CBS Documentary on 1976 Swine Flu with Dan Rather

["Got Disney"]

This is interesting and sounds way to familiar. I know many have decided not to get the vaccine and many have.....but saw this CBS documentary and found it to be like way to familiar....mostly from when this flu first resurfaced a few months ago....and all the panic from the media hit us and scarred us half to death.....

watch both parts....it just gets better as it goes on. Yes this is from 1976...no I did not get the vaccine back than and dont remember how many people I knew got the virus or the vaccine....was in nursing school training in the Hospital and at that time it was not mandatory. I cant even tell you if I got the virus....dont remember....could have and have some immunity to it all ready

When watching this tape makes me wonder how much things have not really changed since 1976. Still today, Some are aware of the complications of the shot, some are not, and some care and some feel the risks of the shot out way the risks from the flu....but to be fair all vaccines come with a risk and some will get ill from the vaccine and some will die that dont get it. As with all meds safe for some not for others. Sure wish we could just look into the future and have all the answers.

I am not posting this to scare anyone away from it,. Matter of fact I am checking out some clinics for a friend to see when they will be getting it because her daughter is hearing impaired and wants her to get it as soon as possible.

At this time I have no plans on getting it however will watch as time progresses and if it seems like all hell is breaking loose than I will. Meanwhile we are strengthening our immune system. By the time we get the vaccine for all we will have a better look at how this is going to progress.

For those that are waiting for it...hope it comes to you soon....for those that are not, be sure to keep eyes and ears open and build up your immunity.

By the way i have Epilepsy and found this on a board called Coping with Epilepsy....wanted to see what some fellow epileptics were thinking about the whole thing and what they were planning on doing.


CBS Documentary on 1976 Swine Flu with Dan Rather

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_9I1L_P370


Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPVsZEPfo7Q&feature=related

 

[TexasErin]

My mother got the shot in the 70's. She has rheumatoid arthritis- which does not run in our family. She's always wondered if maybe the swine flu somehow caused it

 

[Geoff_M]

I am not posting this to scare anyone away from it...

No of course you're not...

OK, here's a couple of great videos from the scientist with a background virology that talks about the importance of understanding correlation vs. causation in medicine, specifically regarding vaccines.

Correlation vs. Causation, Part 1

Correlation vs. Causation, Part 2

The Dose Makes The Poison, Part 1

The Dose Makes The Poison, Part 2

 

["Got Disney"]

No of course you're not...

OK, here's a couple of great videos from the doctor that talks about the importance of understanding correlation vs. causation in medicine, specifically regarding vaccines.

Correlation vs. Causation, Part 1

Correlation vs. Causation, Part 2

The Dose Makes The Poison, Part 1

The Dose Makes The Poison, Part 2

I'm not....both sides for one are important and I just found this interesting.....I know you are backing what the CDC has to say so you may find it offensive. That is fine and welcome any input you want to bring forward.

And the videos on a interview I posted are with the CDC back in 1976 interviewed by Dan Rather......not sure where you above videos fit in.

 

[C.Ann]

I was an adult - with 3 children back then.. I don't remember it being a big issue, but then again it didn't act the same way as the current H1N1 virus..

I don't think you can really compare that situation to what we are facing right now..

Either way, we have all decided to get the shots when they become available.. As a child I learned a valuable lesson when my parents decided we didn't need the polio shots - until my sister got polio.. I'd rather take the miniscule risks associated with the vaccine..

 

[Tantor]

I was an adult - with 3 children back then.. I don't remember it being a big issue, but then again it didn't act the same way as the current H1N1 virus..

I don't think you can really compare that situation to what we are facing right now..

Either way, we have all decided to get the shots when they become available.. As a child I learned a valuable lesson when my parents decided we didn't need the polio shots - until my sister got polio.. I'd rather take the miniscule risks associated with the vaccine..

 

["Got Disney"]

I was an adult - with 3 children back then.. I don't remember it being a big issue, but then again it didn't act the same way as the current H1N1 virus..

I don't think you can really compare that situation to what we are facing right now..

Either way, we have all decided to get the shots when they become available.. As a child I learned a valuable lesson when my parents decided we didn't need the polio shots - until my sister got polio.. I'd rather take the miniscule risks associated with the vaccine..

I did not post this link to compare getting it or not getting it...or the problems with the Syndromes involved in it....I posted the link because of the way the CDC is acting now and the media and the GOV are acting the same way they did on 1976.

I found these videos to be as if we are back 30 years ago.....still dancing the same ole dance.

So tell me....you say that the situation is different today? what do you see that I may not? or know what I may not?

We have been put into a "State Of Emergency" by our GOV.....just as back than.....

I feel that anyone that wants to get the vaccine should....and as soon as possible so to have peace of mind that they feel safe....just as those that dont want to dont , to have there own peace of mind to feel safe. Neither is wrong.

I am still weighing it out.....I am also on high alert.....taking in both points of views. Got a call last night from another Doctor...one from down the street...he is on a mandatory call...but he said since he is going to be exposed he would have gotten it anyway....his wife is still on the fence. Another Nurse fried that she will most definitely be getting it, mandatory or not, and we should also.

The Doctor has done lots of research on it. My nurse friend she said has done none. I will be adding them to my list of yeses and no's that are in the medical profession and weighing them carefully.

Matter of fact I may have my one son with slight Asthma that gets sick all the time go have it today. I will let you know on that.

So again this video was more about our GOV and the CDC than anything.....I am not a fan of any of our representatives this year...Dems or Rep and have little faith in what they have to say. Mostly on an issue this important. so I will rely on friends in the medical profession that I know have read the info...unlike our representatives that seem to read nothing.

 

[N.Bailey]

We've decided against getting the vaccine. Honestly, I think we've all already had the swine flu, so I see no real reason to put my family thru even the smallest risk at this point.

I have never taken a normal flu shot, either. My daughter received one last year, but aside from that, no one in my family has ever had one of those either.

The bottom line right now is, the death toll is only a small fraction of a single percent, and that's using the available numbers, we know there are millions more cases that unaccounted for. The seasonal flu kills more people each and every year than what we're seeing with this swine strain (again, only using current numbers which are VERY low). If you know someone who lost a loved one, or if you have lost one of your loved ones, I realize that's 1 too many, but going by the statistics alone, our odds of survival are very high if we come down sick with the virus.

We don't know what the repercussions might be with the vaccine. Maybe nothing, but it too is a risk.

Now, if this strain mutates with the Asian avian strain (H5N1), I might rethink that decision. That's hovering at around a 66% mortality rate.

 

[C.Ann]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";34131290]
So tell me....you say that the situation is different today? what do you see that I may not? or know what I may not? .[/QUOTE]

The manner in which this virus is attacking people.. The "target" population; the pediatric deaths; etc..

As I said, I had 3 children at that time and if in any way it was presented as something as serious as what we're facing now, they would have been vaccinated.. In that respect it was "different"..

How the government and CDC is handling it - and whether you agree with that or not - is a different matter..

 

[Geoff_M]

I posted the link because of the way the CDC is acting now and the media and the GOV are acting the same way they did on 1976.

No not really... there's one very key difference between 1976 and now: in 1976 there was no Swine Flu pandemic... it basically never made it out of the gates of Ft. Dix, NJ. The vaccination program in 1976 was purely a prophylactic one. In retrospect, the program was a bad idea even if reported cases of GBS hadn't occur as all vaccines carry some risk. The same argument was used to stop the idea of starting a proposed national Small Pox vaccination program in 2002 when the fears of bio-terrorism was high.

But, unlike 1976, the H1N1 outbreak of 2009 is very real, and it's killing people. It's also worth noting that experts at the CDC agree that if the feared outbreak of 1976 had actually happened, the vaccination program of 1976 would have not been halted even with the reactions as a 1:100,000 chance of GSB (from which most people recovered), would have still been less riskier than the mortality risk from the flu itself.

And the videos on a interview I posted are with the CDC back in 1976 interviewed by Dan Rather......not sure where you above videos fit in.

The videos fit in because that when the final analysis was done long after the 60 Minutes cameras stopped rolling, the actual rate of GBS cases in those vaccinated was only marginally higher than in the general population. Most of the "scare" was due to the fact that people assumed, as the video mention, "Correlation = Causation".

 

[kpm76]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";34131290]So again this video was more about our GOV and the CDC than anything.....I am not a fan of any of our representatives this year...Dems or Rep and have little faith in what they have to say. Mostly on an issue this important. so I will rely on friends in the medical profession that I know have read the info...unlike our representatives that seem to read nothing.[/QUOTE]

As with any profession, some people do a good job while others do not and it's unfair to make a blanket statement that "our representatives seem to read nothing." I'm not engaging you in a political debate but since my husband works in the political realm, I know for a fact that many of our elected officials are doing their best to understand the complexities associated with the H1N1 outbreak.

Similarly, there are plenty of folks in the medical profession that are misinformed about H1N1. I spoke to a well-respected nurse the other day and she said she was not worried about H1N1 and would not be receiving the vaccine because it's just like the regular flu and old people are getting sick I reminded her of the 12 yr old girl that just died in our community. She also had concerns about the mercury that was in all the vaccines. Again, not the case at all. It's a scary thing when medical professionals who work in hospitals on high risk floors are so severely misguided on an issue so important.

 

[catycatcat4]

no offense geoff you are getting kinda annoying. Do you really need to keep runing too swine flue threads just to be argumentative.

are you 14 or somthing? you sure do act like it. (i would know im 16)

 

[Geoff_M]

no offense geoff you are getting kinda annoying. Do you really need to keep runing too swine flue threads just to be argumentative.

are you 14 or somthing? you sure do act like it. (i would know im 16)

Actually, I "run" to a minority of them. Given the kind words I've heard in response, both in these threads and in PMs, I think my efforts are appreciated by many. But I understand that facts can be "annoying" to some. And, it's worth noting that the grand total of Swine Flu threads started by me is: Zero.

 

["Got Disney"]

The amount of people that have died so far from this are very small compared to the reg flu each year.Not to mention the amount of people that have gotten sick since it first surfaced. Even in the countries that the US said they were going to watch when this first came out because it was their flu season did not get hit as they expected.

The problem with the GOV and the CDC is that they have no idea what will happen.....this could continue to be mild as it is at this time...with any flu it is a prediction...never a fact.....

Do you remember back about 10 years ago the terrible flu that hit hard. 105 temps that were brought down to only 103 with fever meds and OTC meds like Tylenol/Motrin.....I do, both my son and I got it and spent 5 days in the same room with each other.

The flu vaccine that was sent out that year did not include that flu strain because the CDC felt that it was not going to be anything at all. They turned out to be wrong. Not the first time and not the last.

There is two ways to approach this......if the flu strain stays mild, and many get the vaccine than normally would have, the higher the number risk has become to get a side effect from that vaccine.... making the flu less of a risk. If the virus turns out to be a real state of Emergency, and those that have decided not to get the vaccine get sick and possibly die, than that is not good.

Either way....the scenario is not good. Also they are no longer testing as they were for the H1N1....if you get sick than it has become the H1N1....so the tallies will be off for the seasonal flu and the H1N1.

the outcome is bad either way.....People will die from both flu's, people will have side effects and possibly die from both vaccine's, and many will get sick.....this is a fact.....the only problem is we dont know how many or who.

 

[mickeyboat]

no offense geoff you are getting kinda annoying. Do you really need to keep runing too swine flue threads just to be argumentative.

are you 14 or somthing? you sure do act like it. (i would know im 16)

It think that's better than starting thread after thread trying to scare people away from being vaccinated, using data from youtube and 30 year old videos.

As far as the video is concerned, I should hope we as a society have learned something from the past, and we are doing a better job this time.

Eta - catycat4 - that sounds an awful lot like a personal attack. I would urge caution.

 

["Got Disney"]

It think that's better than starting thread after thread trying to scare people away from being vaccinated, using data from youtube and 30 year old videos.

As far as the video is concerned, I should hope we as a society have learned something from the past, and we are doing a better job this time.

Eta - catycat4 - that sounds an awful lot like a personal attack. I would urge caution.

Clearly not everyone is going to agree with this subject....however.....those that are planning on getting the vaccine feel as passionately about getting the vaccine as those that dont.

this subject does not make anyone wrong or right....

and no matter what info is thrown in the mix..... some may feel it is bogguss and others may not...some info will be correct and some will not.....and it is up to the individual to follow up, not just go by what some have to say on a message board.

We all bring our thoughts, info, feelings, concerns when it comes to touchy subjects...and when children are involved it gets even touchier.

so far I must say that with all the threads on this subject everyone has been keeping a Civil head and sorting out what fits there agendas and what does not.

This is a subject that will not be going away from this board for many months to come. I look forward to reading both sides....if I didn't than I would not be waisting my time talking to people I know in the medical profession.

I dont come here saying if you get the vaccine you will be crippled...and if you dont get it than you will die. Why...because both are true for who gets it and who does not. There will be cases of both. We however have no idea how many of either....

 

[N.Bailey]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";34132523]
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I dont come here saying if you get the vaccine you will be crippled...and if you dont get it than you will die. Why...because both are true for who gets it and who does not. There will be cases of both. We however have no idea how many of either....[/QUOTE]

Didn't I see a magic 8 ball thread floating around the boards today? Maybe we could find our answers there?

I'm certainly not trying to make light of the subject, just trying to add a bit of humor to an otherwise depressing subject.

 

[Geoff_M]

The amount of people that have died so far from this are very small compared to the reg flu each year.

No, quite the contrary... The CDC tracking data already shows that we're above the normal baseline for this point in the flu season: Pneumonia and Influenza (P&I) Mortality Surveillance and Influenza-Associated Pediatric Mortality The notion that this year's flu season "isn't all that bad" or that it's lighter than usual in terms of mortality is not supported by the surveillance data. Also note that the season doesn't normally "peak" until February... which is quite a ways off.

 

[maroo]

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr57/nvsr57_14.pdf


Page 34 - Table 10 - Under Influenza. This data is produced by the CDC. This was the data for 2006.

According to their numbers 846 people died of "Influenza" in 2006. The whole year. And 689 of those were over the age of 65.


I am just tired of hearing that 36,000 people die of the flu each year.

 

[monkeybug]

Actually, I "run" to a minority of them. Given the kind words I've heard in response, both in these threads and in PMs, I think my efforts are appreciated by many. But I understand that facts can be "annoying" to some. And, it's worth noting that the grand total of Swine Flu threads started by me is: Zero.

You can add me to the list of people who appreciate your efforts and the information you share.