Casey Anthony NOT GUILTY & Sentencing Thread 6

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I've been listening off and on to HLN today, and I thought I heard JVM say that according to several jurors who have spoken out, they weren't allowed to consider Casey's behavior over the 31 days. :confused3 If that's true, just add it to the list of blunders by this jury. As every day passes, and the jurors speak out more, I am more and more disgusted by the verdict. I'm also sad that the State of Florida couldn't find 12 semi-intelligent people who could actually listen to the evidence (and maybe *gasp* take a few notes), pay attention to JBP's instructions, and carefully go over the evidence before jumping to a conclusion based on incorrect criteria.

*I'm not sure if it was Juror #3, Jennifer Ford, that she mentioned in particular, or Juror #11, the foreman.
 
I've been listening off and on to HLN today, and I thought I heard JVM say that according to several jurors who have spoken out, they weren't allowed to consider Casey's behavior over the 31 days. :confused3 If that's true, just add it to the list of blunders by this jury. As every day passes, and the jurors speak out more, I am more and more disgusted by the verdict. I'm also sad that the State of Florida couldn't find 12 semi-intelligent people who could actually listen to the evidence (and maybe *gasp* take a few notes), pay attention to JBP's instructions, and carefully go over the evidence before jumping to a conclusion based on incorrect criteria.

*I'm not sure if it was Juror #3, Jennifer Ford, that she mentioned in particular, or Juror #11, the foreman.

I take everything JVM and NG say with a healthy dose of skepticism. They are interested in ratings..period. IMO
 
I've been listening off and on to HLN today, and I thought I heard JVM say that according to several jurors who have spoken out, they weren't allowed to consider Casey's behavior over the 31 days. :confused3 If that's true, just add it to the list of blunders by this jury. As every day passes, and the jurors speak out more, I am more and more disgusted by the verdict. I'm also sad that the State of Florida couldn't find 12 semi-intelligent people who could actually listen to the evidence (and maybe *gasp* take a few notes), pay attention to JBP's instructions, and carefully go over the evidence before jumping to a conclusion based on incorrect criteria.

*I'm not sure if it was Juror #3, Jennifer Ford, that she mentioned in particular, or Juror #11, the foreman.

Sort of true, but sort of not....

They were to consider her ACTIONS and they could "infer" that they meant something.

I don't remember how it was considered during trial. I do know that Baez objected on several occasions because he felt the prosecution was discussing character (which I guess would mean behavior, but I am not sure)--and prosecution said that it was to show her actions and lack of doing anything for her daughter or something. Most objections were sustained.

It's been almost 2 months, so I don't quite know how that all worked itself out.

I.e. they could not judge her for being a party girl and that because she was a party girl, she must have murdered her daughter. But what they could do was judge her for PARTYING while her daughter was missing or dead and wow--she must have killed her daughter, because who does that when the child is missing or died on accident.

Probably messed all that up--working solely from memory, so if anyone has corrections or can explain it better--please feel free.:teacher:

But they did what Baez told them. She may be the s-word and a party girl, but that doesn't make her a murderer and you shouldn't convict her.

They should just issue a blanket statement and say they did as Baez instructed. They would at least sound more intelligent than what they sound like now.
 

As a narcissist, she's going to be looking for attention from someplace. She's had her entire legal team fawning over her for 3 years and I'm sure she will love to have them take care of her when she gets out. If she does go out to a club, she had better bring a lot of bodyguards along, because I don't see that ending well for her.

Yes exactly!

Jesse Grund said that Casey now has everything she ever wanted. She is no longer burdened by Caylee, she is no longer tied to her parents, she may soon be wealthy, she is famous, and best of all....she is a winner. She won, she beat us all. So I think she is chomping at the bit to enjoy her notoriety and the Defense team will have a hard time stopping her. :mad:
 
All that info about the 30 days was argued in pre-trial hearings. It was allowed in. It is evidence, that's why it was allowed . If it wasn't, believe me, the judge would not have allowed it.

It could be considered and #3 is talking out of her butt if she says they were not allowed to consider it. ALL evidence is part of the trial, not just smoking guns. I will say this again, if people were only convicted on smoking guns, we wouldnt need juries.

Every time any juror says they needed more, it makes me want to smack them. WHAT MORE? I want more.. I want jurors with common sense and a bit of comprehension abilities willing to do the work to connect the dots!
 
I agree that the chances of her son being the dad are slim to none, BUT she claims that in this conversation her son told her about the baby girl he was having with a girl named "Casey" from FL and her parents "Cindy and George who was a police officer"...

Maybe her memory is a lot like Cindy's - it seems to get better with time! :rotfl: Who knows what the truth is, but she seems to think she could be the grandmother. Highly unlikely, IMO!

It would be nice for the actual father's family to know that Caylee was their son's child, but jmo I fear this lady sounds like she's just another person trying to insert herself in the case. ;) This comment from a poster on another crime board on a story on The Daily Beast about the lady claiming to be the grandmother said:

This lady didn't just start noticing Caylee in May 2011. She has been a member of a Crime Forum since April 2010 where she has, in her own words, dipped in the Caylee case from time to time.
She came into a chat room on the same forum in the past 7-14 days to tell us the inside scoop that she'd just realised that she was Caylee's grandmother and that she thought she should call the prosecution or Jose Baez and that the Anthony's had Caylee's hair on a hairbrush and as her paternal grandmother she had the right to demand the DNA test be done. She planned to match Caylee's DNA to her own.
We questioned the timeline and how she could have so many opinions on the case and be following it for so long before she remembered any of it. Other than her son dying that year in a car accident, it didn't make sense. There was no proof of anything else.
AND ... please keep in mind, she also called the detectives in her area claiming that she'd seen Haleigh Cummings in her doctor's office in MA.

Things that make you go hmmmm


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/28/caylee-anthony-s-daddy-solving-the-riddle.html

This possible grandother was also in an episode of Ghost Hunters:

Thursday, June 21, 2007
When Donna L. MacLean speaks of the past coming to life, she isn't simply quoting a middle school history teacher. For Mrs. MacLean, the past is an everyday presence. It is an uninvited and unwelcome guest.

"It started right after we first bought the house seven years ago," she said, referring to the house on Orchard Hill Drive in Rutland that she shares with her husband, Gerald A. MacLean, and her son, Nicholas VanKleef. "I would feel a presence or I would hear sounds in the basement, but there was never anybody there."

Resting on a calm, suburban side street, the MacLeans' home does not fit the traditional image of a haunted house. Built in 1996, its modern design and trim lawn seem better hosts to a group of playing children than to supernatural phenomena, yet the MacLeans describe occurrences that are, to them, without explanation.

"In the beginning, I didn't really know what to make of it, until there was a time I got slapped on the leg," Mrs. MacLean said. She described sitting in the kitchen with her daughter and husband when she heard and felt the sudden slap.

"And I turned to my husband, who's never hit me, and said `Why did you hit me?'" Neither her husband nor her daughter believed that she had been hit until the next morning, when she awoke with a large bruise.

The MacLeans described a range of odd phenomena in the house, from rooms shaking at the walls and windows to Mrs. MacLean's purse being inexplicably flung across a room, landing at Mr. MacLean's feet. The events became more frequent and more noticeable as time went on, and the fear began to wear on Mrs. MacLean.

"Sometimes there'd be weeks where nothing would happen," Mrs. MacLean explained, "But sometimes it would happen days in a row."

As they became less and less skeptical of what they described as paranormal activity, the MacLeans began to research the supernatural. While searching the Internet for a way to remove ghosts, Mrs. MacLean stumbled upon the Web site of The Atlantic Paranormal Society, commonly known as TAPS, which is known for its paranormal investigations done on the television program "Ghost Hunters."

"I had never seen the show, but I sent them an e-mail describing the situation," she said. The society took an interest in their case and, last October, came to perform a full investigation that was taped for television.

The MacLeans were impressed by the attitude and professionalism of the investigative team.

"It's not like you can open the Yellow Pages and look for something like this," Mr. MacLean said.

Mrs. MacLean described them as understanding regarding the situation, but added, "They try to do everything they can to disprove what you're saying and come up with a good explanation for what happened."

A group of investigators, described by Mr. MacLean as "electricians and plumbers," thoroughly examined the house, searching for possible causes in its structure or construction. Investigators also spent an evening in the house, during which they captured footage of strange phenomena as it was occurring. Although there were some things the team observed that they could explain, other occurrences, such as a faucet turning itself on, eluded their expertise.

To the MacLeans, the conclusions of the investigation, aired during last night's episode of "Ghost Hunters" on the Sci-Fi channel, verified their experience.

"The information we got has made me feel better about it," Mrs. MacLean said last night, but added, "We'll move out eventually."


http://www.syfy.com/ghosthunters/episodes/season/s03/episode/e309/nightmare_noises

Article with photo:

http://www.telegram.com/article/20070621/NEWS/306210014/1008/NEWS02

:surfweb:
 
All that info about the 30 days was argued in pre-trial hearings. It was allowed in. It is evidence, that's why it was allowed . If it wasn't, believe me, the judge would not have allowed it.

It could be considered and #3 is talking out of her butt if she says they were not allowed to consider it. ALL evidence is part of the trial, not just smoking guns. I will say this again, if people were only convicted on smoking guns, we wouldnt need juries.

Every time any juror says they needed more, it makes me want to smack them. WHAT MORE? I want more.. I want jurors with common sense and a bit of comprehension abilities willing to do the work to connect the dots!

I think we are discussing past each other....

Simply a nuance....

They listened to Baez and used his instructions even though his objections were overruled when he tried to address it early on.
 
I think we are discussing past each other....

Simply a nuance....

They listened to Baez and used his instructions even though his objections were overruled when he tried to address it early on.

LOL, I was just expressing my frustrations at Juror #3...and #11 and #2, etc etc
 
I agree - she might change her hair color, dress, etc - but she won't be able to keep a lid onher craziness. I believe she's a sociopath & it's not if she screws up, its when. God willing not another crime of this caliber, but she will screw up again.

Yes exactly!

Jesse Grund said that Casey now has everything she ever wanted. She is no longer burdened by Caylee, she is no longer tied to her parents, she may soon be wealthy, she is famous, and best of all....she is a winner. She won, she beat us all. So I think she is chomping at the bit to enjoy her notoriety and the Defense team will have a hard time stopping her. :mad:
 
I've been listening off and on to HLN today, and I thought I heard JVM say that according to several jurors who have spoken out, they weren't allowed to consider Casey's behavior over the 31 days. :confused3 If that's true, just add it to the list of blunders by this jury. As every day passes, and the jurors speak out more, I am more and more disgusted by the verdict. I'm also sad that the State of Florida couldn't find 12 semi-intelligent people who could actually listen to the evidence (and maybe *gasp* take a few notes), pay attention to JBP's instructions, and carefully go over the evidence before jumping to a conclusion based on incorrect criteria.

I heard juror 11 say today that he wished they had had something else to charge her with, something like not reporting her child missing...

He said it like it was something he had thought of, not something that was started by someone else and is coming to be known as Caylee's Law. That annoyed me.

It would be nice for the actual father's family to know that Caylee was their son's child, but jmo I fear this lady sounds like she's just another person trying to insert herself in the case. ;) This comment from a poster on another crime board on a story on The Daily Beast about the lady claiming to be the grandmother said:

This lady didn't just start noticing Caylee in May 2011. She has been a member of a Crime Forum since April 2010 where she has, in her own words, dipped in the Caylee case from time to time.
She came into a chat room on the same forum in the past 7-14 days to tell us the inside scoop that she'd just realised that she was Caylee's grandmother and that she thought she should call the prosecution or Jose Baez and that the Anthony's had Caylee's hair on a hairbrush and as her paternal grandmother she had the right to demand the DNA test be done. She planned to match Caylee's DNA to her own.
We questioned the timeline and how she could have so many opinions on the case and be following it for so long before she remembered any of it. Other than her son dying that year in a car accident, it didn't make sense. There was no proof of anything else.
AND ... please keep in mind, she also called the detectives in her area claiming that she'd seen Haleigh Cummings in her doctor's office in MA.

Things that make you go hmmmm


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/06/28/caylee-anthony-s-daddy-solving-the-riddle.html

This possible grandother was also in an episode of Ghost Hunters:

:surfweb:

Ooohhhkkkaaayyy....

Sounds like a doozy!
 
John Morgan wants to depose her in jail so she can't skip.

Her attorney may appeal her lying charges so that she can plead the 5th in the civil case deposition situation.
 
Out of curiosity, what would happen if Casey did just what the lawyers in the article suggest; change her appearance, skip town, etc? Would they be able to file any charges against her if she didn't show up for the deposition?

I'm sure they could, if they could find her and figure out her new name, ect. But they want to avoid all that, obviously. I can't imagine the nightmare of tracking her down. Probably wouldn't be worth it, but if a judge orders her to show, and she doesn't, she would have an arrest warrent issued and they probably could get her that way. Oh, and she WILL get in trouble again, disguise or not, but her fingerprints never change!

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, this is JMO on it.
 
I have watched both nights of the interview with the jury foreman. Here's my take.

1. George was combative with Baez.
2. George had selective memory.
3. George wasn't credible.
4. George had something to hide.
5. George probably had an affair with River Cruz
6. George might have covered up an accident.
7. George might have even been the murderer.
8. Scrutinized George at every turn.

CONCLUSION: Hmm. I thought Casey was the defendant. My bad.

1. The jury foreman is very intelligent.
2. Therefore, he was picked immediately to be the foreman.
3. One other juror expressed an interest in being the foreman, but everybody else wanted HIM (I suspicion this was Juror #3).
4. He knows how to read people. That's his job (as a high school coach).
5. There were several jurors that were instrumental in helping him organize things (though, from the sound of him, he could have gone it alone).

CONCLUSION: Pompous know-it-all.

1. After "dissecting" the jury instructions (which must have taken AT LEAST 5 minutes), they had an initial vote on first degree before they got down to business.
2. Two jurors voted guilty. 10 innocent.
3. Of the two, one was strongly convinced it was first degree and the other was wavering.
4. They went ahead and voted on the lying to law enforcement charges because there was no doubt on those, so they could get those out of the way.
5. They voted on manslaughter charges and it was 6 to 6.
6. All of the above took AT LEAST an HOUR.
7. After having paid such close attention during the trial, they then scrutinized the evidence.
8. Even though it took them less than 11 hours, you must understand that they took few breaks.
9. Somehow, the juror who was strongly convinced it was murder one, and then the six who thought manslaughter, all came together and TA DA....agreed there wasn't enough evidence.
10. Even though one might say that they came to this decision quickly, you must understand quantity vs. quality (is that something like quantitative analysis vs. qualitative analysis?)

CONCLUSION: B.S.

1. No one testified that they'd ever seen Casey mistreat Caylee.
2. Saw pictures of Caylee climbing pool ladder.
3. Saw picture of Caylee standing by the sliding glass door.
4. Disturbing that Casey partied for 31 days, but that's it---disturbing. They didn't take that into account in deliberations.
5. Could have been a bag of trash in the trunk instead of "decomp".
6. Cindy might have lied, but they didn't believe chloroform involved anyway, so no big deal.
7. No duct tape attached to bones; only to hair.
8. George, George, George.
9. When prosecution rested, jury foreman was STUNNED!!! He thought: IS THAT IT? IS THAT ALL THEY'VE GOT? I NEED MORE!!!! He (and the rest of his jury minions) needed a lot more evidence than THAT.
10. They took it all VERY SERIOUSLY.

CONCLUSION: MORONS.
 
I have watched both nights of the interview with the jury foreman. Here's my take.

1. George was combative with Baez.
2. George had selective memory.
3. George wasn't credible.
4. George had something to hide.
5. George probably had an affair with River Cruz
6. George might have covered up an accident.
7. George might have even been the murderer.
8. Scrutinized George at every turn.

CONCLUSION: Hmm. I thought Casey was the defendant. My bad.

1. The jury foreman is very intelligent.
2. Therefore, he was picked immediately to be the foreman.
3. One other juror expressed an interest in being the foreman, but everybody else wanted HIM (I suspicion this was Juror #3).
4. He knows how to read people. That's his job (as a high school coach).
5. There were several jurors that were instrumental in helping him organize things (though, from the sound of him, he could have gone it alone).

CONCLUSION: Pompous know-it-all.

1. After "dissecting" the jury instructions (which must have taken AT LEAST 5 minutes), they had an initial vote on first degree before they got down to business.
2. Two jurors voted guilty. 10 innocent.
3. Of the two, one was strongly convinced it was first degree and the other was wavering.
4. They went ahead and voted on the lying to law enforcement charges because there was no doubt on those, so they could get those out of the way.
5. They voted on manslaughter charges and it was 6 to 6.
6. All of the above took AT LEAST an HOUR.
7. After having paid such close attention during the trial, they then scrutinized the evidence.
8. Even though it took them less than 11 hours, you must understand that they took few breaks.
9. Somehow, the juror who was strongly convinced it was murder one, and then the six who thought manslaughter, all came together and TA DA....agreed there wasn't enough evidence.
10. Even though one might say that they came to this decision quickly, you must understand quantity vs. quality (is that something like quantitative analysis vs. qualitative analysis?)

CONCLUSION: B.S.

1. No one testified that they'd ever seen Casey mistreat Caylee.
2. Saw pictures of Caylee climbing pool ladder.
3. Saw picture of Caylee standing by the sliding glass door.
4. Disturbing that Casey partied for 31 days, but that's it---disturbing. They didn't take that into account in deliberations.
5. Could have been a bag of trash in the trunk instead of "decomp".
6. Cindy might have lied, but they didn't believe chloroform involved anyway, so no big deal.
7. No duct tape attached to bones; only to hair.
8. George, George, George.
9. When prosecution rested, jury foreman was STUNNED!!! He thought: IS THAT IT? IS THAT ALL THEY'VE GOT? I NEED MORE!!!! He (and the rest of his jury minions) needed a lot more evidence than THAT.
10. They took it all VERY SERIOUSLY.

CONCLUSION: MORONS.

:thumbsup2 EXACTLY!!!
 
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