individual once they receive the second dose. Agree with another poster that we should already be helping small businesses....enough has not been done to help many. I know that there are lots of programs still available, but many of them are loans and that won't help them.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Interesting idea. I liked the idea of incentivizing people to simply get the vaccine by paying them. $2,000 per individual once they receive the second dose. Agree with another poster that we should already be helping small businesses....enough has not been done to help many. I know that there are lots of programs still available, but many of them are loans and that won't help them.

It didn't sound like the idea was about trying to get more people interested in getting the vaccine, it sounded more like the idea was to give people a way to bypass and just pay to get it because they can. Incentivizing and monetizing are different. Sending the money to small business owners just makes it look like a 'feel good' thing. We should be helping them anyways and it shouldn't come from allowing people to buy up what limited supply of vaccine that we have.

 

[godisney14]

Just heard a fascinating theory. Curious as to thoughts:

Make 10% of the vaccine supply available for out of pocket cost to whomever would pay. Give all the proceeds to small business relief.

Do not agree. This is a public health crisis. There shouldn’t be a pay to play option.

 

[dvcgirl67]

It didn't sound like the idea was about trying to get more people interested in getting the vaccine, it sounded more like the idea was to give people a way to bypass and just pay to get it because they can. Incentivizing and monetizing are different.

Yes, I understand the difference. I just don't think it would make a dent for the small businesses that are struggling. If we're lucky enough to get say...150 million people vaccinated by the summer, we've got 15 million people who would pay for the vaccine. The two dose Pfizer vaccine is $40 total...so 6 billion bucks. The paycheck protection program distributed 525 Billion.....there was still money left in the program when they initially shut it down in June. They just released another 284 billion to small businesses last week. 6 billion is just a drop in the bucket.

It's more of a "feel good" kind of thing. $2,000 per person would be another round of stimulus that will likely be needed later this spring for most folks anyway....and a lot more money into the financial system. And those small business owners would get it as well for their households. Also might help some people who are vaccine hesitant...off the fence.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Yes, I understand the difference. I just don't think it would make a dent for the small businesses that are struggling. If we're lucky enough to get say...150 million people vaccinated by the summer, we've got 15 million people who would pay for the vaccine. The two dose Pfizer vaccine is $40 total...so 6 billion bucks. The paycheck protection program distributed 525 Billion.....there was still money left in the program when they initially shut it down in June. They just released another 284 billion to small businesses last week. 6 billion is just a drop in the bucket.

It's more of a "feel good" kind of thing. $2,000 per person would be another round of stimulus that will likely be needed later this spring for most folks anyway....and a lot more money into the financial system. And those small business owners would get it as well for their households. Also might help some people who are vaccine hesitant...off the fence.

$2,000 is a lot of money to give to someone that for most people they believe should be getting the vaccine regardless of incentive or not. I think the most I saw was something like $600 for healthcare workers in that area.

I don't have an issue with financial incentives at all but I think we should always keep that separate from governmental aid meant for people. A hospital choosing to give their employees it to boost how many want it and the Federal government doing it in lieu of aid elsewhere doesn't sit well with me.

 

[Jonfw2]

Just a delayed response to the Gottleib comments from a couple days ago:

I'm an avid follower of the man, but I don't think he's going to prove correct that we will have another major surge do to a variant strain. The reason I say this is that the UK has been dealing with theirs for several weeks now and their numbers are falling not rising.

 

[DLgal]

Just a delayed response to the Gottleib comments from a couple days ago:

I'm an avid follower of the man, but I don't think he's going to prove correct that we will have another major surge do to a variant strain. The reason I say this is that the UK has been dealing with theirs for several weeks now and their numbers are falling not rising.

We have been having a major surge in CA for over a month now, due to a new variant. The UK variant has been found here, but there is also another NEW variant that seems to be in CA, predominantly. Our numbers have absolutely exploded with no good reason, given the broad restrictions we have had in place this whole time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/18/california-coronavirus-variant/

 

[*DisneyDreamer]

Just a delayed response to the Gottleib comments from a couple days ago:

I'm an avid follower of the man, but I don't think he's going to prove correct that we will have another major surge do to a variant strain. The reason I say this is that the UK has been dealing with theirs for several weeks now and their numbers are falling not rising.

I’m not a scientist or virologist, so I know nothing about how these things work, but I have to admit that this is a thought I’ve had. Yes, there’s the UK variant that has been found here, but is there a chance it won’t become dominant here because it’s being overrun by other variants/strains that are also super contagious? The US doesn’t do much sequencing or whatever they call it, so is it possible we just have a different strain/mutation that has caused the intense surges?

I know this is probably a long shot and the experts know more than me and have knowledge to base their predictions on, but it just made me curious.

 

[*DisneyDreamer]

We have been having a major surge in CA for over a month now, due to a new variant. The UK variant has been found here, but there is also another NEW variant that seems to be in CA, predominantly. Our numbers have absolutely exploded with no good reason, given the broad restrictions we have had in place this whole time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/18/california-coronavirus-variant/

This is exactly why I’m curious. With the crazy spread in the US, there are probably a lot of different strains already. I know I heard about one in Ohio too.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

We have been having a major surge in CA for over a month now, due to a new variant. The UK variant has been found here, but there is also another NEW variant that seems to be in CA, predominantly. Our numbers have absolutely exploded with no good reason, given the broad restrictions we have had in place this whole time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/18/california-coronavirus-variant/

These variants are so important to know even in hindsight even though we know viruses do this and we don't have to be alarmed at finding a new one. I don't know why some people don't think they are important to know but if you restrict the heck out of a place it doesn't mean they can get their COVID situation under control if there's something in the background always thwarting it. Of course not every place's out of control COVID situation is due to a variant but if we genetic sequenced far more we may just find this to be the case. We know it has occurred elsewhere in the U.S.

I've been wondering about my area. We reopened most things in May but we've still had some restrictions in place but our cases did not go nutty until July and on and they just went off the chart in November (long before Thanksgiving). I think people have without a doubt dropped their awareness but that doesn't necessarily mean there wasn't something else going on. The increase in testing capabilities I think helped too but IDK this is what my county is:



This is for the other county in the state that has the 2nd most population:



My state follows a similar path though they still had cases (mostly due to meatpacking, corrections outbreaks whereas my county had more LTC outbreaks) in May:



I mean laxness in COVID precautions can def. be the reason but could it also be something else too? Temperature only accounts for so much.

I should note they have found at least 2 variants in the state in what limited sequencing they have done--Wisconsin and Utah.

 

[TLSnell1981]

$2,000 is a lot of money to give to someone that for most people they believe should be getting the vaccine regardless of incentive or not. I think the most I saw was something like $600 for healthcare workers in that area.

I don't have an issue with financial incentives at all but I think we should always keep that separate from governmental aid meant for people. A hospital choosing to give their employees it to boost how many want it and the Federal government doing it in lieu of aid elsewhere doesn't sit well with me.

Geesh. I don’t agree with paying folks to get the vax. It’s free and too many are late or no shows for the jab. Maybe they should take a page from Disney dining. You are charged person for late cancellations or no shows.
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[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Geesh. I don’t agree with paying folks to get the vax. It’s free and too many are late or no shows for the jab.. Maybe they should take a page from Disney dining. You are charged person for late cancellations or no shows.
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We (meaning several posters) kinda had this discussion pages back. Incentives are used for a variety of things including blood donations. It may not seem palatable to some people but it's used in other ways. I wouldn't be for taking away aid from somewhere else for these vaccine incentives. And I wouldn't be for monetizing it either.

As far as Disney dining well heck the way some people talk about their vaccine appointment booking experiences it's just like waiting for ADR and FP drops the scrambling and frantic nature of trying to get it and of course working with webpage timeouts and navigation issues and stalking to see if something opens up, sure feels like Disney trained some peeps

 

[Colleen27]

The lack of any consistent distribution is maddening. Our rural county got 600 doses initially. The one next to us, same population, same hospital capacity, got 100. The hospital at the next county is letting me keep a list of interested patients that I will submit to the hospital weekly. My local hospital has a single voicemail you call and leave a message. It is obviously almost impossible to call and not be full. This hospital also expressly said it did NOT want my to send them a list of interested patients.

My friend, outside of Houston, was able to go to one of the pharmacies and get vaccines for herself (age 50) and her 2 college kids. None of them are anywhere near 1a/b/c/etc status. I'm not blaming her, as the pharmacy made the call, but it's so random.

Same here. The distribution is being done via public-private hybrid system - public health agencies and hospital systems - so access depends on the medical systems that operate in each county. At the extremes, my county of 180K people has gotten the same number of doses as a far north county of 65K people; they're expanding vaccination into groups further down the priority list and we can't even get people with 1a status done. It seems like it would be such a no-brainer to distribute based on population, but that's not how it is being done at all and it makes how/when a person can get vaccinated as much a matter of residency as anything else.

 

[Colleen27]

We have been having a major surge in CA for over a month now, due to a new variant. The UK variant has been found here, but there is also another NEW variant that seems to be in CA, predominantly. Our numbers have absolutely exploded with no good reason, given the broad restrictions we have had in place this whole time.

Yeah, the ability of a virus variant to spread absolutely depends upon the environment it is competing in, and if our out-of-control numbers are in part because of a more virulent strain, that could impact the UK variant's ability to get a foothold. Also, I'm not sure the "70% more contagious" comparison, which is based on other variants that were/are circulating in the UK, will prove accurate when the question is the UK variant vs. what we're currently dealing with "in the wild" in the US. I think, given the experiences of California (and to a lesser degree, other states that are seeing case increases despite tight restrictions), it is a mistake to assume the US baseline virulence is the same as the UK baseline before the new variant.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Just a delayed response to the Gottleib comments from a couple days ago:

I'm an avid follower of the man, but I don't think he's going to prove correct that we will have another major surge do to a variant strain. The reason I say this is that the UK has been dealing with theirs for several weeks now and their numbers are falling not rising.

The U.K. Is in a pretty hard core lockdown though. They have been for several weeks now...similar to the U.S. in March/April. Since before Christmas I think...through the middle of February. Wouldn’t that explain the decrease in cases? We were able to really flatten the curve here too back in the early spring. We were all home.

 

[tippity]

Our numbers have absolutely exploded with no good reason, given the broad restrictions we have had in place this whole time.

Broad restrictions have not prevented friends and families get togethers in each others' homes. These are the super spreading events. On the bright side, the numbers should start declining since we are two weeks out from New Years.
The next big surge will be after Super Bowl Sunday Feb 7th.

 

[Jonfw2]

Broad restrictions have not prevented friends and families get togethers in each others' homes. These are the super spreading events. On the bright side, the numbers should start declining since we are two weeks out from New Years.
The next big surge will be after Super Bowl Sunday Feb 7th.

Good observation. However, I don’t think the Super Bowl will be as bad as you fear- I think there will be far less parties than normal and people who would normally be vigilant won’t let their guard down for this one as they likely did for the holidays.

 

[Jonfw2]

Broad restrictions have not prevented friends and families get togethers in each others' homes. These are the super spreading events. On the bright side, the numbers should start declining since we are two weeks out from New Years.
The next big surge will be after Super Bowl Sunday Feb 7th.

Also, the numbers have fallen substantially already in the last week here, from 255k to 210k per day.

 

[jlwhitney]

Broad restrictions have not prevented friends and families get togethers in each others' homes. These are the super spreading events. On the bright side, the numbers should start declining since we are two weeks out from New Years.
The next big surge will be after Super Bowl Sunday Feb 7th.

Good observation. However, I don’t think the Super Bowl will be as bad as you fear- I think there will be far less parties than normal and people who would normally be vigilant won’t let their guard down for this one as they likely did for the holidays.

I don't think super bowl will bad at all, and most will be at homes vs crammed in crowded bars and such and really alot of people watch it not all have big parties. Christmas is much bigger event holiday and involves school breaks and alot of traveling.