Cases rising or dropping by you?

[RamblingMad]

SLC numbers going up makes perfect sense to me. I flew through there last August, and the airport was packed as if a pandemic wasn’t happening. I’m not surprised their numbers are going up. Hopefully, they can mitigate it. They are one of the outliers given much of the increase is in colder, northern states.

 

[Jrb1979]

Here in Ontario Canada we just set a record for new cases in one day at 700. 2 weeks ago we were down to 120 a day. The scary part is the majority of those cases are from people under 40. I say scary cause most of them refuse to help with contact tracing. Many that test positive refuse to say where they've been or who they were with. That IMO helps no one in making things better. I won't be surprised when our cases hit 1000 soon.

 

[JimMIA]

Here's another great example of why we need to watch positivity rates. This quote is from one of our very reliable local news sources -- the one that typically presents the best Covid coverage:

"Florida’s coronavirus dashboard shows 738 new cases of COVID-19 on Monday along with five more residents’ deaths, the lowest daily increases the state has seen in months...

"Florida’s statewide positivity rate from yesterday’s testing was 4.23%. Monday was the first time since early June the state announced fewer than 1,000 cases in a day."

But hold on a second! That little number there -- 4.23%, what does that mean? It is, in fact, right in the same range as we've had the last couple of weeks, so what does it mean?

It means the new case reports dropped dramatically because the number of test reports is a fraction of what we've been having. It's an anomaly -- not a trend.

Here's the real picture. The average number of tests reported the previous 13 days was 56,430 per day. Yesterday, there were only 18, 410 test reports.

 

[soccerdad72]

For the first time in quite a while, Ohio's daily new positives dipped below 1,000 per day on a 21-day average (under 3% positivity as well).

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Here in Ontario Canada we just set a record for new cases in one day at 700. 2 weeks ago we were down to 120 a day. The scary part is the majority of those cases are from people under 40. I say scary cause most of them refuse to help with contact tracing. Many that test positive refuse to say where they've been or who they were with. That IMO helps no one in making things better. I won't be surprised when our cases hit 1000 soon.

I don’t mean this as snarky as I’m afraid it’s coming across, but it’s interesting to me that over the summer it was very much how the US was doing it wrong and should follow the lead of Ontario and now Ontario is doing the same exact thing. I don’t defend the US response, but it’s shocking to me that other countries didn’t see or care about the example already set. I guess human nature is real regardless of where you live!

I hope the numbers there get better soon! ❤

 

[EACarlson]

Yikes! Just saw this article. Didn’t realize things were “that” bad.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/some-midwestern-states-25-positive-test-rates-report

One thing I will point out is that the positivity rate posted for WI isn't as high as reported. The absolute number is probably correct and obviously quite high. But there are two things, a couple of labs have a history of not sending over negative results on a weekend, those usually wait unit Monday. And the state does not count as a test, any person that has previously had a COVID test. So without that number we don't know the actual positivity rate. I know there are many people especially now that have been tested multiple times. Today was announced with 2,155 cases, 10% of which were in Outagamie County, the next one north of me, not exactly a major metro county. Reported rate of 21.9%

 

[Jrb1979]

I don’t mean this as snarky as I’m afraid it’s coming across, but it’s interesting to me that over the summer it was very much how the US was doing it wrong and should follow the lead of Ontario and now Ontario is doing the same exact thing. I don’t defend the US response, but it’s shocking to me that other countries didn’t see or care about the example already set. I guess human nature is real regardless of where you live!

I hope the numbers there get better soon! ❤

The thing is here the mask mandates are working as very few cases are from public settings. The majority are spreading within private homes. Our main reason for the rise in cases is the 20 to 40 year olds just don't care. The biggest issue is many won't help with contact tracing. They test positive and refuse to say the places they have been.

 

[Pyotr]

Cases have been very low lately. Let’s see how phase 3 pans out. It doesn’t change my behavior as I don’t go out to eat anyways. Mask compliance has lessened. I went to Publix yesterday and today (I always forget stuff) and there were many people not wearing masks even though there is a mandate. I don’t really care and no one said anything to them either day.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

The thing is here the mask mandates are working as very few cases are from public settings. The majority are spreading within private homes. Our main reason for the rise in cases is the 20 to 40 year olds just don't care. The biggest issue is many won't help with contact tracing. They test positive and refuse to say the places they have been.

It is actually the same in CA (minus maybe the contract tracing as I don’t know about that here). Our cases aren’t from community spread, but from get togethers/parties in homes.

My point was more that while it appeared Canada and Europe had a better handle on this, in the end human nature is the same everywhere and the rise in cases in both proves that. The fact that much of the US hasn’t caught on still astounds me.

But much like FL (and CA, AZ & TX) got so much heat for not learning from NY, the same could be said for Canada (or Ontario at least) now. The US has already shown that is how most cases get spread. It’s not an attack on any state, province or country - just an observation of the hypocrisy on the attacks on some states (and the US as a whole) over the summer.

 

[EACarlson]

Yikes! Just saw this article. Didn’t realize things were “that” bad.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/some-midwestern-states-25-positive-test-rates-report

One thing I will point out is that the positivity rate posted for WI isn't as high as reported. The absolute number is probably correct and obviously quite high. But there are two things, a couple of labs have a history of not sending over negative results on a weekend, those usually wait unit Monday. And the state does not count as a test, any person that has previously had a COVID test. So without that number we don't know the actual positivity rate. I know there are many people especially now that have been tested multiple times. Today was announced with 2,155 cases, 10% of which were in Outagamie County, the next one north of me, not exactly a major metro county. Reported rate of 21.9%

And yesterday the state added a section that includes the raw numbers and a rolling 7 day average actual positivity rate. While the reported 7 day positivity rate is 21.71% the actual positivity rate including all tests is 9.3% I wonder which number the mayor of Chicago and the Governors of NY, NJ and CT will use for their travel bans.

https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/covid-19/data.htm#encounter

 

[Brett Wyman]

Cases have been very low lately. Let’s see how phase 3 pans out. It doesn’t change my behavior as I don’t go out to eat anyways. Mask compliance has lessened. I went to Publix yesterday and today (I always forget stuff) and there were many people not wearing masks even though there is a mandate. I don’t really care and no one said anything to them either day.

This is why why we Instacart or Amazon Fresh only. Even with mask mandates some people just don't follow rules in our country. Our state had a few weeks at "green" but it seems to be heading back to "yellow" now.

 

[Jim Libasci]

And yesterday the state added a section that includes the raw numbers and a rolling 7 day average actual positivity rate. While the reported 7 day positivity rate is 21.71% the actual positivity rate including all tests is 9.3% I wonder which number the mayor of Chicago and the Governors of NY, NJ and CT will use for their travel bans.

https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/covid-19/data.htm#encounter

I'm right over the border from WI in IL and I've had my own self imposed travel ban to WI. I think the neighboring cities to me are pretty bad and my Mom was in rehab for most of the Covid so I know what the local nursing homes have been like. I don't go anywhere I don't have to and when I do I mask it.

 

[disneychrista]

Number of active cases and positivity continues on an upward trend. My county must really like the color purple.

 

[Pyotr]

I'm right over the border from WI in IL and I've had my own self imposed travel ban to WI. I think the neighboring cities to me are pretty bad and my Mom was in rehab for most of the Covid so I know what the local nursing homes have been like. I don't go anywhere I don't have to and when I do I mask it.

Wisconsin has a weird way of reporting. They only count the first test unless the status changes. For example, is someone tested in March and it was negative, any test after that won’t be counted until that person tests positive. So I wouldn’t get too caught up in their positivity percentage.

That being said, it’s going through my family in Wisconsin pretty bad. My uncle, who lives in Crivitz, which in the middle of nowhere, had it and he was extremely ill. So even rural areas are not safe from the corona.

 

[disneychrista]

So even rural areas are not safe from the corona.

My rural county in Northern California is has worse case numbers than SF and other large bay area counties.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Looks like NYC is slipping....

From what I was reading shut downs will occur if given approval, increased testing deployed to trouble spots.

 

[Kitty 34]

I don't understand why Michigan numbers go up at an alarming rate (including 10 to 15 deaths daily!!) when we as Michiganders can't really do anything without wearing a mask and following protocol that wasn't even in place when we first "shut down". Very very weird and sad. I can't imagine what it would be like here if we were more open as other states??

 

[Colleen27]

I don't understand why Michigan numbers go up at an alarming rate (including 10 to 15 deaths daily!!) when we as Michiganders can't really do anything without wearing a mask and following protocol that wasn't even in place when we first "shut down". Very very weird and sad. I can't imagine what it would be like here if we were more open as other states??

Pretty much everything is open here to some degree, except movie theatres and a few other entertainment venues that open this weekend. But the vast majority of our new cases are related to colleges at this point.

I think things are going to get ugly, quickly, though, following the state supreme court ruling. For months I've seen very few people in stores without masks, but this weekend it has been more like 50/50 and there are a ton of calls to "demand" local businesses take down their masks-required signs and encouraging people to "throw off the masks" in "celebration" of the court ruling. So unless Whitmer finds another way to impose an enforceable order, I think we're heading into a Wisconsin/Dakotas situation where people will just pretend the pandemic is over and spread the virus all over the place.

 

[JimMIA]

Pretty much everything is open here to some degree, except movie theatres and a few other entertainment venues that open this weekend. But the vast majority of our new cases are related to colleges at this point.

I think things are going to get ugly, quickly, though, following the state supreme court ruling. For months I've seen very few people in stores without masks, but this weekend it has been more like 50/50 and there are a ton of calls to "demand" local businesses take down their masks-required signs and encouraging people to "throw off the masks" in "celebration" of the court ruling. So unless Whitmer finds another way to impose an enforceable order, I think we're heading into a Wisconsin/Dakotas situation where people will just pretend the pandemic is over and spread the virus all over the place.

Is there some reason why your local cities and counties don't set some requirements?

Florida and Michigan have a few similarities, and one of them is that some parts of our states are vastly different from other parts. We never had a statewide mask mandate per se, although we do have some statewide shutdown/reopening standards (with county by county application).

In my county, we are in a reopening phase and even our bars are now open. But we have a countywide mask policy in place, and businesses support it for the most part. When I go to Publix, there are mask-mandatory signs. Every employee is masked, and the policy for customers is strictly enforced -- no mask, no entry...period. Costco is the same. People are also very conscious of social-distancing, and even though restaurants and bars are open, many are not going out. We're certainly not.

 

[Colleen27]

Is there some reason why your local cities and counties don't set some requirements?

Florida and Michigan have a few similarities, and one of them is that some parts of our states are vastly different from other parts. We never had a statewide mask mandate per se, although we do have some statewide shutdown/reopening standards (with county by county application).

In my county, we are in a reopening phase and even our bars are now open. But we have a countywide mask policy in place, and businesses support it for the most part. When I go to Publix, there are mask-mandatory signs. Every employee is masked, and the policy for customers is strictly enforced -- no mask, no entry...period. Costco is the same. People are also very conscious of social-distancing, and even though restaurants and bars are open, many are not going out. We're certainly not.

Yes, but talking about it would violate board rules. I expect that 4 or 5 of our most highly populated counties will do so, but the culture in the other 70-some will prevent any action on the local level.

I hope that businesses will mostly stand firm, particularly the big chains. Small businesses will likely reflect the character of their local communities, which is to say that most are owned by people unsupportive of pandemic precautions and who will likely choose to end them as soon as it becomes certain that they can do so without legal consequences. And because of where I live, I've already come to the conclusion that I'm going to have to go back to living as though most things were still closed because in my community, I haven't seen a single man in a mask in two days now - not at the grocery, not at the gas station (where an unmasked man was arguing with a masked employee that she should take hers off as well), not at the at the drugstore. For most of the summer, compliance was mostly good and I'd gone back to mostly normal habits as far as shopping and dining, though I was sticking to restaurants with outdoor seating. Now I feel like it is time to go back to drive thru and curbside and delivery as much as possible, because anywhere open to the public is likely to have at best a mix of people who are and are not masking and observing social distancing.