CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[DLgal]

I actually had been wondering about that. Seems we didn't hear too much about asthma after a while. One of my sister-in-laws has asthma though it's not severe at all.

My young niece (8) has severe asthma and was hospitalized with pneumonia in January for 10 days. Her pulmonologist told my sister that she was very concerned about my niece catching Covid, not because of her asthma, but because of her susceptibility to developing pneumonia with almost every upper respiratory infection (she has had pneumonia at least 6 times). She says the asthma isn't a risk factor itself. My niece has a spinal curve that compresses her left lung, leading to issues allowing it to fully expand so when she gets sick, infections settle in the lung because she can't cough it out efficiently.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

My young niece (8) has severe asthma and was hospitalized with pneumonia in January for 10 days. Her pulmonologist told my sister that she was very concerned about my niece catching Covid, not because of her asthma, but because of her susceptibility to developing pneumonia with almost every upper respiratory infection (she has had pneumonia at least 6 times). She says the asthma isn't a risk factor itself. My niece has a spinal curve that compresses her left lung, leading to issues allowing it to fully expand so when she gets sick, infections settle in the lung because she can't cough it out efficiently.

I didn't know whether to sad face or like but I liked for the information you gave (especially about the pneumonia part which I hadn't even considered from just asthma) not for the health issues your niece has had poor girl

 

[tippity]

Because then people will say "what are you afraid of?" I had brought up infertility a couple of weeks ago. Not based on anything scientific and not because I actually believed the vaccine would/could cause infertility, just that's it's a concern of mine (as is cancer)


That's my point. How do you (general) say "Well, no other vaccine has caused a massive problem", but not realize other vaccines had been tested for years before going out to the public. I'm guessing at least some vaccines made it to the last testing stage and didn't get distributed because of some problem.

I'm not going to go around and around with you. I never asked why you were afraid of the vaccine, since the reasons you list are just suppositions and nothing else.

Fact: Covid is a massive problem and highly contagious, fact: lockdowns cause huge long term problems ( poverty, depression, increased drug and alcohol abuse, more undiagnosed/ untreated diseases). Fact: every time society re-opens, Covid cases surge. Fact: the current response to Covid cannot be sustained.
Fact: both the Moderna and the Pfizer vaccines show greater than 90% efficacy in preventing subjects from contracting the virus.

I think I'll go with the Vaccine. I'm am aware that there are risks, but I'm not going to let fear of the unknown prevent me from being vaccinated.

 

[Jonfw2]

Someone asked a few days (or 62 pages) ago about when kids will be vaccinated.

To put it simply, the data says this disease just does not impact healthy children. With the obvious exceptions of kids like DLGal's niece, healthy kids don't seem to be getting ill from OR spreading Covid. Please see the enclosed study info from very reputable sources...

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/kids-school-and-covid-19-what-we-know-and-what-we-don-t

 

[Pyotr]

Someone asked a few days (or 62 pages) ago about when kids will be vaccinated.

To put it simply, the data says this disease just does not impact healthy children. With the obvious exceptions of kids like DLGal's niece, healthy kids don't seem to be getting ill from OR spreading Covid. Please see the enclosed study info from very reputable sources...

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/kids-school-and-covid-19-what-we-know-and-what-we-don-t

Its interesting. As I’ve posted about earlier, my daughter spent a great deal amount of time with someone that tested positive (who is now in the hospital) and did not get Covid from her.

 

[Jonfw2]

Its interesting. As I’ve posted about earlier, my daughter spent a great deal amount of time with someone that tested positive (who is now in the hospital) and did not get Covid from her.

It's not entirely clear why kids are getting less symptoms (although I've seen very sensible theories posted here), but it appears they're not spreading it as much because when they're positive, they don't tend to cough, sneeze, and breath heavily like symptomatic adults do. There also, strangely enough, might be something to not being at eye level with most adults.

 

[RamblingMad]

I actually had been wondering about that. Seems we didn't hear too much about asthma after a while. One of my sister-in-laws has asthma though it's not severe at all.

We learned more about it. It really impacts folks with diabetes and heart disease the most.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

I actually had been wondering about that. Seems we didn't hear too much about asthma after a while. One of my sister-in-laws has asthma though it's not severe at all.

It’s reassuring to me as well and DS is an asthmatic. I never knew how much to worry about that.

 

[rjb123]

The vast, vast majority of doctors and scientists encouraging people to get vaccinated do not work for the drug companies.

But to your point, fair: we don’t know if these drugs cause infertility. We also don’t know if they cause blue skin, toenail growth, or an aversion to pants.

We don't know if the vaccine may cause infertility or fertility issues. However we DO know that COVID DOES cause fertility issues and impotence as well as male infertility. So I guess pick your poison? you can go with "may cause infertility" or stick with "does cause infertility and impotence". Not sure why this is such a tough decision.

 

[Lumpy1106]

From the CA press conference today, we should have enough vaccine for 0.4% of the population next week and enough for about 3.5% of the population in December. That's total, and yes, I am dividing by 2 since you need two doses.
I don't know how to feel about that. Not optimistic my kids in public school will be back in school on 1/28 as is the current plan unless things REALLY ramp up in Jan, but every little bit helps...so...

 

[Colleen27]

The two men, one an epidemiologist and the other a former VP of research at Pfizer, have questions they want to see investigated before this vaccine is rolled out to the world. His petition has not a thing to do with Facebook. We need other scientists who do not work for the drug manufacturers weighing in on drugs and biologics in order to make them safe. Science = questioning all the time, forming a hypothesis, testing, data collection, then reporting.

Every scientist who raises an uncomfortable question is not a conspiracy theorist. They don't deserve to be slapped with that label, and they certainly don't deserve to have their decades long careers ruined.

The fact is no one can say if this vaccine will cause infertility because it has not been tested for this. We will have to find out once it is released in the public and we have about 18 months of widespread use behind us.

Even the two doctors who filed the petition acknowledge that they have no evidence that it could or will be an issue. They draw on other vaccine trials - particularly the problems with developing a SARS vaccine - and extrapolate that to project problems with the current vaccine efforts, despite the fact that those issues with the SARS vaccine showed up very quickly (phase 1) in trials and similar issues have not arisen with the current effort. And on the issue of infertility, they seem to be relying entirely on theoretical logic. Not on any demonstrated effect in any human or animal trial. Guesswork, no matter how logical it might sound on the surface, without evidence is not how science works.

Are they now testing on unhealthy people? Show me proof of that. There isn't any. No heart conditions, no asthma. Let the information stand on it's own. Stick with the facts so people can make informed decisions and leave the emotions out of it.

Yes, they are. My friend who is in the Astra-Zeneca trial is 40-something, right on the line between overweight and obese, and takes daily medications for two different health issues. I believe the Phase 3 trials are meant to be relatively representative of the adult population at large, and as such aren't limited only to the healthy the way Phase 1 trials are.

 

[sam_gordon]

We don't know if the vaccine may cause infertility or fertility issues. However we DO know that COVID DOES cause fertility issues and impotence as well as male infertility. So I guess pick your poison? you can go with "may cause infertility" or stick with "does cause infertility and impotence". Not sure why this is such a tough decision.

Because (believe it or not), you MAY catch Covid, or you may NOT.
If you elect to get the vaccine, then you get the vaccine.

 

[rjb123]

Because (believe it or not), you MAY catch Covid, or you may NOT.
If you elect to get the vaccine, then you get the vaccine.

Based on the spread it is likely you will get it if you don't vaccinate. you can only play Russian roulette for so long before you lose. JMHO.

 

[RDM83]

Well, got a date at my facility. They need to know who is opting in by 12/20. 12/21 they will begin vaccinating. Looks like it’s not mandatory for now.

 

[godisney14]

Even the two doctors who filed the petition acknowledge that they have no evidence that it could or will be an issue. They draw on other vaccine trials - particularly the problems with developing a SARS vaccine - and extrapolate that to project problems with the current vaccine efforts, despite the fact that those issues with the SARS vaccine showed up very quickly (phase 1) in trials and similar issues have not arisen with the current effort. And on the issue of infertility, they seem to be relying entirely on theoretical logic. Not on any demonstrated effect in any human or animal trial. Guesswork, no matter how logical it might sound on the surface, without evidence is not how science works.

None of these trials have had enough time passed to show—or not show—any longer term effects. We only have preliminary data of the study endpoints being studied so far.

Just like with the topic of reinfection. We are only starting to see increases in the number of reinfections now that more time has been allowed to pass. Just in October, the general criticism was that there were only a few reported cases. Now, there are a few hundred reported cases.

Just give it some time. That’s why the full results of the current vaccine trials preparing for EUA won’t be out until a couple years.

We could see something or we could not once given enough time. For people to come on here and argue one way or another is pointless at this time. There is no conclusive evidence for either side.

 

[DisneyAuntie12]

Someone asked a few days (or 62 pages) ago about when kids will be vaccinated.

After I heard the vaccine was being released, did a happy dance, and started planning my trip to Disney and other toddler-related outings, it occurred to me "Wait, can babies be vaccinated as well?". Happy dance slowed to a 'happy sway' when I realized they are in a different category and may not be vaccinated until next fall. Wondering how this will impact reopening, schools, mandated use of face masks, etc. Was sooo hoping to have a Disney trip booked in 2022 but now I'm wondering if that's realistic.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Because (believe it or not), you MAY catch Covid, or you may NOT.
If you elect to get the vaccine, then you get the vaccine.

To that point anyone and everyone could contract COVID and they may not know it or it may not present in such a way that one would even suspect you had it.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

After I heard the vaccine was being released, did a happy dance, and started planning my trip to Disney and other toddler-related outings, it occurred to me "Wait, can babies be vaccinated as well?". Happy dance slowed to a 'happy sway' when I realized they are in a different category and may not be vaccinated until next fall. Wondering how this will impact reopening, schools, mandated use of face masks, etc. Was sooo hoping to have a Disney trip booked in 2022 but now I'm wondering if that's realistic.

I don't really think anyone should plan a trip with the assumption that anything is going away by the time their trip is. If it were me I would count on things being the same and make the determination if you feel comfortable booking it that way or if you would prefer to wait and by wait it would be a TBD date. Vacation planning sucks right now even if it's for a few years away

 

[DisneyAuntie12]

I don't really think anyone should plan a trip with the assumption that anything is going away by the time their trip is. If it were me I would count on things being the same and make the determination if you feel comfortable booking it that way or if you would prefer to wait and by wait it would be a TBD date. Vacation planning sucks right now even if it's for a few years away

In my mind I was picturing things being more or less back to normal by mid-2021 and booking a trip for 2022 then. I think I'm so stir crazy that at the first good news I was like "Yes! Everything is fine now! Fine I tell you! I will be licking doorknobs in May 2021 darn it!"

 

[Katiebird]

And no animal trials were conducted on any of major vaccines progressing due to the situation.

This is absolutely not true. Pfizer, Moderna, and Oxford all did studies on mice and monkeys, they just did those studies concurrently with the Phase 1 human studies. (Other vaccine candidates likely did animal studies as well, and all may have used additional animals, but I did not look up those specifics.)

We don’t need to all agree on everything related to the vaccines (or anything else, really), but let’s stick to factually correct information.