CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[mom2rtk]

I think we read the same article (though I also read almost carbon-copy pieces in Nat Geo and The Atlantic, and caught a headline from WaPo that sounded similar but that I didn't read because of paywall). I get that the idea behind all these experts hitting the media circuit hard with the negative projections is to discourage the public from dropping precautions prematurely but I think the negativity of the messaging is backfiring as far as vaccine acceptance goes. Because even if you think there's only a very small risk to the vaccine, if there is no anticipated reward whatsoever in terms of increased socialization or decreased stress, that small perceived risk might be what tips the scales.

I truly believe messaging with a more moderate attitude balancing the need for continued masking with benefits like being able to go back into a restaurant or out to a movie, with precautions but without fear, would be more persuasive than all of the negativity we're being bombarded with right now.



I think if they were only stressing the need for continued public masking, it wouldn't be a big deal. I think the problem comes in with pieces like the one Pyotr and I saw on CNN saying that two vaccinated people should be okay to have a masked, distanced visit but don't you dare think about hugging your grandkid or going out to dinner just because you've had both doses. That level of pessimism is what I see/hear fueling "why bother" attitudes about the vaccine, even in some of the older and higher risk people I know.

I believe this has been a critical misstep with their messaging. Not an issue yet as demand was always going to outstrip supply for a while, but we will reach a point where demand slows and the price of this mistake becomes quite evident.

 

[Jonfw2]

I believe this has been a critical misstep with their messaging. Not an issue yet as demand was always going to outstrip supply for a while, but we will reach a point where demand slows and the price of this mistake becomes quite evident.

And for the folks here who believe in the science, I absolutely agree. And the science says once you’re fully vaccinated, you can hug your grandkids.

 

[TLSnell1981]

And for the folks here who believe in the science, I absolutely agree. And the science says once you’re fully vaccinated, you can hug your grandkids.

I never stopped hugging mine. Everyday is a gift...the future isn't promised. May be because I've suffered much loss in the last few years and I'm not taking anything for granted.

 

[rjb123]

And for the folks here who believe in the science, I absolutely agree. And the science says once you’re fully vaccinated, you can hug your grandkids.

Yep. IMO once my DH and I get our second shots, we are getting together with family again (our parents have all been fully vaxed). We still will have to be cautious because our high risk child is not yet old enough for the vax, but with rates going down the way they are, we will still be able to loosen our own personal restrictions in a significant way. Im not buying this nonsense they are selling about forever masking/ distancing. In the near future EVERYONE will have access to the vaccine and from that point onward it is a CHOICE to not protect yourself. It is no longer our duty to protect those who won't use readily available protection.

 

[jlwhitney]

I never stopped hugging mine. Everyday is a gift...the future isn't promised. May be I've suffered much loss in the last few years and I'm not taking anything for granted.

we never stopped seeing my husbands parents and grand parents , and friends also

everyday is a gift

 

[DLgal]

The same thing is happening in California. People are leaving for Texas.

Let's see how many of those people who left CA for Texas stay in Texas after what just happened there last week. The grass is always greener until you realize the reality doesn't match up to the fantasy.

The real estate market in CA is worse than ever. It's absolutely insane how quickly houses are selling for, and how high over asking price people are willing to offer. And it's not because people are leaving the state.

 

[DLgal]

And for the folks here who believe in the science, I absolutely agree. And the science says once you’re fully vaccinated, you can hug your grandkids.

My parents have now been fully vaccinated as has my mother in law. We are already making plans for them to fly over and visit this summer. By then, I am sure I will have been vaccinated as well as my oldest son. My husband was done last Monday. We aren't going to worry about masks and distancing anymore once we are all vaccinated.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Let's see how many of those people who left CA for Texas stay in Texas after what just happened there last week. The grass is always greener until you realize the reality doesn't match up to the fantasy.

The real estate market in CA is worse than ever. It's absolutely insane how quickly houses are selling for, and how high over asking price people are willing to offer. And it's not because people are leaving the state.

Once in a lifetime occurrence with the snow storms. Cali has earthquakes and a very high cost of living.

 

[snappy]

Also Texas and Florida have no state income tax. That tips the scales for some people.

 

[DLgal]

Once in a lifetime occurrence with the snow storms. Cali has earthquakes and a very high cost of living.

Yeah, been living in CA since 1994. Number of earthquakes that have affected me in any real way=0.

 

[DLgal]

Also Texas and Florida have no state income tax. That tips the scales for some people.

But how about those energy prices, huh? Or the insane prices for insurance and property tax. States get their money one way or another.

 

[snappy]

But how about those energy prices, huh? Or the insane prices for insurance and property tax. States get their money one way or another.

Are property tax, insurance and for that matter real estate prices low in California? My dad, my sister and I were all born in Texas, and many of my Dad’s relatives are still living in the state, along with one of my brothers. I have owned an interest in more than one piece of commercial property there as well. I may be a little biased.

 

[DLgal]

Are property tax, tax and for that matter real estate low in California?

Nope, but you get what you pay for here. Quality of life is great!

As my favorite TV matron Lucille Bluth said "I'd rather be dead in California than alive in Arizona."

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Nope, but you get what you pay for here. Quality of life is great!

As my favorite TV matron Lucille Bluth said "I'd rather be dead in California than alive in Arizona."

Yeah but a lot of places can be like that. Remember the conversation before, CA isn't the only place with higher than expected taxes and good services. My city just released documents from their annual city satisfaction survey. We were the number one overall out of the entire metro for the 8th year in a row. Not only that but this is what the city said: "FIRST in the nation in two out of three categories - quality of customer service received and overall quality of services! We were 1.3% away from the nation's top score in value received for your tax dollars!"

This brings me to the comment I was typing while I saw your other comment:

The grass is always greener until you realize the reality doesn't match up to the fantasy.

I think this applies to so many places truly.

I heard from various people I knew throughout high school and early 20s who just moaned and groaned living where we do, they felt bored, trapped, wanted to get away from drama (that looking at it they largely caused), etc. Of those who moved away most moved back. I knew someone who oh a good 8 or so years ago was looking at TX (and that's a coincidence to the ongoing conversation) but ended up staying here. I asked him last year if he would ever live elsewhere and he said "nope I could pick anywhere and I chose to stay here". My husband's old co-worker (who is now just his golfing buddy) him and his wife are from Washington and Idaho. They moved here for work. About 2 years ago they decided to move back to Washington looking for different opportunities in the home inspection business (that the husband does with the wife able to be fully remote) though they ended up in Idaho close to the Washington border. It was only 9 months later that we heard they were desperate to get back to our metro. They missed it so much even though they had grown up in the NW.

That's not to say some moves haven't been for the best for people opening up totally new doors.

I love living where I live despite feeling taxed out, you love living where you live. At the end of the day people, IF they can, should feel like they can relocate to places that best suit them. But yes that "grass is always greener" may come knocking.

 

[TLSnell1981]

But how about those energy prices, huh? Or the insane prices for insurance and property tax. States get their money one way or another.

Both are beautiful states albeit different. Although it costs way less to live in Texas than Cali.

 

[snappy]

Beautiful places both. Different cities in the same state even are wildly different, all good places both to live and just visit.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Beautiful places both. Different cities in the same state even are wildly different, all good places both to live and just visit.

I always have a good hair day in California. Not so much in Texas.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Nope, but you get what you pay for here. Quality of life is great!

As my favorite TV matron Lucille Bluth said "I'd rather be dead in California than alive in Arizona."

Ha...very true. I have lived in California, Florida and in my native New Jersey. California had the best weather, hands down. We lived in Sunnyvale, and the day and weekend trips alone were amazing from that starting point. If we could have convinced our family to move to California....we'd still be there. I wouldn't mind spending winters in Florida, preferably somewhere in the Florida Keys so we could just be on the water, but I wouldn't live in Florida full-time. The summers were just brutal.

 

[AvidDisReader]

My problem with all of this is we were all told that our governments will follow the SCIENCE. How is it the science is different in Ca than Fl, or Tx, or Ill, or NY, or Mi, or Oh???? It is the total lack of consistantcy that is driving everyone Crazy. That is driving normally very smart people to saying I will never take a vaccine, or saying no matter what we should always wear masks. The leaders of our country (BOTH parties) are to fault for this. In the past, during a crisis this country would come together for a common goal. Writing that last line I was in disgust at how things have turned out.

 

[Jonfw2]

A new study out today from Sweden shows that after ONE dose of Pfizer or Astra Zeneca, they have seen a drop in hospitalizations of between 85-94%.