CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[dvcgirl67]

And now we have this story, out of Tampa ...
https://www.tampabay.com/news/healt...begin-swarming-coronavirus-vaccination-sites/

de Santis has declared that all senior citizens will go next now that the majority of frontline healthcare workers who want it have been vaccinated. My DS' GF is an elementary school teacher, and she's pretty livid that her colleagues who have underlying health issues will apparently have to wait until all of the healthy older folks are served first.

I believe Texas and Ohio have made the same call. States were given guidelines from the CDC....so no federal plan. Also interesting that Florida has already vaccinated all healthcare workers who wanted a vaccine. That seemed quick....wonder how many didn't get it.

 

[okeydokey]

I believe Texas and Ohio have made the same call. States were given guidelines from the CDC....so no federal plan. Also interesting that Florida has already vaccinated all healthcare workers who wanted a vaccine. That seemed quick....wonder how many didn't get it.

Fl has not vaccinated all health care workers who wanted a vaccine. I know several waiting.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I believe Texas and Ohio have made the same call. States were given guidelines from the CDC....so no federal plan. Also interesting that Florida has already vaccinated all healthcare workers who wanted a vaccine. That seemed quick....wonder how many didn't get it.

I don't think a federal plan would have necessarily worked given that different states experienced issues differently with different populations. Different essential workers as well.

Although universally for the most part that is long-term care was given high priority which given how much deaths in that congregate setting have occurred within those facilities it makes sense.

And regardless of a federal plan people would have been angry. I suppose with a federal plan they could have just blamed it all on the federal government..

 

[dvcgirl67]

Fl has not vaccinated all health care workers who wanted a vaccine. I know several waiting.

That's not great. Hopefully the people you know in healthcare will get theirs soon.

 

[aggiedog]

I'm in Texas, and an ophthalmologist. I don't care for acutely ill patients, but I do see 170+ patients a week, and each exam I'm about 8" from each one's face.

Our local pharmacy got 100 doses of the Moderna vaccine. When I asked the pharmacist about it, he said eye doctors and dentists were excluded from 1a/b criteria. Say what? (FWIW, my 3 partners were vaccinated the week prior thru a metropolitan hospital they work at.) I called the two local hospitals who also have doses and neither knew of any restrictions on those two groups. One hospital called me back and offered me a vaccination that day.

My parents, who live next door to me, were told to call and put themselves on a list for once they start doing over 75 yo's. I know others that have been unable to get a call back or response for that list.

I have to say there is no way that vaccinating every 75+ yo in the county makes more sense than the dentists or me and my partners who are actively providing care. Our clinics are all super busy with both disease and people that just want their new glasses and contacts. Like, insanely busy.

I'd have to say there is no real, transparent plan in my area.

 

[NotUrsula]

I believe Texas and Ohio have made the same call. States were given guidelines from the CDC....so no federal plan. Also interesting that Florida has already vaccinated all healthcare workers who wanted a vaccine. That seemed quick....wonder how many didn't get it.

My understanding is that they made the claim based on healthcare worker appointments that have been set; thus the doses are supposedly spoken for. It wouldn't surprise me at all if de Santis was using incorrect data to make the decision.

 

[mefordis]

I believe Texas and Ohio have made the same call. States were given guidelines from the CDC....so no federal plan. Also interesting that Florida has already vaccinated all healthcare workers who wanted a vaccine. That seemed quick....wonder how many didn't get it.

Probably many refused. My cousin works at a major hospital as an RN and there are many, many who are refusing the vaccine.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I'm in Texas, and an ophthalmologist. I don't care for acutely ill patients, but I do see 170+ patients a week, and each exam I'm about 8" from each one's face.

Our local pharmacy got 100 doses of the Moderna vaccine. When I asked the pharmacist about it, he said eye doctors and dentists were excluded from 1a/b criteria. Say what? (FWIW, my 3 partners were vaccinated the week prior thru a metropolitan hospital they work at.) I called the two local hospitals who also have doses and neither knew of any restrictions on those two groups. One hospital called me back and offered me a vaccination that day.

My parents, who live next door to me, were told to call and put themselves on a list for once they start doing over 75 yo's. I know others that have been unable to get a call back or response for that list.

I have to say there is no way that vaccinating every 75+ yo in the county makes more sense than the dentists or me and my partners who are actively providing care. Our clinics are all super busy with both disease and people that just want their new glasses and contacts. Like, insanely busy.

I'd have to say there is no real, transparent plan in my area.

Yes, hearing the same around here in NJ. I have a customer who is a dentist. He works in mid-town Manhattan. He's 64 years old, and so far has been unable to get a vaccine. My sister-in-law, a manager of 2 covid units in NJ is getting her vaccine tomorrow. She's literally swimming in Covid every day. I'm really hoping that the pace picks up soon.

 

[DLgal]

IMO, this whole rollout has been a disaster so far, predictably. When there isn't a real plan, this is what happens. Apparently the Covid task force has not met since Nov 9. Inexcusable. We literally have no national leadership at this point.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Probably many refused. My cousin works at a major hospital as an RN and there are many, many who are refusing the vaccine.

It does seem to be a mixed bag with healthcare workers as far as wanting to get it.

 

[RamblingMad]

I'd have to say there is no real, transparent plan in my area.

Makes sense to me. Executing nationwide vaccinations is not a small under taking. Lots of mistakes will be made.

 

[amylevan]

There are roughly 260 million adults living in the US. For goodness sake people, vaccinating that amount is an insane undertaking, especially when you consider that the 2 current vaccines require two shots. (And that the US is not the only country with their hands out waiting for vaccines.). That is A LOT of vaccine and it requires production, transportation, storage and distribution. Not to mention money, organization, tracking and cooperation.

Just in this thread alone, we’ve got people arguing over whether seniors deserve it sooner than essential workers. Arguments over who exactly is an essential worker, etc. and which state or country has the right order. You don’t think the decision makers had the same arguments? I’m going to go on a limb and say there is no right answer here.

Personally I’m of the opinion that seniors should be first because they have the highest risk of death. But I can understand why dentists, teachers, etc all think they should be at the top. Unfortunately I think everyone is just going to have to be patient.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Probably many refused. My cousin works at a major hospital as an RN and there are many, many who are refusing the vaccine.

I only know one who is "technically" eligible but has refused the vax because she's nine months pregnant. Some are proudly posting they've gotten the first round even though they swore they would never...

I think most in the medical field think about more than just themselves. Otherwise they may have chosen different professions. I'm really a bit surprised to hear many, many are refusing.

 

[rjb123]

I believe Texas and Ohio have made the same call. States were given guidelines from the CDC....so no federal plan. Also interesting that Florida has already vaccinated all healthcare workers who wanted a vaccine. That seemed quick....wonder how many didn't get it.

To be quite honest, I am pretty PO'd that some 22 year old teacher can get vaccinated before my parents who are in their 70's but not quite 75, and not in the greatest health, but not sick ENOUGH to get it in 1B. yeah, not ok. Also that my 16 year old kid gets it before his 50 year old dad. Again, not ok.

 

[RamblingMad]

She might be still alive if vaccines were available sooner.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowb...u5slq_h276tbwpCvPsNkJARtG3QXwyWkeJSm9zHmORJgo

 

[Colleen27]

To be quite honest, I am pretty PO'd that some 22 year old teacher can get vaccinated before my parents who are in their 70's but not quite 75, and not in the greatest health, but not sick ENOUGH to get it in 1B. yeah, not ok. Also that my 16 year old kid gets it before his 50 year old dad. Again, not ok.

There are always going to be disagreements. But to some extent it has to be about risk of exposure rather than risk of death, particularly with all of the negative not-dead outcomes that younger people are experiencing. My 73yo mother can avoid the virus forever - she barely drives and is thrilled to have curbside and delivery for everything. But that 22yo teacher or 25yo nurse or 19yo college kid or 21yo retail worker cannot self-isolate without major disruptions not only to his/her income and lifestyle but also to systems that our society relies upon. Prioritizing the vaccine strictly based on age/risk of death maximizes the length of time it will take to resume relatively ordinary economic and social activities because those most exposed to the virus and most likely to spread it to others would be at the very end of the line.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

She might be still alive if vaccines were available sooner.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowb...u5slq_h276tbwpCvPsNkJARtG3QXwyWkeJSm9zHmORJgo

Can we not do this? I mean really. Push your agenda elsewhere don't use her passing like that.

 

[Jonfw2]

The people here declaring the rollout and vaccination process a disaster are the same people who were saying here a few months ago we were nowhere near having a vaccine.

 

[RamblingMad]

Can we not do this? I mean really. Push your agenda elsewhere don't use her passing like that.

What agenda? I've been pushing science and shutting down the crazy conspiracy theory folks.

 

[NotUrsula]

Actually, when I posted that story from the Tampa Bay Times, I was wanting to point out the folly of having thousands of older folks lined up shoulder to shoulder outside vaccination centers. If they had not already been exposed, the situation in those photos looks like it would make sure of it.

As to priorities for older adults, I would say that I agree that those living in nursing homes/assisted living definitely should get priority, and probably also anyone with a chronic condition that often sends them to a doctor's office, but I'm not so sure about healthy retirees who still live independently. Society at large has a vested interest in getting the working-age healthy back to work if they have lost jobs due to the pandemic, and in protecting those who have higher-risk health conditions but must work in person in situations where they come into close contact with large numbers of people. (And yes, some teachers may fall into that category. That is not usually going to be the 22yo teacher; it would more often be the 55 yo teacher who is diabetic.)

I think that where it really gets complicated for Florida is service workers in the hospitality industries. You want to get them back to work so that they are not falling into dependent poverty, but OTOH, if you send them back to work to a business that has no customers because the customers cannot yet access the vaccine, what has been accomplished?

Edited for correction: Story from the Tampa Bay Times; events did not take place in Tampa, but elsewhere in Florida.