CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

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My governor signed an official proclamation making today "COVID Memorial Day". Today is because it's one year ago that the first known case was found in the state.

On the one hand it's a way to remember and it was intended to be both a reflection and a gratitude towards the sacrifices and struggles all have gone through and the proclamation calls out specific groups too lending them a recognition. On the other hand I'm not sure how to even vocalize. Does this make people feel less encouraged, or more depressed especially if they are already hearing poor messages about how we dig ourselves out of this covid situation that we constantly live in? Or does it make them feel like a respectful reflection? I just don't know.

Bluntly said there are people out there who just don't wish to remember this pandemic and I know they aren't meaning they don't have the capabilities of viewing the lives lost or the sacrifices people made or the effects that are far reaching. For many it's just a coping mechanism to not be reminded of the time period this has all been.

And there have been other COVID Memorial Days I think March 1st was one that occurred unofficially through parts of the U.S. but this is an actual official proclamation that occurred.

And it's not the first time in the U.S. we've made official days to mark a remembrance towards an event either.

It's not that it bothers me though I just don't know my feelings on it yet.
 

I think part of their hesitancy is that there still a lot of questions, and these are some of the ones I ask myself. (To be clear, I'm getting shot up at the first chance, but how willing I am to go back to "normal" depends on these answers, all of which I don't think they know.)

1. Can the vaccinated spread it?

2. If you start saying the vaccinated can go maskless in public places, who's going to enforce that? How are you going to make sure that people aren't saying they're vaccinated when they aren't? We already have issues enforcing masks and that's an obvious thing to enforce. Who's going to be carding people, other than airlines and cruise ships and maybe your employer? Will the walmart? I doubt it. That opens up a can of worms that no one wants to deal with.

3. It's wonderful that the vaccines prevent death and hospitalization. But what about long covid? Do the vaccines prevent that? If I get a minor infection, is there still a chance that I'll end up with clotting issues, loss of taste and smell, brain fog, extreme exhaustion, diabetes, and all the other knownpossible issues/debilities months down the road? (This one alone is the one that's likely to keep me masking up and keeping my distance long after vaccine penetration is high. Until they know your odds of ending up disabled even if vaccinated, I still won't be willing to take too many chances of getting it.)

4. And then there are the questions around the variants, and with new ones popping up, they have to be careful how far they go in letting people think it's a free for all after being vaccinated. If they say sure, go buck wild and a variant turns up that doesn't respond to the vaccine, then how hard is it going to be to rein people back in? It's probably best to push things out slowly and test the waters as we go rather than having an "Oh, crud" moment and then trying to get people back into protocol behaviors. That's likely the hold up is how far to let people go now, knowing you'll likely never get them back in if this doesn't work as planned.
 
I think part of their hesitancy is that there still a lot of questions, and these are some of the ones I ask myself. (To be clear, I'm getting shot up at the first chance, but how willing I am to go back to "normal" depends on these answers, all of which I don't think they know.)

1. Can the vaccinated spread it?

2. If you start saying the vaccinated can go maskless in public places, who's going to enforce that? How are you going to make sure that people aren't saying they're vaccinated when they aren't? We already have issues enforcing masks and that's an obvious thing to enforce. Who's going to be carding people, other than airlines and cruise ships and maybe your employer? Will the walmart? I doubt it. That opens up a can of worms that no one wants to deal with.

3. It's wonderful that the vaccines prevent death and hospitalization. But what about long covid? Do the vaccines prevent that? If I get a minor infection, is there still a chance that I'll end up with clotting issues, loss of taste and smell, brain fog, extreme exhaustion, diabetes, and all the other knownpossible issues/debilities months down the road? (This one alone is the one that's likely to keep me masking up and keeping my distance long after vaccine penetration is high. Until they know your odds of ending up disabled even if vaccinated, I still won't be willing to take too many chances of getting it.)

4. And then there are the questions around the variants, and with new ones popping up, they have to be careful how far they go in letting people think it's a free for all after being vaccinated. If they say sure, go buck wild and a variant turns up that doesn't respond to the vaccine, then how hard is it going to be to rein people back in? It's probably best to push things out slowly and test the waters as we go rather than having an "Oh, crud" moment and then trying to get people back into protocol behaviors. That's likely the hold up is how far to let people go now, knowing you'll likely never get them back in if this doesn't work as planned.

1. Theoretically, yes. But actual studies have now shown a dramatic reduction in the potential for this.

2. There will be and already are "vaccine cards" coming. Google "Excelsior". This is being used in NY as we speak.

3. The "long hauler" issues are incredibly rare and I don't know if I've ever heard of anyone with a minor case getting long term effects.

4. Yes. The variants. There is still no evidence anywhere that the variants have caused an upswing in numbers anywhere. And as of now, the vaccines are all effective against all known variants.
 
There is a poster on the Boards that had a mild case and does still have effects. Mild is used for a wide range of outcomes and effects from covid which is normal for that to be the case in terms of description.

Just to make sure people understand. Mild doesn't mean you barely experienced anything and mild doesn't mean you don't have lasting effects, fatigue being the more common one I've seen though fog brain is also one I've seen crop up. Most people do experience mild symptoms, that does not mean they don't have lasting effects.
 
If they don't then they will unintentionally prevent tens of millions of Americans from being vaccinated.
A fair point. Plus don't say you're going to release guidance on what vaccinated people can do for a specific day and then don't do it. There a confidence level that keeps slipping away here.
 
The variant talk is still very loud here. I don’t know that there is anything coming from the conversation, but the news stories still appear.

Here too, because we've had a relatively large number of cases of the UK variant and they've been associated with a major university and with a prison outbreak, so both settings that are highly conducive to spread. And maybe it is making a difference, to the degree that our numbers are now mostly flat rather than in freefall, but it certainly hasn't come close to the doomsday forecasts we were hearing weeks ago when the variant was first found here.
 
Here too, because we've had a relatively large number of cases of the UK variant and they've been associated with a major university and with a prison outbreak, so both settings that are highly conducive to spread. And maybe it is making a difference, to the degree that our numbers are now mostly flat rather than in freefall, but it certainly hasn't come close to the doomsday forecasts we were hearing weeks ago when the variant was first found here.
And to be clear, overall numbers are still falling in the US.
 
And to be clear, overall numbers are still falling in the US.

Some people don’t seem to want to believe that fact for some reason. Numbers are dropping as fast as they claimed the variants were suppose to increase cases. I’m really suspecting between vaccines and natural infection we are much closer to a form of hers immunity , which true herd Immunity may never happen if it ends up endemic .
 
Today's 41,967 cases are the lowest since 10/5, and down a massive 21% from last Sunday's 53,000. 7 day moving avg falls again to 59,777.

Cases on Sundays in 2021:

1/3: 201,000
1/10: 221,000
1/17: 177,000
1/24: 143,000
1/31: 111,000
2/7: 91,000
2/14: 66,000
2/21: 58,000
2/28: 59,000
3/7: 41,000

By now the variants were said to be exploding, but the downward trends are absolutely undeniable and continuous.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
 
Today's 41,967 cases are the lowest since 10/5, and down a massive 21% from last Sunday's 53,000. 7 day moving avg falls again to 59,777.

Cases on Sundays in 2021:

1/3: 201,000
1/10: 221,000
1/17: 177,000
1/24: 143,000
1/31: 111,000
2/7: 91,000
2/14: 66,000
2/21: 58,000
2/28: 59,000
3/7: 41,000

By now the variants were said to be exploding, but the downward trends are absolutely undeniable and continuous.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I really don’t see the variants causing an issue even though news is back to the doom and gloom of them.
Is there any reason to be worried about the world trends going back up? I haven’t followed most of the world Lately.
 
I really don’t see the variants causing an issue even though news is back to the doom and gloom of them.
Is there any reason to be worried about the world trends going back up? I haven’t followed most of the world Lately.

Yes, there is- the EU is far behind on vaccinations and Brazil doesn't seem interested in doing literally anything to stop the spread with mitigation efforts.
 
News today.....experts say the US is on the verge of another that could come in the next 6 to 14 weeks....I can't help but laugh. Vaccines are increasing daily and more and more natural infection also. It like they don't want admit they have been wrong.
 
News today.....experts say the US is on the verge of another that could come in the next 6 to 14 weeks....I can't help but laugh. Vaccines are increasing daily and more and more natural infection also. It like they don't want admit they have been wrong.

There is just no math on the planet that supports that concern. Literally the only fear would be a brand new variant that the vaccines and prior immunity are entirely unresponsive to.
 
News today.....experts say the US is on the verge of another that could come in the next 6 to 14 weeks....I can't help but laugh. Vaccines are increasing daily and more and more natural infection also. It like they don't want admit they have been wrong.
It’s starting to get comical. We did 5.3 million vaccines this weekend. At that rate we’ll do 111million in 6 weeks -1/3 of Americans. Even if that was all only the first shot of the ones requiring 2 shots (and it won’t be) adding that to the ones who’ve already been vaccinated, I can’t help but wonder who is going to be involved in this great surge.
Nevermind that’s it’s been the SAME timeframe since the end of January. And we’re now 6 weeks from the first time I heard that claim.
 
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