Casey Anthony Trial Thread #3

[crz4mm2]

Sorry, I hit submit before I saw your correction -- but this is not an enormous house or yard. I still say the timing if off. Yes, drowning victims do sink as the lungs fill with water. They float again as they decompose (creating gas) but that would take a while.



Yep! But at least in the OJ trial I could see that the Defense had made a fairly good case for reasonable doubt to a sequestered jury. I have nothing against "reasonable doubt" -- in fact I think it is the jury's responsibility to try to find it. This Defense, however, has yet to make me feel reasonable doubt with the witnesses they have put on so far. Half of them seem to support the Prosecution, and at least 2 were (Spitz and that botanist woman) past their sell by date and far from credible. IMO



I give you much credit because you are trying to find reasonable doubt. But if you or I were on the jury we wouldn't know some of this stuff about the Anthony's marriage. I found Cindy Anthony extremely credible on the stand. George Anthony was testy but also credible. Dr G blew me away, as did Dr Vass.

But then we have this totally incredible story of various people hiding bodies, a young woman with a history of pathalogical lying just partying away for 31 days, an imaginary nanny that predates the "accident," and lying to law enforcement who are giving her every chance to admit to an accident.

The Defense has yet to convince me that Casey was sexually abused, could go into a dissociative state, and isn't simply a murdering lying sociopath who duct taped her poor child, drove around with a decomposing body in her car for several days before dumping it in the woods and wants to get away with it.

Occam's Razor.

I about spit my wine on my laptop when I read that.

I agree with you btw, on the whole post.

 

[Mosoh]

I am in trouble I thought I heard 4 feet. Geez. Well have all determined that Baez website doesnt work, anybody tried the phone number?

Bozo has a tape measure



just sayin'

 

[hambirg]

The evening before doesn't Cindy say that her and Caylee were swimming in the pool? Perhaps Casey came home during that time and Cindy quickly got out of the pool with Caylee to go jump down Casey's throat about *whatever* it was. ( I think it was about stolen credit card and/or money, but I'm not sure) According to Lee it was quite the fight and maybe no one ever noticed that the pool ladder stayed IN THE POOL that night.

That gave Caylee access when Casey and/or George weren't looking and it was the start of "an accident that snowballed...."

Casey knows letting her child drown would prove to Cindy that she was an unfit mother. She's lied for what appears to be 4+ years now and gotten away with it. She starts to "cope" with what works best for her.

George knows 2 things.
1 Cindy is his sugar momma, and would've been done with their marriage already if she didn't have to share their assets and pay him alimony. If she knew that he let Caylee drown......
2 Cindy would be beside herself if she realized that it was her that left the ladder in the pool. I know I would be.

And it starts to snow....

That's all fine and good. . .and possibly plausible. BUT the part that leaves me shaking my head is the "where is Caylee?" stuff. The state repeated that many times during there opening statement. And if the defense's scenario is to be believed, then they will have to fill in those gaps. What happened after finding her drowned and deciding to cover it up? What did they DO with her? Wrap her in a blanket, and some bags and a laundry bag (from the house mind you) and then what? Put her in the playhouse? And then in the trunk of CA'S car for several days? And then, of course! They handed her decomposing body off to the meter reader guy. . .after they put duck tape on her and the gas can. . .because that would all make logical sense if you were trying to cover up the death of a toddler.

If they can't tell us what happened during the cover-up in the drowning scenario, then they lose. And in order to do that, they would have to put CA on the stand. It would come down to her word against George. And in my opinion, they lose there too.

 

[LisaR]

The evening before doesn't Cindy say that her and Caylee were swimming in the pool? Perhaps Casey came home during that time and Cindy quickly got out of the pool with Caylee to go jump down Casey's throat about *whatever* it was. ( I think it was about stolen credit card and/or money, but I'm not sure) According to Lee it was quite the fight and maybe no one ever noticed that the pool ladder stayed IN THE POOL that night.

That gave Caylee access when Casey and/or George weren't looking and it was the start of "an accident that snowballed...."

Casey knows letting her child drown would prove to Cindy that she was an unfit mother. She's lied for what appears to be 4+ years now and gotten away with it. She starts to "cope" with what works best for her.

George knows 2 things.
1 Cindy is his sugar momma, and would've been done with their marriage already if she didn't have to share their assets and pay him alimony. If she knew that he let Caylee drown......
2 Cindy would be beside herself if she realized that it was her that left the ladder in the pool. I know I would be.

And it starts to snow....

Do you believe George sexually abused Casey? Do you believe that factors into Casey's behavior? If not, do you know what would cause Casey to continue to lie for not only the 31 days but to continue the lies after she was arrested? Was she really more afraid of Cindy's wrath than jail, prison, the death penalty? Even if you do believe Casey was sexually abused by George, do you think her partying, happy-go-lucky behavior during the 31 days was "normal" behavior given the circumstances?

 

[Mosoh]

Relaxation tips for Judge Perry CLICK

 

[hambirg]

Do you believe George sexually abused Casey? Do you believe that factors into Casey's behavior? If not, do you know what would cause Casey to continue to lie for not only the 31 days but to continue the lies after she was arrested? Was she really more afraid of Cindy's wrath than jail, prison, the death penalty? Even if you do believe Casey was sexually abused by George, do you think her partying, happy-go-lucky behavior during the 31 days was "normal" behavior given the circumstances?

I'm really kind of undecided on whether CA was abused (I know you weren't asking me. . .) BUT I don't think it's really here nor there in this case. If the drowning story was true, there would have to be collusion between George and Casey. What were they going to tell Cindy? What was their story going to be? And seeing as George is a former LE detective, I can't imagine in my wildest dreams that he agreed to what transpired.

CA: Dad, we'll just keep telling Mom that she's with the nanny.
GA: But we can't do that forever.
CA: Well, we'll wait a month and then tell her the nanny kidnapped her.
GA: Brilliant Casey! Everyone will buy that and the case will be closed. . .because that's just how LE works.

 

[Kurby]

And are we supposed to believe after George pulls caylee out of the water. Yells at casey. Decides to put his beloved granddaughter in a plastic bag and dumps her that he just let's casey head off to screw around with Tony????

And he didn't say one word for 31'days???

Oh wait he told his mistress

 

[Mosoh]

Casey Anthony's Schizophrenic Defense

 

[Mosoh]

I'm really kind of undecided on whether CA was abused (I know you weren't asking me. . .) BUT I don't think it's really here nor there in this case. If the drowning story was true, there would have to be collusion between George and Casey. What were they going to tell Cindy? What was their story going to be? And seeing as George is a former LE detective, I can't imagine in my wildest dreams that he agreed to what transpired.

CA: Dad, we'll just keep telling Mom that she's with the nanny.
GA: But we can't do that forever.
CA: Well, we'll wait a month and then tell her the nanny kidnapped her.
GA: Brilliant Casey! Everyone will buy that and the case will be closed. . .because that's just how LE works.

Why would George have to be involved in a drowning? ICA could have easily hid the body alone.

 

[diznygirl]

And are we supposed to believe after George pulls caylee out of the water. Yells at casey. Decides to put his beloved granddaughter in a plastic bag and dumps her that he just let's casey head off to screw around with Tony????

And he didn't say one word for 31'days???

Oh wait he told his mistress

I think it's easier to believe Casey and George lying about sexual abuse than about the death of Caylee. If it was an accidental drowning, that's easily explained away without anyone discovering you are having sex with your daughter. But hiding the body, lying about the child for a month, then concocting a kidnapping story?

Listen, I'll believe the sexual abuse if they want me to, but I just can't make the leap that it results in hiding your dead child's body in the woods after an accidental drowning.



SIDEBAR: Kurby, how was your doctor appt today?

 

[hambirg]

Why would George have to be involved in a drowning? ICA could have easily hid the body alone.

But that's not the story the defense is trying to tell. They are saying George found Caylee, yelled at Casey and then agreed to help Casey cover-up the accidental drowning. So according to the defense, he was involved, even if he didn't help hide the body. . .he knew what happened and played along.

 

[LisaR]

I'm really kind of undecided on whether CA was abused (I know you weren't asking me. . .) BUT I don't think it's really here nor there in this case. If the drowning story was true, there would have to be collusion between George and Casey. What were they going to tell Cindy? What was their story going to be? And seeing as George is a former LE detective, I can't imagine in my wildest dreams that he agreed to what transpired.

CA: Dad, we'll just keep telling Mom that she's with the nanny.
GA: But we can't do that forever.
CA: Well, we'll wait a month and then tell her the nanny kidnapped her.
GA: Brilliant Casey! Everyone will buy that and the case will be closed. . .because that's just how LE works.

Why does George have to be part of it? Do you think it is possible that Casey did find Caylee in the pool and panicked? Is it possible that George had nothing to do with this?

I can't imagine a former homicide detective covering it up in the way that George supposedly covered it up. I could have covered it up better. Why wouldn't George get rid of the car for her or at least tell her how to do it? Why would he even bother picking the car up at the tow yard and why on earth would he open the truck with the tow truck guy right there when he could already smell decomposition?

I don't dismiss the idea that it could have truly started out as an accident and snowballed. IF, and that is a big IF, it was honestly an accident, I venture to guess that Casey was relieved once it was over since she found herself free of her "burden." I don't have any other explanation for her behavior during those 31 days if it really started out as an accident.

 

[Kurby]

Oh. It went very well. Nicoles heart looks great. Now we just have to wait the the hydrops to drain out from under her skin

2 weeks til 37 weeks so if they have to take her early July 6 is the magic date

 

[hambirg]

Why does George have to be part of it? Do you think it is possible that Casey did find Caylee in the pool and panicked? Is it possible that George had nothing to do with this?

I can't imagine a former homicide detective covering it up in the way that George supposedly covered it up. I could have covered it up better. Why wouldn't George get rid of the car for her or at least tell her how to do it? Why would he even bother picking the car up at the tow yard and why on earth would he open the truck with the tow truck guy right there when he could already smell decomposition?

I don't dismiss the idea that it could have truly started out as an accident and snowballed. IF, and that is a big IF, it was honestly an accident, I venture to guess that Casey was relieved once it was over since she found herself free of her "burden." I don't have any other explanation for her behavior during those 31 days if it really started out as an accident.

I'm not disagreeing with you. The defense's story is that George was part of it. That's why I'm saying it seems so implausible. Like you said, certainly a former detective would have come up with a better cover-up. Now, if the defense said it was all Casey, fine. But that's not what they're saying.

 

[diznygirl]

Oh. It went very well. Nicoles heart looks great. Now we just have to wait the the hydrops to drain out from under her skin

2 weeks til 37 weeks so if they have to take her early July 6 is the magic date

Good to hear!

 

[LisaR]

I'm not disagreeing with you. The defense's story is that George was part of it. That's why I'm saying it seems so implausible. Like you said, certainly a former detective would have come up with a better cover-up. Now, if the defense said it was all Casey, fine. But that's not what they're saying.

I know. I just don't get why they threw George into this. It seems like they had a great probable cause case by saying it was an accident that snowballed. By throwing George in there with the sexual abuse and again with the cover up makes it seem like another Casey fable.

Off to walk on the beach and ponder this case. I can't wait for it to end so I can go back to thinking about other things!

 

[ugadog99]

Oh. It went very well. Nicoles heart looks great. Now we just have to wait the the hydrops to drain out from under her skin

2 weeks til 37 weeks so if they have to take her early July 6 is the magic date

Sounds like positive news, Kurby! Continuing to keep you both in my thoughts

 

[hellokitty86]

Good to hear!

ditto

 

[hambirg]

I know. I just don't get why they threw George into this. It seems like they had a great probable cause case by saying it was an accident that snowballed. By throwing George in there with the sexual abuse and again with the cover up makes it seem like another Casey fable.

Off to walk on the beach and ponder this case. I can't wait for it to end so I can go back to thinking about other things!

Yeah, I don't know. Is it because he would have been home during that time they are claiming it happened?

I vote Casey fable.

 

[diznygirl]

I know. I just don't get why they threw George into this. It seems like they had a great probable cause case by saying it was an accident that snowballed. By throwing George in there with the sexual abuse and again with the cover up makes it seem like another Casey fable.

Off to walk on the beach and ponder this case. I can't wait for it to end so I can go back to thinking about other things!

Exactly! The defense didn't have to say so much - the burden of proof is on the prosecution.