CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[godisney14]

The why bother is even more strong here because many events here are happening now with out masks. Our county fair which gets packed is no masks required and starts beginning of April. There have been many festivals no masks, and guess what people pack in with no masks no problem.

But you're from the south, in one of the handful of states that have always been more risk-taking with this virus.

 

[godisney14]

There is zero doubt that for too long, we were WAY too optimistic...or just hoping against hope. This is probably the reason that the pessimists still get so much press now- it feels appropriate to listen to them now since they were right for so long.

Some, not all.

 

[anniemae]

Dr. Fauci has been on the news today talking about how we are at a plateau and it isn't good news. He is still concerned about the UK variant. Kind of freaking me out, but I also wonder if he is saying this because he is concerned about states easing restrictions too soon.


“The issue is that we are starting to plateau. That plateau is about 60,000 to 70,000 cases a day. When you have that much viral activity in a plateau, it almost invariably means that you are at risk of another spike,” Fauci said during a White House COVID-19 briefing Friday.

“Many countries in Europe have seen just that. They had a decrease in cases over a six-week period. They plateaued. And now, over the past week, they saw an increase in cases by 9 percent, something we desperately want to avoid,” he said.

 

[AvidDisReader]

Dr. Fauci has been on the news today talking about how we are at a plateau and it isn't good news. He is still concerned about the UK variant. Kind of freaking me out, but I also wonder if he is saying this because he is concerned about states easing restrictions too soon.


“The issue is that we are starting to plateau. That plateau is about 60,000 to 70,000 cases a day. When you have that much viral activity in a plateau, it almost invariably means that you are at risk of another spike,” Fauci said during a White House COVID-19 briefing Friday.

“Many countries in Europe have seen just that. They had a decrease in cases over a six-week period. They plateaued. And now, over the past week, they saw an increase in cases by 9 percent, something we desperately want to avoid,” he said.

Am I the only one who thinks it is time for Dr Fauci to retire. So we are to plateau at 60K to 70K, yet Sunday we only had 41K. The man has earned his nickname of Dr Doom. He was wrong at the beginning, wrong in the middle, what makes anyone think he is all of a sudden going to be correct. Talk about some one who loves the camera.

 

[snappy]

Am I the only one who thinks it is time for Dr Fauci to retire. So we are to plateau at 60K to 70K, yet Sunday we only had 41K. The man has earned his nickname of Dr Doom. He was wrong at the beginning, wrong in the middle, what makes anyone think he is all of a sudden going to be correct. Talk about some one who loves the camera.

Yes. I have begun avoiding Fauci and his comments. I just come to this thread to get enlightened.

 

[anniemae]

Am I the only one who thinks it is time for Dr Fauci to retire. So we are to plateau at 60K to 70K, yet Sunday we only had 41K. The man has earned his nickname of Dr Doom. He was wrong at the beginning, wrong in the middle, what makes anyone think he is all of a sudden going to be correct. Talk about some one who loves the camera.

I hope you are right. Many look to him as an expert and the voice of the pandemic. He has been vocal about states opening too soon so I hope he is just being overly cautious. I am so sick of the gloom and doom. Just give us some hope already. That's why I come to this thread!

 

[Colleen27]

Okay, but like, these vaccines prevent hospitalizations and deaths. I can't believe with how selfish Americans are, that this wouldn't be enough motivation. I don't care how much longer I need to wear a mask. I just don't want to suffer or die with this virus. The masks and resuming "normal" daily life are way down the list for me, personally. It's crazy to me that people are so blase about this virus and it's potential consequences (and the roulette wheel nature of it).

Fair enough, but the people who need to be convinced are those who are at relatively low risk of hospitalization or death. Most of the people I've heard express "why bother" sort of thoughts are in their 20s and 30s - a group that represents only a sliver of serious cases and deaths, and who has endured some of the most disruptive lifestyle changes as far as their social lives and leisure time. And yeah, people are generally more motivated by "what's in it for me" than by altruism and the greater good.

My son is happy to be vaccinated when he can not because of concern over the virus but because he's tired of using his sick time because someone else in the plant tested positive so he has to go home, get tested, and wait for the results before he can go back to work. My daughter is excited to be vaccinated (today!) not because she's worried about getting sick or even about getting loved ones sick, now that her grandparents are vaccine-eligible, but because she expects it to be necessary to travel overseas in the foreseeable future. My bonus son is one of those "why bother" types, and he's very much influenced by the messages he's hearing that the vaccine doesn't mean we can go back to concerts and nightclubs and being able to meet new people/date (which I'm sure us middle aged folks are happy to dismiss as frivolous, but is rather a big deal to a single 21yo man), so what's the point? But these are the age group that needs convincing, not the elderly or near-elderly for whom pandemic life is reasonably comfortable and for whom the risk of illness/death is high enough to be its own motivation.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Am I the only one who thinks it is time for Dr Fauci to retire. So we are to plateau at 60K to 70K, yet Sunday we only had 41K. The man has earned his nickname of Dr Doom. He was wrong at the beginning, wrong in the middle, what makes anyone think he is all of a sudden going to be correct. Talk about some one who loves the camera.

His comments go in one ear and out the other. He talks out of both sides of his mouth.

 

[Jonfw2]

Ohio is 50+ starting THIS THURSDAY.

 

[Jonfw2]

Dr. Fauci has been on the news today talking about how we are at a plateau and it isn't good news. He is still concerned about the UK variant. Kind of freaking me out, but I also wonder if he is saying this because he is concerned about states easing restrictions too soon.


“The issue is that we are starting to plateau. That plateau is about 60,000 to 70,000 cases a day. When you have that much viral activity in a plateau, it almost invariably means that you are at risk of another spike,” Fauci said during a White House COVID-19 briefing Friday.

“Many countries in Europe have seen just that. They had a decrease in cases over a six-week period. They plateaued. And now, over the past week, they saw an increase in cases by 9 percent, something we desperately want to avoid,” he said.

1. He’s factually wrong. We are still dropping.
2. Europe- aside from England- has done a horrible job rolling out the vaccines. Notice that England is not rising.

 

[Colleen27]

1. He’s factually wrong. We are still dropping.
2. Europe- aside from England- has done a horrible job rolling out the vaccines. Notice that England is not rising.

Yeah, I just had this conversation with a friend on FB who shared a long analysis about how we're actually teetering on the brink of the worst of the pandemic so far, and the author's entire argument was based on the premise that Italy is a leading indicator and the rest of the world will soon experience what is currently happening there... except their vaccination rate is 1/3 of ours and their cumulative case rate per capita is just a bit more than half of ours, so they have a LOT less people with immunity than we do. Extrapolating based on their experiences with the variants just doesn't hold up. But doom and gloom certainly does go viral - I've since seen 3 or 4 mutuals share the same post which concludes by predicting (I kid you not) as many as 500K cases per day in May.

 

[Jonfw2]

Yeah, I just had this conversation with a friend on FB who shared a long analysis about how we're actually teetering on the brink of the worst of the pandemic so far, and the author's entire argument was based on the premise that Italy is a leading indicator and the rest of the world will soon experience what is currently happening there... except their vaccination rate is 1/3 of ours and their cumulative case rate per capita is just a bit more than half of ours, so they have a LOT less people with immunity than we do. Extrapolating based on their experiences with the variants just doesn't hold up. But doom and gloom certainly does go viral - I've since seen 3 or 4 mutuals share the same post which concludes by predicting (I kid you not) as many as 500K cases per day in May.

It's mathematically impossible.

 

[DLgal]

Yeah, I just had this conversation with a friend on FB who shared a long analysis about how we're actually teetering on the brink of the worst of the pandemic so far, and the author's entire argument was based on the premise that Italy is a leading indicator and the rest of the world will soon experience what is currently happening there... except their vaccination rate is 1/3 of ours and their cumulative case rate per capita is just a bit more than half of ours, so they have a LOT less people with immunity than we do. Extrapolating based on their experiences with the variants just doesn't hold up. But doom and gloom certainly does go viral - I've since seen 3 or 4 mutuals share the same post which concludes by predicting (I kid you not) as many as 500K cases per day in May.

500k GLOBAL daily cases. Not US. Which is a very real possibility.

 

[anniemae]

Ohio is 50+ starting THIS THURSDAY.

Wow! Why are some states so slow and others are moving so quickly? It seems like some states are going by age and some are categorizing the phases according to jobs and health issues. Its so frustrating to see some states moving so fast and other states just can't get it together.

 

[Jonfw2]

Wow! Why are some states so slow and others are moving so quickly? It seems like some states are going by age and some are categorizing the phases according to jobs and health issues. Its so frustrating to see some states moving so fast and other states just can't get it together.

Totally agreed.

 

[DLgal]

Wow! Why are some states so slow and others are moving so quickly? It seems like some states are going by age and some are categorizing the phases according to jobs and health issues. Its so frustrating to see some states moving so fast and other states just can't get it together.

Some states are getting way more vaccine allocations than their populations would suggest they should. And within states, the same thing is happening at the county level. None of it makes any sense.

 

[Jonfw2]

One other awesome note on Ohio: deaths per day have plummeted from over 150 per day to less than 30. The state announced last week they will now only be reporting them twice a week due to the low numbers.

 

[Colleen27]

500k GLOBAL daily cases. Not US. Which is a very real possibility.

No, this whole thing was US-specific. From the post I'm talking about:

"So if the US follows EVERY other country that's seen B.1.1.7 reach 50% prevalence levels, then we should see cases plateau over the next couple of weeks (at unprecedented levels of 60,000 to 75,000 cases per day) and then start to rapidly rise beginning around the last week of March.

If we follow the normal pattern, then cases should peak by mid-to-late May at levels of around ~500k cases per day."

At this point, I think there's more 'dry tinder' for doomsday predictions than for the virus!

Wow! Why are some states so slow and others are moving so quickly? It seems like some states are going by age and some are categorizing the phases according to jobs and health issues. Its so frustrating to see some states moving so fast and other states just can't get it together.

Some states are getting way more vaccine allocations than their populations would suggest they should. And within states, the same thing is happening at the county level. None of it makes any sense.

Yeah, the allocation is a big part of the problem. And remember, just because a group is added to the eligible list doesn't mean there's enough vaccine for them - my state is forging right ahead through the groups, but my county hasn't added anyone new to the rolls of the vaccinated in 10ish days because Every. Single. Dose. allocated to the county and then some is needed for second doses for those who have already gotten the first (and second appointments are, in some cases, being postponed due to supply limitations). Our per-capita allotment is dismal compared to other parts of the state and 75 of Michigan's 80 counties have better vaccination rates, some as high as 2 or 2.5x ours. So it really doesn't matter that everyone over 50 is now eligible when we've still got people in assisted living on the waiting list locally. In last week's update, the director of the county health department urged people who are eligible in neighboring counties because of employment relationships to seek the vaccine there rather than waiting to try to get it here.

 

[DLgal]

No, this whole thing was US-specific. From the post I'm talking about:

"So if the US follows EVERY other country that's seen B.1.1.7 reach 50% prevalence levels, then we should see cases plateau over the next couple of weeks (at unprecedented levels of 60,000 to 75,000 cases per day) and then start to rapidly rise beginning around the last week of March.

If we follow the normal pattern, then cases should peak by mid-to-late May at levels of around ~500k cases per day."

At this point, I think there's more 'dry tinder' for doomsday predictions than for the virus!




Yeah, the allocation is a big part of the problem. And remember, just because a group is added to the eligible list doesn't mean there's enough vaccine for them - my state is forging right ahead through the groups, but my county hasn't added anyone new to the rolls of the vaccinated in 10ish days because Every. Single. Dose. allocated to the county and then some is needed for second doses for those who have already gotten the first (and second appointments are, in some cases, being postponed due to supply limitations). Our per-capita allotment is dismal compared to other parts of the state and 75 of Michigan's 80 counties have better vaccination rates, some as high as 2 or 2.5x ours. So it really doesn't matter that everyone over 50 is now eligible when we've still got people in assisted living on the waiting list locally. In last week's update, the director of the county health department urged people who are eligible in neighboring counties because of employment relationships to seek the vaccine there rather than waiting to try to get it here.

Since when us 60,000-70,000 daily US cases considered "unprecedented?"

I fell like that kind of post should raise so many red flags that the entire message should be disregarded.

 

[Pyotr]

Still no word on when I'll be eligible for the vaccine. I went to the FEMA site in Tampa with a co-worker last week. She is 52 so she was able to get the vaccine but I'm too young. Today the governor announced that starting next Monday the general population 60+ will be able to get vaccinated but no mention of LEOs or Firefighters.

I'll just patiently wait until its my turn. We've had a lot of officers get covid but I have somehow avoided it thus far.