CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[RamblingMad]

Michigan is doing really, really badly.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coro...0210415-xg3dawgsinalhfvwuz5ikynx2i-story.html
"“The state is at a record high for hospitalizations for pediatrics during the entire pandemic and our hospital reflects that,” said Dr. Rudolph Valentini, a pediatric nephrologist at Children’s Hospital of Michigan and group chief medical officer for the Detroit Medical Center."

 

[dvcgirl67]

I think this news about J&J has scared people off a little. Even though it currently not being used, I think people are still scared. Many people were willing to get the vaccine, but were a little nervous and unsure I think. Then this just pushed them to delay getting the shot.

There's no doubt that this is happening, here and all over the world. In South Africa, the NYT reported that they had paused AstraZenica which they were planning on giving to front line healthcare workers. They planned on using J&J....and now SA says they won't use it. Australia has decided not to purchase the J&J vaccines that they ordered. One healthcare worker in Malawi reported that people who have been vaccinated have been turning up asking if there's a way to get the vaccine out of their bodies. Saw a poll that 45% of conservatives say they don't want the vaccine at all in our country. And so it goes....

 

[Colleen27]

Michigan is doing really, really badly.

And vaccines dont seem to making a heck of a lot of difference. A friend shared today that she and three friends she was out with over the weekend have all tested positive this week, two of them symptomatic. They're all teachers and all had their second shot in mid Feb., and I know her well enough to assume anyone she's out with socially is complying with mask mandates (though they went for dinner & drinks so obviously not masked all the time).

 

[dvcgirl67]

And vaccines dont seem to making a heck of a lot of difference. A friend shared today that she and three friends she was out with over the weekend have all tested positive this week, two of them symptomatic. They're all teachers and all had their second shot in mid Feb., and I know her well enough to assume anyone she's out with socially is complying with mask mandates (though they went for dinner & drinks so obviously not masked all the time).

Wow...really? That's a pretty insane....50% of that group have tested positive....2 months post second Covid shot? I hope they reported that to local health department....who hopefully reports up the chain to the CDC.

Sorry...edited to add that I misread....*all* tested positive....50% symptomatic. That's crazy.

 

[anniemae]

And vaccines dont seem to making a heck of a lot of difference. A friend shared today that she and three friends she was out with over the weekend have all tested positive this week, two of them symptomatic. They're all teachers and all had their second shot in mid Feb., and I know her well enough to assume anyone she's out with socially is complying with mask mandates (though they went for dinner & drinks so obviously not masked all the time).

Wow that is not good. I am now very scared to get the vaccine with everything going on. I mean is it even going to get us out of this mess?

 

[RamblingMad]

Wow that is not good. I am now very scared to get the vaccine with everything going on. I mean is it even going to get us out of this mess?

Only if enough people get it.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Wow that is not good. I am now very scared to get the vaccine with everything going on. I mean is it even going to get us out of this mess?

Even with everything going on, I'd get one of the mRNA vaccines. It will give you a nice antibody boost that will almost certainly save your life if you happen to contract Covid.

 

[Katiebird]

Wow that is not good. I am now very scared to get the vaccine with everything going on. I mean is it even going to get us out of this mess?

Not getting it is definitely not going to get us out of it. unfortunately vaccines aren’t 100% though, especially if you’re in an environment with high spread and high exposure. It will help though, either by not getting infected or getting a milder case than without. Once enough people are vaccinated, it will absolutely also start to decrease spread, but we're just not at that level yet.

 

[anniemae]

Not getting it is definitely not going to get us out of it. unfortunately vaccines aren’t 100% though, especially if you’re in an environment with high spread and high exposure. It will help though, either by not getting infected or getting a milder case than without. Once enough people are vaccinated, it will absolutely also start to decrease spread, but we're just not at that level yet.

I was all scheduled for J&J but that was canceled due to the issues. Now I am going with Pfizer but I read it is not good with the variants. I will get it, but am just worried about all the side effects I keep reading about.

It just seemed we were on a good path a couple of months ago. People getting vaccinated, cases plummeting etc. Now it seems we are circling the drain again with J&J being pulled, cases rising, variants taking hold etc.

 

[Colleen27]

Wow...really? That's a pretty insane....50% of that group have tested positive....2 months post second Covid shot? I hope they reported that to local health department....who hopefully reports up the chain to the CDC.

Sorry...edited to add that I misread....*all* tested positive....50% symptomatic. That's crazy.

The four that tested positive weren't the whole group. There were at least two others in the pictures she posted over the weekend that she didn't say anything about, so either they haven't tested yet/haven't gotten results yet or tested negative. Apparently none of them are so sick that they're not teaching (their school district is fully remote), though, which is at least some small positive about the situation.

I'm sure they are working with the health department. Our HD has targeted vaccinated people who test positive for additional investigation, including genomic sequencing of their samples to analyze what role variants play and check-ins to gauge severity of post-vaccination illness.

Wow that is not good. I am now very scared to get the vaccine with everything going on. I mean is it even going to get us out of this mess?

It is the best chance we've got. Remember that my area has ridiculous rates of spread right now - we actually made the NYT, which is a real feat for a mostly rural Michigan county. Literally every restaurant in my community, from the upscale seafood place all the way down to the drive-thru-only McDs, has closed for deep cleaning & quarantines at some point in the last couple weeks because of employee cases. So we're bound to see more cases that evade the vaccine to some extent. But my friend and her teacher-friends are all dealing with asymptomatic quarantine or mild symptoms. Meanwhile, my personal count of acquaintances and friends-of-friends who have died in this surge is now up to 5, and they've all been unvaccinated or partially vaccinated women in their mid 30s to early 50s - the same age bracket as my friend and her group.

ETA a numerical value to "ridiculous spread" - 170 daily cases per 100K and a positivity rate around 30%, both easily the worst in the nation if not for a couple of our neighboring counties that are even worse.

 

[Pyotr]

I was all scheduled for J&J but that was canceled due to the issues. Now I am going with Pfizer but I read it is not good with the variants. I will get it, but am just worried about all the side effects I keep reading about.

It just seemed we were on a good path a couple of months ago. People getting vaccinated, cases plummeting etc. Now it seems we are circling the drain again with J&J being pulled, cases rising, variants taking hold etc.

That is nonsense. Pfizer is an excellent vaccine. It protects against all the ”scary variants.” According to the CDC, the lastest amount of breakthrough cases is .008%. I’ll take that any day.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-id...s-among-fully-vaccinated-patients-11618490232

 

[Colleen27]

I was all scheduled for J&J but that was canceled due to the issues. Now I am going with Pfizer but I read it is not good with the variants. I will get it, but am just worried about all the side effects I keep reading about.

The Pfizer side effects seem to be unpleasant but not serious, from what I've heard, read and experienced. I could have slept 24/7 for the first three days after my first dose and my daughter had about 36 hours of flu-like symptoms after her second, and that's about comparable to what I've been hearing others have experienced. I get my second shot next Thursday and cleared my schedule for Friday just in case, but I'm not overly concerned. In fact, I'm glad we got that one rather than J&J since both my daughter and I fit the demographic profile associated with the clotting issue.

 

[RamblingMad]

I was all scheduled for J&J but that was canceled due to the issues. Now I am going with Pfizer but I read it is not good with the variants. I will get it, but am just worried about all the side effects I keep reading about.

It just seemed we were on a good path a couple of months ago. People getting vaccinated, cases plummeting etc. Now it seems we are circling the drain again with J&J being pulled, cases rising, variants taking hold etc.

My side effects were: achy and sore for a couple of days and then lots of fatigue for about three days. Plan accordingly. My significant other had a low grade fever for about two days.

And yes, it's not as effective against variant, but it's better than no protection at all.

 

[Mango7100]

And vaccines dont seem to making a heck of a lot of difference. A friend shared today that she and three friends she was out with over the weekend have all tested positive this week, two of them symptomatic. They're all teachers and all had their second shot in mid Feb., and I know her well enough to assume anyone she's out with socially is complying with mask mandates (though they went for dinner & drinks so obviously not masked all the time).

Wow! That is troublesome. Hopefully the symptomatic people weren’t too bad. DH had a coworker and coworkers spouse test positive a month after their second vaccine. They both were pretty sick for 3-4 days and actually received the Regeneron therapy due to having risk factors. Though we know that no vaccine is 100% and breakthrough would happen, hearing stories makes it more real. Still glad I am fully vaccinated though

 

[dvcgirl67]

The four that tested positive weren't the whole group. There were at least two others in the pictures she posted over the weekend that she didn't say anything about, so either they haven't tested yet/haven't gotten results yet or tested negative. Apparently none of them are so sick that they're not teaching (their school district is fully remote), though, which is at least some small positive about the situation.

I'm sure they are working with the health department. Our HD has targeted vaccinated people who test positive for additional investigation, including genomic sequencing of their samples to analyze what role variants play and check-ins to gauge severity of post-vaccination illness.

Did the people who got tested only do so because two in their party became symptomatic? It's kind of troubling to me that there may be fully vaccinated people who are contracting Covid, and possibly transmitting it to others, unknowingly. Kind of "double unknowingly"....if that makes sense. They're vaccinated...and thinking..."I'm good to go".

Have we seen any experts weigh in on that? Whether fully vaccinated people who contract Covid can transmit the disease as easily as they would have pre-vaccination? I remember months back when we heard a lot about this virus mutating so slowly, that it was in effect a "stupid virus". I remember thinking..."phew, at least we have that going for us." I've seen several articles that state that scientists were wrong on that part....this isn't a stupid virus....or slow. Not at all.

 

[RamblingMad]

Did the people who got tested only do so because two in their party became symptomatic? It's kind of troubling to me that there may be fully vaccinated people who are contracting Covid, and possibly transmitting it to others, unknowingly. Kind of "double unknowingly"....if that makes sense. They're vaccinated...and thinking..."I'm good to go".

Have we seen any experts weigh in on that? Whether fully vaccinated people who contract Covid can transmit the disease as easily as they would have pre-vaccination? I remember months back when we heard a lot about this virus mutating so slowly, that it was in effect a "stupid virus". I remember thinking..."phew, at least we have that going for us." I've seen several articles that state that scientists were wrong on that part....this isn't a stupid virus....or slow. Not at all.

This is a pretty good write up. I'm looking for something more current to see what we have learned it was published.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...d-avoid-crowds-after-getting-the-covid-19-vac

 

[Colleen27]

Did the people who got tested only do so because two in their party became symptomatic? It's kind of troubling to me that there may be fully vaccinated people who are contracting Covid, and possibly transmitting it to others, unknowingly. Kind of "double unknowingly"....if that makes sense. They're vaccinated...and thinking..."I'm good to go".

Have we seen any experts weigh in on that? Whether fully vaccinated people who contract Covid can transmit the disease as easily as they would have pre-vaccination? I remember months back when we heard a lot about this virus mutating so slowly, that it was in effect a "stupid virus". I remember thinking..."phew, at least we have that going for us." I've seen several articles that state that scientists were wrong on that part....this isn't a stupid virus....or slow. Not at all.

Yep. One tested positive with mild symptoms on Monday; it sounds like loss of taste was the "red flag" that prompted her to seek testing. The rest decided to get tested just in case after the first came back positive. But since they were all out together, I think it was on Friday night, it is impossible to know whether one spread it to the others or if they were all exposed to someone outside of their group who was covid positive (and potentially even symptomatic, since people are back to playing "is it allergies or is it covid" again with the arrival of warmer weather).

I don't think we have a definitive conclusion yet about how likely vaccinated people are to amass enough of a viral load to support contagion, and from what I understand, that's an even more complicated and difficult to measure question than how often vaccinated people will test positive so it is likely to be a while yet before we have any certainty at all on that front.

 

[*DisneyDreamer]

And vaccines dont seem to making a heck of a lot of difference. A friend shared today that she and three friends she was out with over the weekend have all tested positive this week, two of them symptomatic. They're all teachers and all had their second shot in mid Feb., and I know her well enough to assume anyone she's out with socially is complying with mask mandates (though they went for dinner & drinks so obviously not masked all the time).

Well this sucks. We’re literally never getting out of this mess.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Well this sucks. We’re literally never getting out of this mess.

We're going to have to learn to live with it. What choice do we have? Those of us who choose to get vaccinated will be mostly protected against getting Covid, and if we do get it...from getting very ill from it. People who choose not to get vaccinated will put themselves and their loved ones at an increased risk. They're also going to make it so that we won't hit herd immunity and allow the virus to mutate and find pockets where it can surge...etc.

We'll need to pay attention to it, make sure we stay up to date on required boosters to keep us safe against the more dangerous variants that we have now, and the ones that will no doubt pop up in the months to come. And we need to hope that more and more treatment options become available for those of us who do contract it, possibly post-vaccination.

 

[jlwhitney]

We're going to have to learn to live with it. What choice do we have? Those of us who choose to get vaccinated will be mostly protected against getting Covid, and if we do get it...from getting very ill from it. People who choose not to get vaccinated will put themselves and their loved ones at an increased risk. They're also going to make it so that we won't hit herd immunity and allow the virus to mutate and find pockets where it can surge...etc.

We'll need to pay attention to it, make sure we stay up to date on required boosters to keep us safe against the more dangerous variants that we have now, and the ones that will no doubt pop up in the months to come. And we need to hope that more and more treatment options become available for those of us who do contract it, possibly post-vaccination.

We may never have herd immunity anyway even if most are vaccinated. And you would need the whole world to hit it to keep mutations down, which is basically impossible , also because it can jump to animal and mutate and jump back. We are at a point they need to discuss all the better treatments that are out there and ones that come, things that can help people know that if by chance they do get it (vaccinated or not) they have a strong change at recovering well.