Cases rising or dropping by you?

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

I read that 1 million people travelled by air on Friday.

The real tell will come the Sunday after Thanksgiving. They all trickle in. But the vast majority of them go back the same day.

 

[monsterkitty]

This is so frustrating. My kids think I’m a crazy person because I won’t let them go to these things. Some don’t even attempt to keep the gatherings small. It’s creating a lot of friction and depression in our house because they are feeling excluded. It is also the source of so much need for quarantine of classmates. It’s not spreading at school. It’s spreading at these get togethers outside of school. It seems so many around us are living normal lives and traveling. Even I’m questioning if I’m being too locked down. I feel like I keep being the cheerleader to boost their mood and get them to do things together. Lots of hikes. It’s so hard to keep 3 teen girls from their friend groups! Especially when they are all still having sleepovers etc. I wish some would limit the gatherings to a bubble of just the same few so they could be together but I can’t justify the large groups.

It is spreading in schools. I literally know students and teachers who only go to school and go home who have come down with COIVD. I have two former students who live with their great grandparents. Both girls only go to school and come home. Both showed their first symptoms a few days into the last quarantine at the high school. Grandma went into ICU on Nov 13, about 10 days after the girls brought it home from school. She died this morning. Grandpa is still in ICU.

Please continue to not allow your DD's to go to sleepovers and get togethers. Both of my former students are currently blaming themselves for their grandparents.

 

[SaintsManiac]

It is spreading in schools. I literally know students and teachers who only go to school and go home who have come down with COIVD. I have two former students who live with their great grandparents. Both girls only go to school and come home. Both showed their first symptoms a few days into the last quarantine at the high school. Grandma went into ICU on Nov 13, about 10 days after the girls brought it home from school. She died this morning. Grandpa is still in ICU.

Please continue to not allow your DD's to go to sleepovers and get togethers. Both of my former students are currently blaming themselves for their grandparents.

Yes it's spreading in schools, because many of the kids are doing outside activities and going on trips and everything else without quarantining. Teachers here had a dinner party and got half a school put into quarantine. I just know that many children will be at my daughter's school on November 30th after having huge holiday gatherings. If she's going to get it, it's going to be that week.

 

[SaintsManiac]

This is so frustrating. My kids think I’m a crazy person because I won’t let them go to these things. Some don’t even attempt to keep the gatherings small. It’s creating a lot of friction and depression in our house because they are feeling excluded. It is also the source of so much need for quarantine of classmates. It’s not spreading at school. It’s spreading at these get togethers outside of school. It seems so many around us are living normal lives and traveling. Even I’m questioning if I’m being too locked down. I feel like I keep being the cheerleader to boost their mood and get them to do things together. Lots of hikes. It’s so hard to keep 3 teen girls from their friend groups! Especially when they are all still having sleepovers etc. I wish some would limit the gatherings to a bubble of just the same few so they could be together but I can’t justify the large groups.

Follow your gut. My daughter is calling me "crazy covid mom" because I was so worried about her going to a Girl Scout meeting. The leader was very strict, thankfully, or I would not have let her go. I'm not letting her attend one in December. I just don't trust the other parents.

 

[monsterkitty]

Yes it's spreading in schools, because many of the kids are doing outside activities and going on trips and everything else without quarantining. Teachers here had a dinner party and got half a school put into quarantine. I just know that many children will be at my daughter's school on November 30th after having huge holiday gatherings. If she's going to get it, it's going to be that week.

That's just crazy! What the heck were they thinking?!

In my district we are not even allowed to eat lunch with another staff member and no carpooling. Yes, DH and I work at the same school as do another couple in our school and none of us can eat lunch with our spouse. They are at least letting us carpool.

 

[pxidst119]

It is spreading in schools. I literally know students and teachers who only go to school and go home who have come down with COIVD. I have two former students who live with their great grandparents. Both girls only go to school and come home. Both showed their first symptoms a few days into the last quarantine at the high school. Grandma went into ICU on Nov 13, about 10 days after the girls brought it home from school. She died this morning. Grandpa is still in ICU.

Please continue to not allow your DD's to go to sleepovers and get togethers. Both of my former students are currently blaming themselves for their grandparents.

I should have been more clear by saying that it’s spreading more at outside of school gatherings than at school and not that it’s not spreading at school. Most of the emails we have received from the school district specify that most cases are traced back to a social gathering outside of school. But it can spread anywhere, inside and outside of school.

 

[Colleen27]

I should have been more clear by saying that it’s spreading more at outside of school gatherings than at school and not that it’s not spreading at school. Most of the emails we have received from the school district specify that most cases are traced back to a social gathering outside of school. But it can spread anywhere, inside and outside of school.

True, but in schools, enforcement of covid precautions is better than just about anywhere else in our country right now, which is why most experts are saying actual in-school spread (as opposed to after-school socializing, sports, carpooling) is very minimal. School is pretty much the only place in my community where you see 100% mask compliance and people being corrected if they try to wear theirs under their nose. Everywhere else, no masks and improperly worn masks is normal.

My daughter's middle school still hasn't had any cases, but the affiliated high school where she takes one class each day has. The first several were students who caught it at home and didn't spread it, and the only identified cluster connected to the school, where contact tracing suggested that one student caught it from another, was two girls who ride in together every morning and by their own admission, stop for coffee so they don't wear masks for the drive. From what I've been reading, that's pretty typical for the state of things in schools right now... which was part of the logic in closing high schools, where clusters are being traced to shared rides, extracurriculars, and socialization that would be reduced or ended by suspending school, while K-8 is still allowed to be in person.

 

[Ariel484]

That is interesting. I hope it is not that high. It does sound like we are close.

My work just went back to fully remote. We were only going in once a week before. Our school district is fully remote next week but that is it right now. Numbers were not updated today on our dash board and I am thinking a full remote until January is going happen.

I've been very lucky to be able to work fully remotely since St. Patrick's Day. My husband is a high school teacher and they are going back to 100% remote starting today and through the end of the calendar year. Not sure what will happen after that.

 

[GreatLakes]

Our Governor just held a press conference and let us know that the Cleveland Clinic has almost 1,000 employees out due to Covid. They are starting to move staff around and may have to start limiting elective procedures.

It is bleak and another reason we are happy we fully cancelled all family meetings for Thanksgiving and Christmas. For every person you invite over for dinner you might as well invite over every person they have seen in the past 14 days. We are headed towards a more restrictive shut down than we had in the spring with all the selfish people that continue to travel and get together with friends and family.

Some "highlights" from the press conference:

• The state reported 11,885 new cases, which does include a backlog of Mercy Health and Cleveland Clinic. “This may be artificially high,” DeWine said referring to the daily case total.
• There are 4,358 patients are currently hospitalized in Ohio and 1,079 patients in the ICU. Two months ago there were about 600 hospitalized in the state.
• DeWine said he will be meeting with the White House later this afternoon to discuss and get an update on vaccine distribution.
• Dr. Richard Lofgren with UC Health spoke about the hospitalizations in the Dayton and Cincinnati region. He said they are limiting non-emergent services that may require a hospital stay to help assist with demand for care.
• Lofgren said nearly half of the hospitals in the Dayton and Cincinnati region are reporting nursing shortages. In addition to shortages, Lofgren said they are concerned about burnout. Lofgren said the “surge is here.”
• The Cleveland Clinic had 970 caregivers out among its health system, something echoed by other health systems as well, said Dr. Robert Wyllie from the Cleveland Clinic.
• Wyllie said they have worked at Cleveland Clinic to transition some workers that traditionally handle elective surgeries back into the hospital and ICU areas to assist in caring for patients.
• Wyllie said the state will likely see any cases that require hospitalization stemming from Thanksgiving gatherings to show up in about two weeks.
• In Central Ohio, hospitalizations have more than doubled in just three weeks, sitting now just under 1,000 hospitalizations, according to Dr. Andy Thomas from Ohio State University’s Wexner Medical Center.
• Thomas said every hospital system in the state is going to have to make tough decisions when it comes to staffing and elective surgeries.

Source

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Our Governor just held a press conference and let us know that the Cleveland Clinic has almost 1,000 employees out due to Covid. They are starting to move staff around and may have to start limiting elective procedures.

It is bleak and another reason we are happy we fully cancelled all family meetings for Thanksgiving and Christmas. For every person you invite over for dinner you might as well invite over every person they have seen in the past 14 days. We are headed towards a more restrictive shut down than we had in the spring with all the selfish people that continue to travel and get together with friends and family.

Some "highlights" from the press conference:

• The state reported 11,885 new cases, which does include a backlog of Mercy Health and Cleveland Clinic. “This may be artificially high,” DeWine said referring to the daily case total.
• There are 4,358 patients are currently hospitalized in Ohio and 1,079 patients in the ICU. Two months ago there were about 600 hospitalized in the state.
• DeWine said he will be meeting with the White House later this afternoon to discuss and get an update on vaccine distribution.
• Dr. Richard Lofgren with UC Health spoke about the hospitalizations in the Dayton and Cincinnati region. He said they are limiting non-emergent services that may require a hospital stay to help assist with demand for care.
• Lofgren said nearly half of the hospitals in the Dayton and Cincinnati region are reporting nursing shortages. In addition to shortages, Lofgren said they are concerned about burnout. Lofgren said the “surge is here.”
• The Cleveland Clinic had 970 caregivers out among its health system, something echoed by other health systems as well, said Dr. Robert Wyllie from the Cleveland Clinic.
• Wyllie said they have worked at Cleveland Clinic to transition some workers that traditionally handle elective surgeries back into the hospital and ICU areas to assist in caring for patients.
• Wyllie said the state will likely see any cases that require hospitalization stemming from Thanksgiving gatherings to show up in about two weeks.
• In Central Ohio, hospitalizations have more than doubled in just three weeks, sitting now just under 1,000 hospitalizations, according to Dr. Andy Thomas from Ohio State University’s Wexner Medical Center.
• Thomas said every hospital system in the state is going to have to make tough decisions when it comes to staffing and elective surgeries.

Source

From what I read the Cleveland Clinic has more than 50,000 employees. The 970 (I think it was listed as 925 a few days ago) represents the caregivers. From what I also read it's community spread that is largely responsible for that.

 

[ORD2KOA]

Orlando Airport was the second busiest in the country this weekend. People are really just nuts, but nobody's stopping them. Mayors of Orlando and Orange County are saying don't travel, stay home, don't have big gatherings..................but Orlando Mayor also said since so many people are coming here, he thinks the protocols at Universal and WDW are safe places to be. But as I mentioned months ago, I don't think anybody is doing tracing here, so how do they know?

 

[mrs. magoo]

Well here in Western New York we have some zip codes now coded as orange. That means that schools can only stay open if they continue to test 25% of the population but here is proof that kids are not getting it in schools - out of the 782 test preformed in my district there were 0 positives. In a neighboring district 843 tests and 1 positive. Our schools are very strict on mask and social distancing policies so very little spread while in school. Out of school is a different story. The terrible thing about it is restaurants, nail salons, hair dressers in the zip code have to shut down while someone literally the next street over can stay open. The restaurants can continue to have take out or outdoor dining (not many people willing to sit outdoors in 30 degree weather).
On another note I was reading about people saying its only one Thanksgiving while others are stating that they may not have another Thanksgiving or Christmas with a family member. My mother died in 1991 from colon cancer. She was relatively healthy at both Thanksgiving and Christmas that year and was dead by April. She would have chosen to celebrate those holidays with us rather than alone or on zoom (I can't tell you how much I hate zoom). My mother in law died from cancer in January 1993 and the same can be said about her. She was relatively healthy at Thanksgiving and even Christmas just went downhill quickly after the first of the year.
So while I see both sides of the argument I believe that it should be left up to individual families to make the decision.

 

[Jim Libasci]

Orlando Airport was the second busiest in the country this weekend. People are really just nuts, but nobody's stopping them. Mayors of Orlando and Orange County are saying don't travel, stay home, don't have big gatherings..................but Orlando Mayor also said since so many people are coming here, he thinks the protocols at Universal and WDW are safe places to be. But as I mentioned months ago, I don't think anybody is doing tracing here, so how do they know?

They don't know, they are just trying to get people to come down and spend money. I'm in Northern Illinois. This will be our first Thanksgiving alone. We will keep our heads down and our masks on when we go out.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Orlando Airport was the second busiest in the country this weekend. People are really just nuts, but nobody's stopping them. Mayors of Orlando and Orange County are saying don't travel, stay home, don't have big gatherings..................but Orlando Mayor also said since so many people are coming here, he thinks the protocols at Universal and WDW are safe places to be. But as I mentioned months ago, I don't think anybody is doing tracing here, so how do they know?

Most states have given up on contact tracing at this point. I would just assume, at this point, any public place that you go is likely to have a COVID-positive person walking around. I did a big shop last week to avoid the crowds in stores this week, but needed to pick up a few small items. I went over to my butcher's shop because he had the items I needed as he stocks a small amount of groceries. I opened the door and it was packed with people picking up turkeys for Thanksgiving. No thanks, I'll go early this morning when nobody else is there.

AAA has said that they expect 47 million people to travel this weekend, about a 10% drop from 2019. I also read that airlines were being inundated with last minute cancellations, so let's hope some people who are planning to travel by car and by train are doing the same...cancelling.

 

[goodeats]

Orlando Airport was the second busiest in the country this weekend. People are really just nuts, but nobody's stopping them. Mayors of Orlando and Orange County are saying don't travel, stay home, don't have big gatherings..................but Orlando Mayor also said since so many people are coming here, he thinks the protocols at Universal and WDW are safe places to be. But as I mentioned months ago, I don't think anybody is doing tracing here, so how do they know?

There's no way to know where anyone got the virus. I flew to MCO from CA on 11/3 and came back 11/10. The varying time from exposure to symptoms (2 through up to 14 days) makes it impossible to tell. If I came down with symptoms when I got home it could have been from Disney or the airports or just as easily from someone at home before I even left CA. FWIW, I have had no symptoms. I debated getting tested a few days after I got back for peace of mind, but decided against since I'm not seeing any elderly relatives.

 

[DeeBee3]

They don't need all those measures. They have Oleander and bleach.

This has been debunked and can be dangerous to continue spouting.

"His comments came after William Bryan, the undersecretary for science and technology at the Department of Homeland Security, presented a study that found sun exposure and cleaning agents like bleach can kill the virus when it lingers on surfaces.
Trump remarked on the effectiveness of those methods and wondered if they could help address infections in the human body.
Sources

C-SPAN, “President Trump with Coronavirus Task Force Briefing,” April 23, 2020
PolitiFact, “In Context: What Donald Trump said about disinfectant, sun and coronavirus,” April 24, 2020
RB, “Improper use of Disinfectants,” April 2020
Rev, “Donald Trump Coronavirus Press Conference Transcript April 23,” April 23, 2020
TV Eyes, accessed April 24, 2020

Here are his full comments:
“A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. (To Bryan) And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting, right?”

 

[hsmamato2]

Most states have given up on contact tracing at this point. I would just assume, at this point, any public place that you go is likely to have a COVID-positive person walking around. I did a big shop last week to avoid the crowds in stores this week, but needed to pick up a few small items. I went over to my butcher's shop because he had the items I needed as he stocks a small amount of groceries. I opened the door and it was packed with people picking up turkeys for Thanksgiving. No thanks, I'll go early this morning when nobody else is there.

AAA has said that they expect 47 million people to travel this weekend, about a 10% drop from 2019. I also read that airlines were being inundated with last minute cancellations, so let's hope some people who are planning to travel by car and by train are doing the same...cancelling.

Yes. At this point, it's to be expected. In my state last week our case numbers 3 out of every 10 people is positive. I had to go to DMV for an appt yesterday. I thought about those numbers while waiting to get in. It was well done,spaced out,masks etc. However I thought about the (probably) 50 people inside waiting also- that means that at least (average) 15 of my fellow waiters are positive.
Now just imagine those numbers on a nationwide scale (and some states are in worse shape than mine) *all* traveling about the country to rest stops,stores,hotels,theme park resorts etc. this week. Logic dictates what is bound to occur. If I chose to fly to WDW this weekend, along with 9 others from my state....that means (again,averaged) 3 of us are positive. What happens when all 10 of us stay in a hotel with folks from (pick a state,any state)??? Again,logic. Saying this makes me so,so sad in so many ways.

 

[lifesavacation]

Yes. At this point, it's to be expected. In my state last week our case numbers 3 out of every 10 people is positive. I had to go to DMV for an appt yesterday. I thought about those numbers while waiting to get in. It was well done,spaced out,masks etc. However I thought about the (probably) 50 people inside waiting also- that means that at least (average) 15 of my fellow waiters are positive.
Now just imagine those numbers on a nationwide scale (and some states are in worse shape than mine) *all* traveling about the country to rest stops,stores,hotels,theme park resorts etc. this week. Logic dictates what is bound to occur. If I chose to fly to WDW this weekend, along with 9 others from my state....that means (again,averaged) 3 of us are positive. What happens when all 10 of us stay in a hotel with folks from (pick a state,any state)??? Again,logic. Saying this makes me so,so sad in so many ways.

I’ve really been trying to get my teen to think of COVID in terms of statistics like this. For every 10 people in my county right now, there’s a 14% chance that one of them will have COVID.

https://covid19risk.biosci.gatech.edu/

 

[disneypharm]

Interesting video on how Asia contained Covid-19.

 

[ORD2KOA]

This has been debunked and can be dangerous to continue spouting.

I think Cannot_wait_4_Disney was making a joke.