Casey Anthony TRIAL THREAD #1

[MaryAnnDVC]

Alright all, trial resumes at 9am but I think they the judge is hearing some motion at 8:30. I think I understood Jeff Ashton mention an Motion in Limine about defense conduct? Should be interesting.

Maryann, hope you have a great day and the wedding goes off perfectly! Congrats to you and your family!

Thanks! Wedding is at 5, but everything is ready to go. I think. And I need a manicure and pedicure at some point. But I may pop in here. I can only imagine how much I'll have to catch up on over the weekend! Work work work!

Here's a link to the video showing what when on in the courtroom after the jury left for the day:
http://www.wftv.com/video/28040887/index.html

 

[themilesfamily]

How does the defense think they're going to get the accidental drowning theory to stick?

My understanding is that three pieces of duct tape were wrapped around Kaylee Anthony's mouth, noise and head PRE-MORTEM -- before she died -- and that medical tests prove that.

It kinds of blows the accidental drowning theory out of the water, doesn't it?

I also thought it was interesting today when one of the boyfriends said the only time Casey Anthony disciplined Kaylee was when she was trying to get her to sleep -- she had a hard time getting her to sleep.

That plays right into the prosecution's theory that she started using chloroform to put the baby to sleep when she wanted to go out and she put duct tape over the child's mouth to keep her quiet. The prosecution believes that the duct tape was the murder weapon and suffocation was the means of death.

Maybe one day she got frustrated -- she wanted to go out, Kaylee wouldn't go to sleep -- and in a fit of anger she took the roll of duct tape and just wrapped her head in it to be done with it and stuck her in the trunk of the car. The whole Anthony family seem like a bunch of hotheads. I could see her doing it. Loving mother or not -- she seems like someone who is massively self-centered and could just go over the edge when something wasn't going her way.

 

[Dee77]

Is it just me or does anyone else remember that it was found on Casey's computer that she was doing searches on missing children's websites???

And also in the prosecution's opening statement, didn't they say that she did searches for self defense, neck breaking, chloroform etc.

She had a text on her phone from a male friend asking her to come over and she responded if she should bring the "little snot head."

I think she calculated this for a long time (a couple of months) and the look on Jose Baezs' face when the boyfriend didn't corroborate the "abuse" claim shows that he may have believed her but didn't invent the defense.

Also, the parents said that Caylee was never away for more than one night at a time. I am curious how many times did Casey stay out all night and bring Caylee with her, was it so much so that she really drugged her so she could party??? Caylee was at an age when she could tell the parents about the boyfriends and where she slept etc and I think that is a major factor for why Casey started planning this whole thing.

So much running through my mind.....

 

[joviroxx]

Thanks! Wedding is at 5, but everything is ready to go. I think. And I need a manicure and pedicure at some point. But I may pop in here. I can only imagine how much I'll have to catch up on over the weekend! Work work work!

Here's a link to the video showing what when on in the courtroom after the jury left for the day:
http://www.wftv.com/video/28040887/index.html

You will be great and look great!

The end of that video is somewhat telling. Casey looks angry & confused. Im not the best lipreader but posters on Websleuths and HinkyMeter are saying Casey was saying to Baez, "What am I supposed to do now?" I think they really counted on Tony L being their star and saying that Casey told him about the so called abuse.

She also wrote a note, anyone think it was to give to her parents? Big crowds are in line this morning. Biggest yet. Could it be that Cindy Anthony will be testifying today?

I always thought Baez was slimy, Im not sure if its just completely inept. Any Cheney yesterday was worse. There is so much left to the State's case, I just don't know how the defense will make it through.

 

[joviroxx]

Is it just me or does anyone else remember that it was found on Casey's computer that she was doing searches on missing children's websites???

Yes, that will be a big part of the state's case.
And also in the prosecution's opening statement, didn't they say that she did searches for self defense, neck breaking, chloroform etc.
Yep
She had a text on her phone from a male friend asking her to come over and she responded if she should bring the "little snot head."
Yes, but in all fairness, Ive called my kids some "not so nice" names too. Little was part of it and another word staring with an s. LOL!

I think she calculated this for a long time (a couple of months) and the look on Jose Baezs' face when the boyfriend didn't corroborate the "abuse" claim shows that he may have believed her but didn't invent the defense.
Baez is so out of his league its terrifying

Also, the parents said that Caylee was never away for more than one night at a time. I am curious how many times did Casey stay out all night and bring Caylee with her, was it so much so that she really drugged her so she could party??? Caylee was at an age when she could tell the parents about the boyfriends and where she slept etc and I think that is a major factor for why Casey started planning this whole thing.

My thoughts are that the problem with the parents, especially Cindy is that they went into full "save Casey" mode. They kept details to themselves, made Casey out to be an amazing mother and Cindy consistently tried to impede law enforcement instead of aiding them. Now, as Casey points the finger at them, they find themselves in a pickle because the exact denying they did back then will be used against them to say they were lying to protect themselves, not Casey.

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I don't think we will ever know the real story or really what has been going on in that family. A beautiful little girl is gone and her mother still isn't helping to let her rest in peace.. its all so sad. So many children lose their lives to their own parents and I just can't wrap my head around it.

 

[Disney1fan2002]

I can't believe how many people (not on this thread) are actually considering her defense! A woman called into a local radio show the other day, and she went on and on about how she had Casey guilty and fried, until she heard about the sexual abuse. Once she heard Casey had been sexually abused, all her actions made sense.

It makes me sick for all the sex abuse survivors out there. They grew up and some may have problems, but they do not become sociopaths. They do not kill their own children and I am willing to bet most of them do not bring their young daughters around the same man who sexually abused them.

How can George still be a witness for the defense? To be accused of sexually molesting his own daughter and dumping his granddaughter's body has to be too much.

Question for those who have watched from the beginning, has Baez explained why Casey and George felt the need to cover up an accidental death?

 

[msjprincess]

How does the defense think they're going to get the accidental drowning theory to stick?

My understanding is that three pieces of duct tape were wrapped around Kaylee Anthony's mouth, noise and head PRE-MORTEM -- before she died -- and that medical tests prove that.

It kinds of blows the accidental drowning theory out of the water, doesn't it?

I also thought it was interesting today when one of the boyfriends said the only time Casey Anthony disciplined Kaylee was when she was trying to get her to sleep -- she had a hard time getting her to sleep.

That plays right into the prosecution's theory that she started using chloroform to put the baby to sleep when she wanted to go out and she put duct tape over the child's mouth to keep her quiet. The prosecution believes that the duct tape was the murder weapon and suffocation was the means of death.

Maybe one day she got frustrated -- she wanted to go out, Kaylee wouldn't go to sleep -- and in a fit of anger she took the roll of duct tape and just wrapped her head in it to be done with it and stuck her in the trunk of the car. The whole Anthony family seem like a bunch of hotheads. I could see her doing it. Loving mother or not -- she seems like someone who is massively self-centered and could just go over the edge when something wasn't going her way.

The ME said they were placed there before decomposition not before death.

"This duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomposition, keeping the mandible in place," she says in the report. Garavaglia said animals had scattered the bones after decomposition began.

 

[Jennasis]

If Caylee drowned accidentally, why would anyone have duck taped her mouth closed after she died? Also, accidental drownings happen pretty frequently. Why would anyone need to cover it up? Charges are not usually filed against anyone for an accidental pool drowning.

 

[zalansky]

Good morning everyone. TGIF!

I also can't believe how some people actually consider that she is telling the truth, suddenly, about being sexually abused etc. But it just goes to show you, Baez might be able to sway some jurors with it. Doubtful, we'll see.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I can't believe how many people (not on this thread) are actually considering her defense! A woman called into a local radio show the other day, and she went on and on about how she had Casey guilty and fried, until she heard about the sexual abuse. Once she heard Casey had been sexually abused, all her actions made sense.

It makes me sick for all the sex abuse survivors out there. They grew up and some may have problems, but they do not become sociopaths. They do not kill their own children and I am willing to bet most of them do not bring their young daughters around the same man who sexually abused them.

How can George still be a witness for the defense? To be accused of sexually molesting his own daughter and dumping his granddaughter's body has to be too much.

Question for those who have watched from the beginning, has Baez explained why Casey and George felt the need to cover up an accidental death?

Sex abuse survivors do not cover up accidental drownings in the state of Florida. It just ain't going to happen.

Bottom line--abuse is never ever a defense for causing a death whether by accident or on purpose. A lifetime of lies to cover of a COMMON Cause of death in Florida of young, small children just isn't even logical.

The only thing Baez did was reenact HEARSAY He yells the statement (paraphrased): Look at what you have done, your mother will never forgive you, you will go to jail the rest of your life for child neglect, etc etc. Very powerful, but NOT evidence. Jury will wait for the back up--but that back up is not coming. He can put his client on the stand all she wants with her claims. But she will not survive cross examination and I do not believe she is protected by the 5th amendment. She cannot refuse to answer a cross examination of her counter claim.

My theory on the doubling up of witnesses for each side--they are there to provide testimony that supports whatever theory either side has.

Prosecution has called Cindy and George as duped victims. Someone their daughter lied to. Someone who was concerned for where Caylee was, but was lied to...

Defense will call Cindy and George to refute their claims of concern likely with claims of her wonderful parenting, and digging up any abuse--anything that wrecks their credibility.

Then there is the big elephant in the room--IF she claims her father did all these things, IF George is lying about it, IF Lee did these things, IF Lee lied about it--WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY did she leave Caylee alone, voluntarily with either of these men?

I have had things happen to me as a kid--nothing to the magnitude of her accusations. One person wasn't even in that realm of bad things. But what I can tell you--is that these people are no longer in my life. Two, I it is highly unlikely I would ever see them again--the third, the few times where our paths almost crossed, my instinct wasn't to say "HI" or offer to let the person meet my kids, my MOTHERLY INSTINCT was to hide. It seems dumb. But I was at my mom's house and this person had stopped by. I hid in a bedroom with my child.

Now--the likelihood of that person EVER doing anything was slim to none and my response was on the irrational side of Fight or Flight, but I just had no interest in him meeting my children.

So I am to believe that what Jose offered up in Open is not only plausible, but completely true BUT that Casey was perfectly fine with leaving her daughter with either of them.

These abuse survivors need to wake up to that inconsistency. And if they have children and willingly leave them with their abusers unsupervised, they need to seriously rethink that.

I will give that maybe at some point in a fit of anger, perhaps George made similar statements as the one that Jose re-enacted at court. However, he was probably talking about Miss Thang and her partying ways or something else. No way did he cover up the death of his grandbaby and walk around for the past 3 years free as a bird.



***stream of consciousness writing...so I apologize for the bad bad grammar and run on sentences.

 

[Dee77]

If Caylee drowned accidentally, why would anyone have duck taped her mouth closed after she died? Also, accidental drownings happen pretty frequently. Why would anyone need to cover it up? Charges are not usually filed against anyone for an accidental pool drowning.

It was brought up on this thread and one of the shows that maybe the tape was used to stop the excretion of fluid that happens after death, the defense will probably use that as an excuse.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

If Caylee drowned accidentally, why would anyone have duck taped her mouth closed after she died? Also, accidental drownings happen pretty frequently. Why would anyone need to cover it up? Charges are not usually filed against anyone for an accidental pool drowning.

Defense is going with the stolen body theory--so they wouldn't know why someone would do that, so we will ask the meter reader when we accuse him of body snatching.

Baez is a piece of work!

 

[a1tinkfans]

I can't believe how many people (not on this thread) are actually considering her defense! A woman called into a local radio show the other day, and she went on and on about how she had Casey guilty and fried, until she heard about the sexual abuse. Once she heard Casey had been sexually abused, all her actions made sense.

It makes me sick for all the sex abuse survivors out there. They grew up and some may have problems, but they do not become sociopaths. They do not kill their own children and I am willing to bet most of them do not bring their young daughters around the same man who sexually abused them.

How can George still be a witness for the defense? To be accused of sexually molesting his own daughter and dumping his granddaughter's body has to be too much.

Question for those who have watched from the beginning, has Baez explained why Casey and George felt the need to cover up an accidental death?

I bolded
Didn't baez say something along the lines that the Mother/his wife would be very angry that casey let caylee get outside and ultimately drown???....though now that I think about it, that would not explain WHY the actual coverup...And where did they place the body, clearly casey would know how and when/where they put caylee. if thats the theory/defense
I think what saddens me the most is that there is a baby that is gone forever and even in death, casey will continue to make it about her (abuse, even if one believes it, which I do not) it is all about her, not about caylee, sadly, it never was about the love of her daughter...it was about an immature, selfish sick pathetic girl that had serious pathological issues that was forced (in her mind) to "deal" with a child...that was getting older, could talk about where she went, whose bed they slept in and could let the cat out of the bag...that poor child, by being born was destined for horror with casey, so tragic....those grandparents allegedly wanted that child, and to casey, in her sick mind, saw that as a huge dig to her, so she would not let them have "her" child...instead handled it as long as she could until she broke...I really do believe that the death may have been accidental, an accidental overdose of something to get that child knocked out so mom could party...that went terribly wrong...her actions Post the death.missing of the child is what is so telling, total pathologically so, denial of what she did....so tragic..........and now the family (mom dad, brother ) will continue to suffer to try and save their daughter somehow....they have already lost their grandchild...they are shattered people just surviving, not living...I believe they know that casey killed that dear child. I guess we will see and pray that there will be justice for Caylee

 

[joviroxx]

I still think the defense's best bet was to say...

Look, she's a liar, she has issues. She wasn't watching Caylee and Caylee got into the pool and drowned. She freaked out. Terrified of the consequences. She's not the brightest bulb and in her freaking out, she hid the body. She went into complete shock and didn't act appropriately afterwards.

Still not understandable, but I think he might have had a better chance at mercy this way instead of blaming a big conspiracy of her parents, law enforcement, Roy Kronk, experts and anyone else they could think of.

I don't buy it but I think it might have been easier for some to buy that than what they are dishing out.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Baez is such a baby.

"Srtategical"


He needs a dictionary.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I still think the defense's best bet was to say...

Look, she's a liar, she has issues. She wasn't watching Caylee and Caylee got into the pool and drowned. She freaked out. Terrified of the consequences. She's not the brightest bulb and in her freaking out, she hid the body. She went into complete shock and didn't act appropriately afterwards.

Still not understandable, but I think he might have had a better chance at mercy this way instead of blaming a big conspiracy of her parents, law enforcement, Roy Kronk, experts and anyone else they could think of.

I don't buy it but I think it might have been easier for some to buy that than what they are dishing out.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Baez wants the right to explore their theory.

Correct me if I am wrong--isn't that what his side of the case is for?


He doesn't want to allow ANY hearsay from her friends regarding Casey, BUT he wants to be allowed and obtain hearsay regarding Casey that backs up their testimony.

Judge discussing this now and citing law--we shall see...

(Prosecution wants the questions proffered to see if an exception should be allowed as they do understand that there can be exceptions that allow hearsay testimony.)

 

[joviroxx]

My recap of Baez arguing motions:

State: The law says, in blank vs blank, it says... We object on the grounds that...

Baez: Wha wha wha...its not fair, we want to.. we need to...fair trial, I think, we think

Judge: Based on law, state wins....


Please note that this is only my non-legally educated opinion LOL.. Its just what it sounds like to me!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

State's motion that questions be proferred has been granted, Jose cannot ask about hearsay without first proferring the witness.

Judge cited that there is a procedure or something blah blah blah....

Jose is motioning for a mistrial for inadmissible evidence of lack of remorse and character blah blah blah....

 

[cabanafrau]

I still think the defense's best bet was to say...

Look, she's a liar, she has issues. She wasn't watching Caylee and Caylee got into the pool and drowned. She freaked out. Terrified of the consequences. She's not the brightest bulb and in her freaking out, she hid the body. She went into complete shock and didn't act appropriately afterwards.

Still not understandable, but I think he might have had a better chance at mercy this way instead of blaming a big conspiracy of her parents, law enforcement, Roy Kronk, experts and anyone else they could think of.

I don't buy it but I think it might have been easier for some to buy that than what they are dishing out.

The Defense can't do that if Casey won't allow them to. They are acting on her behalf, but must act at her behest. Obviously they can balk if she tells them she did it but she wants to say it was an accidental drowning. Attorneys cannot knowingly proffer untruthful evidence or testimony. ETA, this is why attorneys can't accept a plea bargain if their client won't accept it. Attys may know it's the smart move & in their client's best interest, but the client must okay the deal.

I agree with what you said, but I am assuming the Defense was backed into a corner because of what had already gone on in the case & Casey's refusal to accept responsibility.