Casey Anthony TRIAL thread #2

[Kurby]

FYI

susan smith got life and will be eligible for parole on November 4, 2024

it will be very interesting to see the difference in sentencing since both cases are based on selfishness unlike andrea yates.

 

[Seahunt]

Digging way back tonight and reread this info from 12/08 about Casey and her possible connection to Sawgrass. A person mentioned in it has friends/relatives named:

RAQUEL
JASMIN
VICTOR
SAMANTHA

Hmm, these are all names Casey used for Zanny's inner circle.

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/casey-anthonys-connection-with-sawgrass-apartments/

I've been trying to figure out how she seemingly comes up with all these names out of nowhere, and then how she keeps them all straight.

 

[denisem]

I'm going to paraphrase here, Simon Birch (Burch?) did not call the police because when the trunk was opened, in George Anthony's presence, there was no body. Therefore, he would have only been reporting a smell.

Why he didn't call when he first smelled it? I forget what, if anything, his response was. Sorry.

I wondered that, too. But, IIRC, from SB's deposition, he didn't notice an odor when the car was first parked at the tow yard; it was only when George opening the trunk that the smell was overpowering.

DH & I throw around theories while watching testimony & came to the conclusion - what could SB do at that point? The owner paid the bill, opened the trunk, filled the tank & drove off. There WAS garbage in there, can you call LE on smell? Wouldn't that have been George's responsibility?

I don't know, I have a lot of questions revolving around the odor in the trunk. Hope they can will be answered by forensic experts.

 

[EMom]

The case immediately got my attention (even before all the lies tumbled out) because Caylee was missing for 31 days and even then, the grandmother reported instead of Casey. When I heard "31 days" I said, "That poor baby is dead for sure."

That 911 call is chilling for many reasons. Not the least of these is the fact that Cindy was in a panic and hysterical while Casey was calm, nonchalant and lied with the greatest of ease. I mean, the 911 operator, who is trained to stay calm, displayed more emotion and concern for Caylee than Casey did.

Watching those videos today, every time Cindy would start to break down and start worrying aloud about whether the "kidnapper" might hurt Caylee, whether she was being fed and hugged, was she safe, etc., Casey would go into her "I feel it in my gut that Caylee is safe....she is coming home to us.... she will look just like she did the last time we saw her.....I just know it" routine. How cruel can she get? It is emotional torture of her parents. A person who will do that could certainly kill their own child, IMHO.

 

[Feralpeg]

Speaking for myself, here are the key differences in Casey Anthony vs. Amanda Brumfield (Billy Bob Thornton's daughter) and most other cases of filicides :

1. It took 31 days for the "kidnapping" to be reported and it wasn't done by the mother. (OTOH, Amanda reported her god-daughter's injury within a few hours, didn't claim a kidnapping, allowing for swifter justice and grieving for the family).

2. KC's lies not only hampered LE, but allowed her family (and the world) to hold out hope for months before Caylee's remains were found.

3. The Anthonys (understandably) sought out the national media in order to find their granddaughter. However, as time went on, this snowballed out of control and didn't allow for closure. Had KC admitted to the accident/murder or Caylee's remains been found early on, this may have been less of a "big story".

4. The case took a life of its own: lies, the party girl, cast of hundreds, lies, who's the daddy, denial of the obvious, lies, imaginary friends and jobs, theft...did I mention lies?

5. The simple fact that SO much of the incriminating information came to light because of our modern media (texts, emails, cellphone pings, Facebook & MySpace entries, photos, video/audio tapes) rather than traditional word-of-mouth testimony.

JMHO, always welcome other viewpoints.

I'm not debating any of that. The issue to me is that not that the cases are different, but the way in which people found out about them.

I think I'm beating a dead horse here. It is just very interesting to me.

A question for those on this thead. How did you first hear of this case? I'm certain that many went to webslueths once the case became widely known, but where did you get the facts prior to this?

 

[Belle0101]

I didn't notice a date on this article but I think it helps point out what feralpeg was saying -

http://crime.about.com/od/female_offenders/a/mother_killers.htm


"According to the American Anthropological Association, more than 200 women kill their children in the United States each year. Three to five children a day are killed by their parents. Homicide is one of the leading causes of death of children under age four, yet we continue to "persist with the unrealistic view that this is rare behavior," says Jill Korbin, expert on child abuse, who has studied mothers who killed their children."


BTW - I really really hope nobody ever needs to look at my laptop's history.

 

[Feralpeg]

BTW - I really really hope nobody ever need to look at my laptop's history.

Good reason to keep to the straight and narrow!

 

[JaneBanks]

I'm not debating any of that. The issue to me is that not that the cases are different, but the way in which people found out about them.

I think I'm beating a dead horse here. It is just very interesting to me.

A question for those on this thead. How did you first hear of this case? I'm certain that many went to webslueths once the case became widely known, but where did you get the facts prior to this?

I heard about Caylee on the news when it first broke and that same day I went to Websleuths.

 

[Conservative Hippie]

A question for those on this thead. How did you first hear of this case? I'm certain that many went to webslueths once the case became widely known, but where did you get the facts prior to this?

Local news. And honestly I avoided it because, as a new mom, it scared me. I didn't want to hear about a dead baby, much less killed by her mother. Anything new was always on the news - it was hard to avoid it even if you were trying. I only recently started paying attention and getting caught up, right before the jury selection.

 

[denisem]

Digging way back tonight and reread this info from 12/08 about Casey and her possible connection to Sawgrass. A person mentioned in it has friends/relatives named:

RAQUEL
JASMIN
VICTOR
SAMANTHA

Hmm, these are all names Casey used for Zanny's inner circle.

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/casey-anthonys-connection-with-sawgrass-apartments/

I've been trying to figure out how she seemingly comes up with all these names out of nowhere, and then how she keeps them all straight.

OK, this just gets weirder and weirder...

I just read today a deposition on a PRO witness, Annie Downing (friend of Casey) and went back to find the link. Page 6, starting at line 10. Guess where Annie Downing and Dante Salani lived in 2006? Sawgrass Apts.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092909anthonycaseanniedowninginterview010609/1/lg/8273-8359_Page_06.htm

 

[muffyn]

saturday tv coverage

which channels?

trutv has tons of programs listed,
or hlN?

gotta record it, can't watch computer live

 

[Seahunt]

A question for those on this thead. How did you first hear of this case? I'm certain that many went to webslueths once the case became widely known, but where did you get the facts prior to this?

Way back on 7/17/08 I posted Caylee's photo and asked DISers if anyone had seen her - I must have originally heard about it on local news:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1889463

Eventually I went on to WS and spent all kinds of time sleuthing all kinds of stuff - but then didn't know if anything I found actually meant anything to the case. Burned out there and stepped away for a while, but my interest hasn't wavered. It's just all such a mystery, though I did read today about Occam's razor - (principle) often inaccurately summarized as "the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one."

Probably true

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Oh my! I now see why Casey picked him for her attorney. They seem like a match made in Heaven!

He's a special guy.

I'm not debating any of that. The issue to me is that not that the cases are different, but the way in which people found out about them.

I think I'm beating a dead horse here. It is just very interesting to me.

I'm not sure what you're looking for...what response. I think everyone has given very good reasons why this case is more "interesting" than others, and therefore in the news more. There are many many missing children...they aren't all going to get the same amount of attention. The attention isn't about this child's life being more valuable...it's the circumstances of this case.

I heard about this case on the news, I think. Or the DIS. I don't go to websleuths, ever, before the other thread (and the link didn't work), nor did I go to any other site about this case. I was drawn in by the 31 days and the grandmother's horrific 911 call. I was drawn in by the very same things that drew in the media...the bizarre nature of this case, from day 1.

If the DIS didn't exist, and therefore this thread, I wouldn't be following the case to the extent that I am. There are lots of things I found out about first here, on the DIS.

 

[Belle0101]

I'm not debating any of that. The issue to me is that not that the cases are different, but the way in which people found out about them.

I think I'm beating a dead horse here. It is just very interesting to me.

A question for those on this thead. How did you first hear of this case? I'm certain that many went to webslueths once the case became widely known, but where did you get the facts prior to this?

I think I get what you're saying. Or at least in my world I get it. If not, feel free to correct me, I'm not easily offended.

Using the statistics I found - more than 200 children a year die as a result of filicide - what brought this case so much media attention?

I was reading another article that referenced filicide (death by parent) and it mentioned that we (the collective we, not just us here) are drawn to these cases because the people involved seemed so normal. Average family, working class, and even race. (Seems a shame to mention that but it was in the article.) We can't believe that this could happen to someone who is like us.

Caylee was 1 of approximately 200 children murdered by a parent that year. I do think it was the amount of videos, photos and tapes made available. Plus, Caylee was adorable and Casey was attractive. (She, to me, barely even looks like the same person now.) Hello ratings!!

Conversely, the local case I referenced earlier, the news has never once shown a picture of the baby that died. It's hard to stay interested in the case when you aren't seeing, or being bombarded by, images on a daily basis. It slips to the back of your mind. Sad but true. That baby, I don't even know her name. The local media quit following the case.

Now where did I get my info about this case from? 2008 is so long ago, my memory isn't so good, I don't recall when or how I first heard about it. I started following it once I saw MaryAnn's post. I read that it would be televised, and given my fascination with the law and it's workings, I got sucked in to watching.

Good reason to keep to the straight and narrow!

I try but with all the searches I've been doing around this case, well it could look bad for me if they were to be taken out of context.

 

[Belle0101]

This is a Canadian article but I think it helps explain some what can make a case high profile, like the Anthony case -

http://www.crcvc.ca/en/media-guide/part-1/high-profile-cases/

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Way back on 7/17/08 I posted Caylee's photo and asked DISers if anyone had seen her - I must have originally heard about it on local news:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1889463

Wow. Thanks for that link. Enlightening in so many ways. Including the fact that I posted on it 23 times.

 

[denisem]

I'm not debating any of that. The issue to me is that not that the cases are different, but the way in which people found out about them.

I think I'm beating a dead horse here. It is just very interesting to me.

A question for those on this thead. How did you first hear of this case? I'm certain that many went to webslueths once the case became widely known, but where did you get the facts prior to this?

OK, I misunderstood.

I live in FL, so heard it on local/nat'l news at the onset. Didn't have the time or interest to follow closely or form an opinion.

Only recently (shortly before the opening arguments) did I have the time to dig into it. I like (no LOVE!) to read, preferably from the horse's mouth. So my main sources have been the legal transcripts/depositions.

Oh, I dislike Nancy Grace, too. If I watch, I tune her out to see if her guests have anything to offer.

 

[beaucoup]

Is the only time we see Casey confronted about her lies and how she reacts when the police have her at Universal Studios & she was going to bring them to where she works?

We never really see how she reacts to being confronted, right?
Do her friends or family ever confront her about any lies at all?
Do they just accept them after they find out she lied again?
Oh, its just Casey.

Just curious what she usually does when people question her saying they know she is lying.

 

[beaucoup]

Also saw on Dr Drew tonight an expert saying Casey's tears are always fake because her eyebrows don't arch up in the center of her forhead when she cries. Supposedly, everyones eyebrows go up in the center of forehead when they cry for real. She said to google Paris Hilton getting arrested to see good pictures. I haven't yet.

I plan on watching Casey's eyebrows. Or what little there is of them.

 

[bas71873]

Joining in the fun. I've been reading along since the first thread

One thing I wonder about that one of you may know--does anybody know who Caylee's father is? I read that her boyfriend Jesse Gund (or is it Grund?) took a paternity test and it wasn't him. I believe I read somewhere that her father and brother were also ruled out.

I'd like to know this too. I do know that there is no father listed on Caylee's birth certificate and that DNA tests were run to rule out George & Lee. Other than that, it's kind of been pushed under the rug. My guess is that Casey doesn't even know.

Does anyone know where Baez got his law degree from? I have tried searching but there seems to be conflicting info. He has a website but when you click on his biography, it takes you right back to his home page!

I just googled it (so take it for what it's worth), but the first thing to come up says he went to St. Thomas Law School (which is a lower ranked school in Miami) and that he graduated in 1997, but it took him 8 years to pass the bar.