CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[mousefan73]

New York has the same population and is worse in every category.

Yeah but they like Italy got hit by a Tsunami of cases, at the beginning. One must also keep in mind on one simple fact on how NYC and Italy differs to FL... Far less multigenerational housing... Made a HUGE difference on how the older were affected at the beginning.

 

[mousefan73]

I don’t even blame the government. I blame the citizens. Way too many people here don’t like being told what to do so they don’t do it.

The weird thing for me is supporters of the former president being so anti-vax. They usually follow him like disciples but on this one thing, they diverge???

Because their " news" sources just happen to be pounding the vaxx misinformation drum... VERY loud.. Scary when one goes on the online forums... Its a general cant trust the goverment thing...

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Florida’s is so behind in this. My son is in the medically fragile group and can’t source a vaccine anywhere, there are several websites and numbers to keep track of. It’s frustrating.

Both of my young nephews in NJ have been vacinnated already as essential employees (on earth in banking, the other in transportation) Andy I still get my compromised son an appointment in florid.

I agree with another poster. I mentioned on another thread and this one in the past there are multiple strategies going on with respects to vaccine eligibility from hospitalizations to deaths to critical to society in terms of occupation to spread. It doesn't mean one state is behind another just because xyz isn't occurring. Each state needs to figure out what is best for their situation and most are trying to employ multiple strategies with scarce vaccine supply at the moment. I think the concentration on a lot of this stuff is more because the supply is so low there's just not enough to go around. I really don't think there would be as much concentration over who is getting what and when if supply was so plentiful you wouldn't even have time to think about it.

In my state those with medical conditions are broken up into Phase 3 and Phase 4 based on just what the medical condition is. Presently we're on Phase 2.

 

[Mango7100]

Florida’s is so behind in this. My son is in the medically fragile group and can’t source a vaccine anywhere, there are several websites and numbers to keep track of. It’s frustrating.

Both of my young nephews in NJ have been vacinnated already as essential employees (on earth in banking, the other in transportation) Andy I still get my compromised son an appointment in florid.

You’re not behind. TN is only on 70 and up and health care. A few rural counties have started 1b (teachers). those with high risk conditions that are less than 65 are 1c here. I personally think the age thing is arbitrary when it comes to medical conditions...I think if you have certain risk factors you should be eligible now. So here a 70 year old that runs marathons can get vaccinated but a 68 year old with cancer or a 40 year old with cystic fibrosis cannot.

 

[Colleen27]

Yeah but they like Italy got hit by a Tsunami of cases, at the beginning. One must also keep in mind on one simple fact on how NYC and Italy differs to FL... Far less multigenerational housing... Made a HUGE difference on how the older were affected at the beginning.

Yeah, it is pretty well established now that the states that got hit hard early did worse than those that got hit later... but is that really surprising, given the difference in the amount of information they had to work with? FL and other states that saw their first big spike over the summer had the advantage of the lessons learned in NY and other states that saw spring spikes and weren't navigating blind the way the first states were.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Yeah, it is pretty well established now that the states that got hit hard early did worse than those that got hit later... but is that really surprising, given the difference in the amount of information they had to work with? FL and other states that saw their first big spike over the summer had the advantage of the lessons learned in NY and other states that saw spring spikes and weren't navigating blind the way the first states were.

This is very true. I guess the first U.S. states hit very hard had the advantage of watching what was happening in Italy. China as well, but a lot of the info there was censored and we didn't find out much until we were already hit very hard. I remember watching what was happening in Italy, especially in early March before we went into lockdown here. Doctors there were warning doctors over here to get ready, and sharing techniques, etc.

And what mousefan73 said about the multigenerational housing situations in Italy and NYC really does explain how they were similarly hit so hard. Same for parts of Miami, and Southern California as well.

 

[Jonfw2]

This is amazing: in Israel, POINT one percent of the vaccinated have gotten Covid. And they've had zero deaths or severe cases.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hmo-s...tions-among-523000-fully-vaccinated-israelis/

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

This is very true. I guess the first U.S. states hit very hard had the advantage of watching what was happening in Italy. China as well, but a lot of the info there was censored and we didn't find out much until we were already hit very hard. I remember watching what was happening in Italy, especially in early March before we went into lockdown here. Doctors there were warning doctors over here to get ready, and sharing techniques, etc.

And what mousefan73 said about the multigenerational housing situations in Italy and NYC really does explain how they were similarly hit so hard. Same for parts of Miami, and Southern California as well.

I’d say the multigenerational households as well as multi-family households applies to almost all of California. Especially up north after the last few years of wildfires. It’s definitely played a huge part in the number of cases my county has in N. California.

 

[tarheelmjfan]

Yeah, it is pretty well established now that the states that got hit hard early did worse than those that got hit later... but is that really surprising, given the difference in the amount of information they had to work with? FL and other states that saw their first big spike over the summer had the advantage of the lessons learned in NY and other states that saw spring spikes and weren't navigating blind the way the first states were.

I agree. NYC was hit first & hit hard. Not only are people there packed in like sardines, they also all use public transit. That's a recipe for disaster, when dealing with a highly contagious virus. As you said, they were also working with little knowledge on how to treat the virus. There's no doubt that states that were hit later benefitted from the knowledge they shared. I really don't understand why people keep using New York as a comparison to support how well other states are doing. NYC simply isn't comparable to the rest of the country. It's not even comparable to the rest of NY.

 

[Pyotr]

Another positive news article.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-israel-vaccine-idUSKBN2AE0Q2

 

[Jonfw2]

US today under 65,000 cases for the first time since October.

 

[jlwhitney]

US today under 65,000 cases for the first time since October.

And deaths is one of the lowest in a very long time also!

 

[amylevan]

Legitimate, question...what is causing the fall? It can’t be vaccines yet. I’ve heard some say it’s a post-holidays fall, but my state Pennsylvania had its high back in mid-December and nothing has changed. (We had no indoor dining for like 2 weeks at the end of December) but nothing else is different since last summer? So what exactly is causing the fall?

 

[Joe in VA]

To add to this,

Cases over Sundays:

1/10: 221,000
1/17: 177,000
1/24: 142,000
1/31: 111,000
2/7: 91,000
2/14: 64,000

 

[DLgal]

US today under 65,000 cases for the first time since October.

Lots of health departments aren't reporting daily this weekend due to the holiday.

 

[Colleen27]

Legitimate, question...what is causing the fall? It can’t be vaccines yet. I’ve heard some say it’s a post-holidays fall, but my state Pennsylvania had its high back in mid-December and nothing has changed. (We had no indoor dining for like 2 weeks at the end of December) but nothing else is different since last summer? So what exactly is causing the fall?

A while back, I think on this thread, I posted two images side by side... the case count as of that point (last month) in this pandemic, and a graph of the 1918 pandemic. The shape of the curve is very similar between the two, which suggests to me that we're reaching a point in the pandemic where it is starting to find fewer vulnerable people and that is limiting spread. Like you said, the vaccine is only a small part of that right now; the bigger part is likely the number of infections, particularly the number of *unidentified* infections, which reduces the number of people who are entirely vulnerable to the virus. Even if natural immunity is imperfect, it is still better than being entirely naïve... which is where we were at this time last year.

Now, in the 1918 pandemic, there was a less severe third peak in the chart. Hopefully vaccination will let us avoid that with this virus. But the first year of this pandemic and the first year of that one have a remarkably similar shape, which suggests to me that the downslope we're seeing is nature taking its course.

 

[Jonfw2]

Lots of health departments aren't reporting daily this weekend due to the holiday.

Understood. But we’ve had holiday weekends during this stretch and not seen the numbers drop nearly this far.

 

[Jonfw2]

Legitimate, question...what is causing the fall? It can’t be vaccines yet. I’ve heard some say it’s a post-holidays fall, but my state Pennsylvania had its high back in mid-December and nothing has changed. (We had no indoor dining for like 2 weeks at the end of December) but nothing else is different since last summer? So what exactly is causing the fall?

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I think it’s a big combination of things. Colleen’s point is absolutely correct that this is how these things go naturally.

Additionally, I think part of it is human nature: when the numbers spike, people naturally get more cautious and start following the rules better. And look, if we have 30 million people diagnosed, we probably have 60 million or more with antibodies. And now another 35 million people with at least one vaccine dose— and you’re left with just less people able to get it.

 

[wenrob]

Legitimate, question...what is causing the fall? It can’t be vaccines yet. I’ve heard some say it’s a post-holidays fall, but my state Pennsylvania had its high back in mid-December and nothing has changed. (We had no indoor dining for like 2 weeks at the end of December) but nothing else is different since last summer? So what exactly is causing the fall?

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My DD is convinced it’s because people are getting tested less. She gave examples of people she knows who tested positive and then others in the household came down with it but did not test because they figure that’s what it is. But I’m pretty sure that was already happening and I can’t see it accounting for such a huge drop. I think she’s afraid to get her hopes up that we could possibly be turning the corner. I know I get that way, it’s kind of hard not to sometimes.

 

[jlwhitney]

My DD is convinced it’s because people are getting tested less. She gave examples of people she knows who tested positive and then others in the household came down with it but did not test because they figure that’s what it is. But I’m pretty sure that was already happening and I can’t see it accounting for such a huge drop. I think she’s afraid to get her hopes up that we could possibly be turning the corner. I know I get that way, it’s kind of hard not to sometimes.

I don’t know that people are testing less but many areas did change the threshold for the pcr for defines a positive. But I am mostly with Colleen and that it’s nature taking it’s course was gonna happen one way or another.