catholics... what do you think about this...

Replace the word Priest with Teacher. Then ask yourself if you would be nervous talking to him. He is a human. Treat him like any other person. Yes- I am Catholic.
Good luck!
 
Curious as to what the outcome of speaking to the priest was.

I am curious too...If this situation was happening in my home the bottom line would be, "Do my children feel safe and secure in this school environment?" Emotionally and physically. Let's face it...priest or no priest, this "person" talked terribly to your child. I would talk directly to the priest and then to their superior whoever that is. Please let us know what happens. You are your child's best advocate.
 

OP, you rock! *hugs* to you. It sounds to me like you're really thought this through and are walking in with a cool, confident head about it. My only advice is to take it one step at a time. For all you know, he's going to say "I did say it and immediately regretted. I should have found better words." or something else that puts your mind at ease. And for what it's worth, I would have stood there outside the confessional door, just as you did.

Please let us know how it goes tomorrow. I'll be thinking about you!
 
I am not Catholic but do have kids and all in public school - I would also welcome my child to tell me when something was said or done to them that they didn't like-
I am taking a reconcilliation to mean that maybe they had to *confess some kind of wrong doing? If that is not it I am sorry but trying to understand why it would be wrong if a mother is "hearing" words coming from a room where her child is being spoke to... Again, the OP didn't say she was trying to listen in but that aside... her child told her what was said to him- so whether she heard it or not and whether it was confidential or not... WHO is it supposed to be confidential for?... I am assuming the confessor NOT the Priest-
& Her child shared with her what was said (at least this part of it) She did not ask when he came out and again, even if she did, the child gave her the information- His choice to do so- I would definitely be confronting the Priest and whether accusatory or not, how would the child feel "stupid" in a mean way if he was using "stupid" to describe something?... OP, Good Luck with this- I do hope you can get to the bottom of it AND I hope if you decide to leave your kids in this school that your 7 yr old child is not "scared" into not sharing with you conversations and actions that may happen to him at the school from a manipulative adult who feels his higher power rules over what a child says or feels. Point blank, I hope he doesn't target your son after this incident because of your "talk" and if he does, I definitely hope your son is open with you about it so you can put a stop to it!
 
As a Catholic mom, I might add one other suggestion. "put you ear to the ground" and listen to other parents kids' experiences with the priest (without giving out any info:)). If it is an issue of a priest having difficulty relating "appropriately" to kids, it likely will be happening with lots of the kids - not just your son. Pleaes note, I am not suggesting "gossiping" - this is no different than discussing a teacher with a fellow parent (e.g., In your experience, how does Mrs. Smith relate to kids? Is she a positive teacher, patient, etc?). It's wonderful that you are such an involved/concerned parent:)
 
My daughter attends Catholic school, and if she even thought our priest said she was stupid, she would be VERY hurt. Because we're taught to respect someone in that position, it would be more hurtful to come from them than just anyone 'out there' in the world. Add to that the fact that reconciliation is a time when you sort of bare your soul, and it is no wonder a child would be so bothered.

DD is 7, and I know she sometimes misunderstands, and hears something different from the intended message. So it is very possible that it was a miscommunication. At any rate, the priest needs to know that what he said was upsetting. He SHOULD care, and use this as an opportunity to rethink how he phrases things, particularly when talking to children who could misunderstand (again, hoping this was a misunderstanding and not just him being a jerk!). If the answer leaves you uncomfortable ABSOLUTELY talk to someone in a position of authority at the school.

Good for you for sticking up for your kid, but in a calm and non-accusatory way. I think you're doing the right thing. You sound like an awesome parent!
 
OP here again... we have a snowday today. I'll talk to him tomorrow morning hopefully. If I had to guess, there's a 50/50 chance he's either going to be like "oh my goodness, I didn't mean it like that" and make nice-nice. OR I'm thinking he's going to tell me he cannot discuss anything that goes on behind that door during reconciliation, for privacy reasons. Which of course I'll nicely say that my ds is the one who told me, so ds's privacy isn't an issue. We'll go from there.

I'm really good at thinking up appropriate responses about 3 days after an incident :rotfl:, so I'm trying to think of anything he could say to me, so I can have nice response in my head all ready, instead of something stupid and inappropriate rolling off my tongue, or me just standing there like a deer in headlights.

I want to thank you all for your responses and encouragement! Sometimes it's hard for me to know if I'm just being overprotective because of my own childhood scars (lots of them, unfortunately), or if something is genuinely wrong. I've come a long way in at least knowing I may see things a bit shaded, so I like to have people to bounce things off of. Thanks guys! :love:
 
I had an old school nun as a principal when I was a kid...

I dont recall her saying anything like "stupid," but I think she could be very frank with you...

I wouldnt let someone call your child "stupid." But, I think you confront them privately to get the whole story and maybe give them a piece of your mind.
 
Definitely talk to the priest! The word stupid should have never, ever come into play! Whether calling him stupid or saying something he did was stupid it should have never been said! I too would be very mad! Nobody should say anything like that to a child! I hope everything works out, good luck!
 
Allowing a person in a position of authority over your child call him stupid is teaching him that it is okay. I'm sure you expect him to respect and obey his priest and teachers, therefore you are condoning what they say and do. You need to tell your son that the priest was wrong to use that word (even if he didn't say "you are stupid"). It is also totally within your rights to question the priest-your sample conversation was extremely polite and non-confrontational. Tell your husband that there is a difference between his child's friends using inappropriate language and cruelty and a priest or teacher doing it.

I was a public school teacher, and I would have lost my job if I had actually told a child he/she was stupid.

Also, I attended Catholic school as a child. All of the teachers were wonderful and nice, but the nun was awful. She once called a girl a prostitute for brushing her hair in the hall!!! Just because someone dedicated their life to their religion, doesn't make them a nice person.
 
Definitely talk to the priest! The word stupid should have never, ever come into play! Whether calling him stupid or saying something he did was stupid it should have never been said!
I agree with this.
I feel for you OP. I hope you have better luck than I did....
Last year I quit my job in a Catholic School, pulled my daughter out of the same school, pulled my son from Confirmation classes and completly quit the Church.....
Two nuns were abusing my daughter right under my nose...they degraded her and made her feel dumb and unsafe. They forced her to eat food she could not finish and removed her to rooms where she was alone or alone with a nun. When I found out what was happening....:scared1: :scared1: :scared1: Thank goodness a friend held me back from killing a Sister. This nun was the principal! I will never fogive myself for not listening to my first instincts.....When I first started working there and enrolled my daughter, I overheard the Principal refer to the children of color in the school as "coffee beans"!!! I always remembered that, but somehow convinced myself that it was still OK to have my child there and I felt that I could impart some good to the kids I worked with. It's crazy what some of us will overlook because we don't want to think badly of a religious person! I mean really....do they think Jesus would approve of such horrible behavior?!
In the end....not even the Monsingnor of the Church offered me understanding....I just got the whole "even nuns are human and make mistakes" speech...That's it. The same nun still runs the school and her fellow Sisters are still there doing the same things.....I hear from a friend that still works there...
I now belong to another Christian church and happy to know that Jesus is not held hostage there......

LIZ
 
I agree with this.
I feel for you OP. I hope you have better luck than I did....
Last year I quit my job in a Catholic School, pulled my daughter out of the same school, pulled my son from Confirmation classes and completly quit the Church.....
Two nuns were abusing my daughter right under my nose...they degraded her and made her feel dumb and unsafe. They forced her to eat food she could not finish and removed her to rooms where she was alone or alone with a nun. When I found out what was happening....:scared1: :scared1: :scared1: Thank goodness a friend held me back from killing a Sister. This nun was the principal! I will never fogive myself for not listening to my first instincts.....When I first started working there and enrolled my daughter, I overheard the Principal refer to the children of color in the school as "coffee beans"!!! I always remembered that, but somehow convinced myself that it was still OK to have my child there and I felt that I could impart some good to the kids I worked with. It's crazy what some of us will overlook because we don't want to think badly of a religious person! I mean really....do they think Jesus would approve of such horrible behavior?!
In the end....not even the Monsingnor of the Church offered me understanding....I just got the whole "even nuns are human and make mistakes" speech...That's it. The same nun still runs the school and her fellow Sisters are still there doing the same things.....I hear from a friend that still works there...
I now belong to another Christian church and happy to know that Jesus is not held hostage there......

LIZ

I'm sorry to hear this about your dd. I hope she's in a good place now.

Their attitude you describe is exactly what drives my dh crazy. Instead of admitting a human error and correcting it so it doesn't happen again, they defend each other's blatant wrongness that goes completely against everything they preach.
Do as I say, not as I do.
I'm so glad he's not reading this....it's so upsetting to him that even after all the allegations they've dealt with, there's still no accountability or standing up for the truth or just doing the right thing.
Isn't that what we teach our kids too?
Arrrgh!pirate:

ok. I'm done. whew...
 
Raised Catholic... turned Baptist. I was raised in Catholic school and could write pages about the horrible treatment from the nuns. My DF was a deacon his entire life... large family. Only 2 go to church. Most of my growing up, I had a lot of exposure to priests that most people don't because DF was always around them, and I can tell you from his experience, most have problems with alcohol. I always remember how very odd them all seemed when not on the altar so to speak. I realize they are only human but every one of them seemed so odd in a very quirky way. Not to put the religion down but once I left home, I ran as fast as I possibly could because I found a lot of very strange things surrounding the entire religion. That being said, I would confront the priest and ask him to apologize to your DS. I can remember how scared I was my first time... wow. I personally feel that there is not ONE human being who should come between me and my God... only Jesus Christ who died to save my soul. :flower3:
 
OP here... I just got back from speaking w/ father for an hour.

He was very nice. Invited me to come in (the parish offices) for coffee to sit and talk about it. He said he doesn't recall saying it (so at first he denied it, then when I said I heard him myself, he looked surprised but said if he said it, he certainly didn't mean it that way).

But he was trying to put it on my ds, saying "if your ds is so sensitive that this one word is upsetting him so much, we need to strengthen your ds. I'm concerned about him". I didn't like this at all and told him so (very nicely). I told him I didn't like that he was putting this on my ds and not taking responsbility for what came out of his own mouth (that's my exact words, but I said it nicely). I explained how today we parents, because of political correctness, have to teach our children to not say the word "stupid", and that if a teacher had said that to my ds, it would be a problem in the school. He said he truly didn't realize that. I told him it's the same as saying (please forgive me for saying this) retard (i actually whispered the word, and he laughed). How when I was a kid, if you were mad at someone, that's what you called them - we heard and said it all the time, and how today, you simply don't say it and we teach our kids to not say it. He understood more then. I also told him I didn't like that he closed the door, and he shouldn't have and I wouldn't have if I were him (not in a threatening way, just telling him how all adults need to be hyper-aware of being alone w/ children, and simply not do it). He agreed. We talked about the "safe environment program" w/ the kids, and that's why I overheard some things (because of course he said I shouldn't have been listening), but I explained I was standing there because he closed the door. He said it was an ackward situation because it wasn't a real confessional room he was using, and for privacy from the hallway and room right next door, he closed the door, but he even felt weird about it.

He wants to apologize to ds, and I said I'll only allow ds to speak to him w/ me there, and he fully agreed. He said 'let's have your dh come too', but I explained how we own a local business and dh is a busy guy, then it came out he's a long time customer of ours (my dh had said this to me, that he thought he recognized father, but he was far away w/out his glasses). Anyway, my dh had said to me "if it's the customer i'm thinking of, he's the nicest guy I know and I'm just shocked".

I told father how surprised I was because I loved hearing him speak "to" the kids instead of over them, etc.

He said a lot of things like "i'm so glad you came to me, let's please take this as a learning experience... what is jesus wanting us all to learn from this..." stuff that I'm always on the fence about w/ religion anyway. So part of what he said made me feel sort of OK (but not fully wonderful), and part of what he said was the religion part that I have a hard time with.

In the end, he didn't take responsibility for his words, because he kept saying he didn't recall it, and he didn't think the word was a big deal. He seemed more understanding at the end than at the beginning about it though.

I've been researching homeschooling in my area for the past few days (always getting ahead of myself), because that's really my only option. I wouldn't do our public school, and the other private schools around here are all religion-based, which I wouldn't do again if we left this school.

I like everything else about this school (well, most everything - every school has it good and bad points), but we were mainly happy here before this. BUT i've always thought about homeschooling in the back of my mind, and this has made me really start thinking about it again. So of course dh says "people think we're weird enough already for goodness sakes!" Yea, he's right on board w/ me! :rotfl: IT'S SO HARD deciding things for your kids!!!!!

I was ready to pull the kids out today if I had to, if father was like 'too bad, so sad!' (can you imagine him really saying that?!? :lmao: ), and homeschool them the rest of the year to see how we all liked it, with the intention of... I don't know what... in the fall. sigh....

so I guess we're ok... but I'm not 100% happy, but will I ever be anyway?
 
I have been thinking of you for a few days and wondering what happened. I am bummed that you are not feeling content with the resolve. I hope that whatever happens, whatever your final choice is, that you have peace knowing you are doing the right thing. That's it, plain and simple...peace with it all. And we both know that in these trying times that is what you need. Just to touch on one thing...I am usually not a huge fan of homeschooling because I have had several family members do it and nothing positive has come from it. I am also a teacher. But, having said that, many people have experienced great success. So depending on the programs available in your area that may be a great choice.
 
OP here... I just got back from speaking w/ father for an hour.

He was very nice. Invited me to come in (the parish offices) for coffee to sit and talk about it. He said he doesn't recall saying it (so at first he denied it, then when I said I heard him myself, he looked surprised but said if he said it, he certainly didn't mean it that way).

But he was trying to put it on my ds, saying "if your ds is so sensitive that this one word is upsetting him so much, we need to strengthen your ds. I'm concerned about him". I didn't like this at all and told him so (very nicely). I told him I didn't like that he was putting this on my ds and not taking responsbility for what came out of his own mouth (that's my exact words, but I said it nicely). I explained how today we parents, because of political correctness, have to teach our children to not say the word "stupid", and that if a teacher had said that to my ds, it would be a problem in the school. He said he truly didn't realize that. I told him it's the same as saying (please forgive me for saying this) retard (i actually whispered the word, and he laughed). How when I was a kid, if you were mad at someone, that's what you called them - we heard and said it all the time, and how today, you simply don't say it and we teach our kids to not say it. He understood more then. I also told him I didn't like that he closed the door, and he shouldn't have and I wouldn't have if I were him (not in a threatening way, just telling him how all adults need to be hyper-aware of being alone w/ children, and simply not do it). He agreed. We talked about the "safe environment program" w/ the kids, and that's why I overheard some things (because of course he said I shouldn't have been listening), but I explained I was standing there because he closed the door. He said it was an ackward situation because it wasn't a real confessional room he was using, and for privacy from the hallway and room right next door, he closed the door, but he even felt weird about it.

He wants to apologize to ds, and I said I'll only allow ds to speak to him w/ me there, and he fully agreed. He said 'let's have your dh come too', but I explained how we own a local business and dh is a busy guy, then it came out he's a long time customer of ours (my dh had said this to me, that he thought he recognized father, but he was far away w/out his glasses). Anyway, my dh had said to me "if it's the customer i'm thinking of, he's the nicest guy I know and I'm just shocked".

I told father how surprised I was because I loved hearing him speak "to" the kids instead of over them, etc.

He said a lot of things like "i'm so glad you came to me, let's please take this as a learning experience... what is jesus wanting us all to learn from this..." stuff that I'm always on the fence about w/ religion anyway. So part of what he said made me feel sort of OK (but not fully wonderful), and part of what he said was the religion part that I have a hard time with.

In the end, he didn't take responsibility for his words, because he kept saying he didn't recall it, and he didn't think the word was a big deal. He seemed more understanding at the end than at the beginning about it though.

I've been researching homeschooling in my area for the past few days (always getting ahead of myself), because that's really my only option. I wouldn't do our public school, and the other private schools around here are all religion-based, which I wouldn't do again if we left this school.

I like everything else about this school (well, most everything - every school has it good and bad points), but we were mainly happy here before this. BUT i've always thought about homeschooling in the back of my mind, and this has made me really start thinking about it again. So of course dh says "people think we're weird enough already for goodness sakes!" Yea, he's right on board w/ me! :rotfl: IT'S SO HARD deciding things for your kids!!!!!

I was ready to pull the kids out today if I had to, if father was like 'too bad, so sad!' (can you imagine him really saying that?!? :lmao: ), and homeschool them the rest of the year to see how we all liked it, with the intention of... I don't know what... in the fall. sigh....

so I guess we're ok... but I'm not 100% happy, but will I ever be anyway?

I am not sure what more you wanted from this and why you are considering pulling your kids out.

I dont get the impression he was backpedaling with his answers, at least from what you posted, he probably listened to MANY confessions that day and interacts with many people so the fact that he did not recall using the term at first doesnt surprise me.

I was also the one that mentioned that older people do not get the negative conatation that is now associated with the word stupid, so it is good that you were able to educate him that it is not the best chocie of words going forward. But I still hear tons of people using it and I now cringe when I do.

Honestly I was reading your post and thought it seemed like such a good resolution and interaction between you two that I was surprised to hear you were contemplating homeschooling.
 
OP, I'm glad to see an update! I know you didn't ask for what I would do, but I'm offering that anyway. ;-) I would let this situation set for now and see how the rest of the year goes. You had an advantage over the priest in that you were thinking of what to say and how you'd react for a few days. He was kind of blindsided by this information. I think it would have been nice for him to say "I don't remember, but I'm so sorry." But hey, who ever comes up with the exact right words on the spot? I'm the queen of the snappy combeback two days later. So perhaps give the priest a *small* break for being put on the spot. And absolutely do not take that as anything negative towards you. I would have gone about it the exact same way you did.

One thing I'm happy about for you is that the priest didn't try to duck out of the situation. He listened to you. It didn't sound like he hurried you through your concerns. And he wants to talk further about it with your family. To me, that sounds like he's owning it and genuinely wants to work through it.

Good luck! I hope it all goes well.
 

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